Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
There are a couple of pieces of baffling that might not be readily available foran engine run. The pieces that mount to the side of the block aft of the cylinderscome to mind. If the cylinder heads are stock (without the welded ontube facing aft, there are adapters available, or there were when I ran mine.As Bob said, pretty much every thing else is easy to come by at the CC.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Pietenpol-List: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
I have a question for you builders and owners of Piets that are without a Flop.I have read plenty of discussion over Flop versus cutout. But I have not readmuch from the "Non-Floppers".I am currently building my center section according to the 3-piece plans. Thoseplans do not show a Flop, so my question is this-To those of you flying without a Flop OR Cutout, do you wish you had it, or isit not a big deal? I know that people believe it makes/or will make it easierto ingress or egress the cockpit, but I also know many people add an inch or twoto the stock cabane length. Does that lessen the need for a Flop? What say ye? Your thoughts? Thanks!--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I have a question for you builders and owners of Piets that are without a Flop.I have read plenty of discussion over Flop versus cutout. But I have not readmuch from the "Non-Floppers".I am currently building my center section according to the 3-piece plans. Thoseplans do not show a Flop, so my question is this-To those of you flying without a Flop OR Cutout, do you wish you had it, or isit not a big deal? I know that people believe it makes/or will make it easierto ingress or egress the cockpit, but I also know many people add an inch or twoto the stock cabane length. Does that lessen the need for a Flop? What say ye? Your thoughts? Thanks!--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I have a cutout in my centersection and really like the ease ofingress/egress for the rear cockpit. My centersection is 6" wider thanplans, which adds exactly as much wing area as my cutout removed (not thatthis really means anything). I also like the improved visibility in a turnwhich the cutout provides, something a flop will not do.I've flown Piets without a flop or cutout (John Hofmann's N502R comes tomind) and find it very difficult to slide my 6'2" frame into the rearcockpit under that wing.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
I have a cutout in my centersection and really like the ease ofingress/egress for the rear cockpit. My centersection is 6" wider thanplans, which adds exactly as much wing area as my cutout removed (not thatthis really means anything). I also like the improved visibility in a turnwhich the cutout provides, something a flop will not do.I've flown Piets without a flop or cutout (John Hofmann's N502R comes tomind) and find it very difficult to slide my 6'2" frame into the rearcockpit under that wing.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I agree with Jack on that one. My cutout is not much and I find it difficult toget in and out. If I had a choice I would add a flop.Best,-john-John HofmannVice-President, IT and ProductionThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Nov 22, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:> > I have a cutout in my centersection and really like the ease of> ingress/egress for the rear cockpit. My centersection is 6" wider than> plans, which adds exactly as much wing area as my cutout removed (not that> this really means anything). I also like the improved visibility in a turn> which the cutout provides, something a flop will not do.> > I've flown Piets without a flop or cutout (John Hofmann's N502R comes to> mind) and find it very difficult to slide my 6'2" frame into the rear> cockpit under that wing.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
I agree with Jack on that one. My cutout is not much and I find it difficult toget in and out. If I had a choice I would add a flop.Best,-john-John HofmannVice-President, IT and ProductionThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Nov 22, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:> > I have a cutout in my centersection and really like the ease of> ingress/egress for the rear cockpit. My centersection is 6" wider than> plans, which adds exactly as much wing area as my cutout removed (not that> this really means anything). I also like the improved visibility in a turn> which the cutout provides, something a flop will not do.> > I've flown Piets without a flop or cutout (John Hofmann's N502R comes to> mind) and find it very difficult to slide my 6'2" frame into the rear> cockpit under that wing.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Very nice Paul! Adds a very nice vintage/classic flavor with no extraweight.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Very nice Paul! Adds a very nice vintage/classic flavor with no extraweight.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
I like the simplicity of not having one. No cutout, no flop. It's all in thetechnique of getting in and out. I'm about 6'3" and I've never felt the needfor one. In fact I've flown a few that have them and it almost seemed awkwardto get in and out but that's only because I'm used to the other way. It's reallyjust a matter of what you like. :-)Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 17:28:43 +0000 (UTC)
I like the simplicity of not having one. No cutout, no flop. It's all in thetechnique of getting in and out. I'm about 6'3" and I've never felt the needfor one. In fact I've flown a few that have them and it almost seemed awkwardto get in and out but that's only because I'm used to the other way. It's reallyjust a matter of what you like. :-)Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 17:28:43 +0000 (UTC)
Re: Pietenpol-List: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Original Posted By: jarheadpilot82
Flop. Without question. Because it's in the F&G plans, and it makes it much easier to get in and out. Plus....it's cool to have one :O)Dan HelsperPuryear TN-----Original Message-----
Flop. Without question. Because it's in the F&G plans, and it makes it much easier to get in and out. Plus....it's cool to have one :O)Dan HelsperPuryear TN-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Maybe so. Now. Just remember, every day you are alittle older. One day you get up in the morning, abeautiful flying morning, you don't go. It's just toohard to get in and out of your flopless creation. Partsof your body just hurt to bend that much anymore. :-)ClifLife is uncertain. Eat dessert first.----- Original Message -----
Maybe so. Now. Just remember, every day you are alittle older. One day you get up in the morning, abeautiful flying morning, you don't go. It's just toohard to get in and out of your flopless creation. Partsof your body just hurt to bend that much anymore. :-)ClifLife is uncertain. Eat dessert first.----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
IF you build a flop in the wing, it is a very good idea to let it protrudeinto the wing root on the side you like to "mount" from. This way, whenit's open, there is more of a "hole" for your head. I personally like my flop for the reasons Dan mentions, BUT I've not triedto get into one without, so my opinion isn't worth a lot.ALSO. if you build one, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this.I occasionally forget the flop is up when I start the engine and once I gunit to taxi, the flop BANGS down hard. I don't have a mechanical stop so thehinge in essence is stopping it and as it does so is being "pried" off bythe leverage. I had to tighten the screws a few times and make a mod there,but biggest mod being to remember to CLOSE THE FLOP!Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
IF you build a flop in the wing, it is a very good idea to let it protrudeinto the wing root on the side you like to "mount" from. This way, whenit's open, there is more of a "hole" for your head. I personally like my flop for the reasons Dan mentions, BUT I've not triedto get into one without, so my opinion isn't worth a lot.ALSO. if you build one, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this.I occasionally forget the flop is up when I start the engine and once I gunit to taxi, the flop BANGS down hard. I don't have a mechanical stop so thehinge in essence is stopping it and as it does so is being "pried" off bythe leverage. I had to tighten the screws a few times and make a mod there,but biggest mod being to remember to CLOSE THE FLOP!Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Dan... Reason enough alone to flop!Cliff... I hear ya. I'm 41 and I no longer think guys are crazy that complainall the time about stiffness.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Dan... Reason enough alone to flop!Cliff... I hear ya. I'm 41 and I no longer think guys are crazy that complainall the time about stiffness.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Terry; the hinge straps on my flop are 3/4" wide. Now, take a look at the attachedpicture of the hinges that I replaced and note a few things NOT to do. (1)don't countersink the screws... there is no need to, and it really weakensthe material; (2) keep the holes away from the edge, because as I and others havenoted, the flop can flop and when it does, the metal gets stressed at thescrew holes.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/flop ... __________
Terry; the hinge straps on my flop are 3/4" wide. Now, take a look at the attachedpicture of the hinges that I replaced and note a few things NOT to do. (1)don't countersink the screws... there is no need to, and it really weakensthe material; (2) keep the holes away from the edge, because as I and others havenoted, the flop can flop and when it does, the metal gets stressed at thescrew holes.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/flop ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Ray beautiful work. What is the cut-out for?Jack TextorWest Des Moines, IA-----Original Message-----
Ray beautiful work. What is the cut-out for?Jack TextorWest Des Moines, IA-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Flop, or Not To Flop, That is the Question
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jack,Thanks for the good word, but it may not be deserved.The cut out is to get at the rudder pedals and brake linkages. There is no wayI will be able to get to them from the cockpit. There is a nice SS cover securedby the ever-present aircraft hinges. I figure there should be enough room behind/belowthe engine to get in there. If not, the engine is only secured byfour bolts! With no electrical, there's not many wires to remove.We will see if the hatch was a waste of time.Thanks,Ray KrauseBuilding SkyScoutSent from my iPad> On Nov 26, 2013, at 3:48 AM, "Jack" wrote:> > > Ray beautiful work. What is the cut-out for?> > Jack Textor> West Des Moines, IA> > > -----Original Message-----
Jack,Thanks for the good word, but it may not be deserved.The cut out is to get at the rudder pedals and brake linkages. There is no wayI will be able to get to them from the cockpit. There is a nice SS cover securedby the ever-present aircraft hinges. I figure there should be enough room behind/belowthe engine to get in there. If not, the engine is only secured byfour bolts! With no electrical, there's not many wires to remove.We will see if the hatch was a waste of time.Thanks,Ray KrauseBuilding SkyScoutSent from my iPad> On Nov 26, 2013, at 3:48 AM, "Jack" wrote:> > > Ray beautiful work. What is the cut-out for?> > Jack Textor> West Des Moines, IA> > > -----Original Message-----