Original Posted By: "At30West"
Titebond is not one of the polyethylene glues - those are the ones like Gorilla Glue, which, as you say, foam in a gap. There are some significant issues with those that make them, in my opinion, unsafe for aircraft. Titebond is an aliphatic resin glue (whatever that is), and is more related to good old Elmer's than any other glue type. Needs to be clamped properly to get a good bond, but I've used it for years in many woodworking projects & is my glue of choice if there's a reason to NOT use an epoxy.On Nov 30, 2013, at 10:24 PM, GNflyer wrote:>> I do not know for sure but I think Titebond may be one of the poly > ethylene? glues that are like the one I had the dealings with. if so > it wasn't their brand, but I was instructed that you did need to > dampen one surface with water o help it set and also soak in the > wood better. been quite a few years. but for sure that particular > glue did hold well with a good fit-however if there was any gap it > created a foam which had very little if any strength. Raymond>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks to all
Pietenpol-List: Thanks to all
Original Posted By: shad bell
Thanks to all who responded to my "plans, where to start" topic. I have orderedthe building manual from the Pietenpol site and will buy the plans there. Lookslike it will be slow going at first!I am located in the great white north... Northern Ohio. KBJJSteveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 17:38:47 -0800 (PST)
Thanks to all who responded to my "plans, where to start" topic. I have orderedthe building manual from the Pietenpol site and will buy the plans there. Lookslike it will be slow going at first!I am located in the great white north... Northern Ohio. KBJJSteveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 17:38:47 -0800 (PST)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks to all
Original Posted By: "aviken"
Just found this document from System Three, the makers of T-88. Interesting reading...http://www.systemthree.com/reslibrary/l ... dfDaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks to all
Just found this document from System Three, the makers of T-88. Interesting reading...http://www.systemthree.com/reslibrary/l ... dfDaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks to all
Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing...
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Hello good Piet-ple,Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving holiday...!The break gave me a chance to make progress on my rudder cable routing. I am using rudder pedals (with toe brakes) instead of a rudder bar so there maybe times when I inadvertently press on BOTH pedals at once - such as a situationof hard braking. With a rudder bar, pressing with both feet at once wouldnot cause a significant increase in tension on the rudder cables (or the rudderhinges), yet with pedals I needed to do something to address this issue.My solution was to fabricate a rudder cable "pivot bar" in the aft fuselage thatis designed to take the loads if I press on both pedals at once. This designshould also allow the cables from the pivot bar aft to the rudder horn be maintainedat a constant tension. This is the simplest modification I could thinkof while still keeping with the intent of Bernard's original design.In the photos you can see orange string strung (fun to say that) where the cableswill be. I superimposed a RED line where the cable runs from the pedal to thepivot bar, and a GREEN line from the pivot bar aft to the rudder horn.As with all of these modifications i ma making to the design, a caveat is thatI have not yet completed or flown my plane so everything is subject to change(!)I drop the parts off to the welder in a few hours... funnn stufff--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rudd ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing...
Hello good Piet-ple,Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving holiday...!The break gave me a chance to make progress on my rudder cable routing. I am using rudder pedals (with toe brakes) instead of a rudder bar so there maybe times when I inadvertently press on BOTH pedals at once - such as a situationof hard braking. With a rudder bar, pressing with both feet at once wouldnot cause a significant increase in tension on the rudder cables (or the rudderhinges), yet with pedals I needed to do something to address this issue.My solution was to fabricate a rudder cable "pivot bar" in the aft fuselage thatis designed to take the loads if I press on both pedals at once. This designshould also allow the cables from the pivot bar aft to the rudder horn be maintainedat a constant tension. This is the simplest modification I could thinkof while still keeping with the intent of Bernard's original design.In the photos you can see orange string strung (fun to say that) where the cableswill be. I superimposed a RED line where the cable runs from the pedal to thepivot bar, and a GREEN line from the pivot bar aft to the rudder horn.As with all of these modifications i ma making to the design, a caveat is thatI have not yet completed or flown my plane so everything is subject to change(!)I drop the parts off to the welder in a few hours... funnn stufff--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rudd ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing...
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
An elegant solution, Jake! I don't believe I've seen this setup on another Pietbefore. Have you thought about rudder stops, and will those be at the pedalssomewhere (either cockpit)? I ask this because I very recently fabricated newstops for my rudder bar, under the front seat.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing...
An elegant solution, Jake! I don't believe I've seen this setup on another Pietbefore. Have you thought about rudder stops, and will those be at the pedalssomewhere (either cockpit)? I ask this because I very recently fabricated newstops for my rudder bar, under the front seat.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing...
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
I just love the smell of steel tube in the morning. Yes I really mean it. Itlooks good Jake.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing...
I just love the smell of steel tube in the morning. Yes I really mean it. Itlooks good Jake.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing...
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Since you steel-tube builders are here, I have a question. I have some 4130 tubing(for another project) that has gone from Oregon to Texas, spent 9 years downthere in the humidity, and is now back in Oregon and now shows some surfacerust. Do you go ahead and cut, weld, and fabricate your part or assembly withthe tubing as-is and then bead blast the whole thing when it's done, or doyou clean the material before starting to work on it? The corrosion would beinside the tubing as well as outside, so if an assembly is made, the corrosioncould be trapped inside. [And just to pre-empt the comment that I already knowMikee is going to make, I don't have Tony's books here at work with me or Iwould look there first!]--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing...
Since you steel-tube builders are here, I have a question. I have some 4130 tubing(for another project) that has gone from Oregon to Texas, spent 9 years downthere in the humidity, and is now back in Oregon and now shows some surfacerust. Do you go ahead and cut, weld, and fabricate your part or assembly withthe tubing as-is and then bead blast the whole thing when it's done, or doyou clean the material before starting to work on it? The corrosion would beinside the tubing as well as outside, so if an assembly is made, the corrosioncould be trapped inside. [And just to pre-empt the comment that I already knowMikee is going to make, I don't have Tony's books here at work with me or Iwould look there first!]--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - rudder cable routing...