Original Posted By: "TriScout"
Hello Douwe - you are fortunate that you can use T88, or the glue of your choice.Here in the UK, we can use Aerolite 306 (UREA-FORMALDEHYDE POLYMER) or Aerodux(Liquid phenol-resorcinol resin adhesive). These are the only 2 approvedfor wood construction. Once you get the hang of them, they work well. Aeroduxis messy (I have not learned how to keep it tidy) and shows how messy you arein the finished product. You do need to keep joints reasonably tight, butwhat is the harm in that?So T-88 is the glue of choice in North America, but certainly not here and thereare a lot of wooden designs built in the UK. And there is no sign of the approvalof other wood glues any time soon.I'm not arguing, just saying that it is not the same everywhere.My 2 pence.......MarkRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: C85-12
Pietenpol-List: C85-12
Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
For those in DFW area of operations, there's an open house/sale at air salvagein Lancaster Saturday. C85 off of a C-140 there...20% off. Might be a worthy motorfor a local Piet builder. Just passing that along...http://www.asod.com/engines.html------- ... -8N2308CAN HardwareAirframe 724TTW72CK-42 SensenichStandard Factory GN-1Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:07:18 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12
For those in DFW area of operations, there's an open house/sale at air salvagein Lancaster Saturday. C85 off of a C-140 there...20% off. Might be a worthy motorfor a local Piet builder. Just passing that along...http://www.asod.com/engines.html------- ... -8N2308CAN HardwareAirframe 724TTW72CK-42 SensenichStandard Factory GN-1Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:07:18 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12
Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Jerry; excellent suggestion. I was wondering if CA cyanoacrylate ("Super Glue")might work to lock the nails in place, but thought I might get boos for that.If I might also mention something about this stuff, note that besides the veryrunny low-viscosity stuff, there is a thickened version of it available ifyou have to work upside-down or in a spot where the glue might tend to run off.At least one manufacturer also has a small brush type applicator for placeswhere it isn't convenient or appropriate to try to apply a drop of glue.As mentioned, cyanoacrylate is also very good for gluing cuts closed. I have somesuper glue on my thumb right now, on a painful crack that has developed dueto our recent very low temperatures and very dry air. This time of year myskin dries out and cracks a lot, which means that the Cornhusker's Lotion getsused pretty often.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Jerry; excellent suggestion. I was wondering if CA cyanoacrylate ("Super Glue")might work to lock the nails in place, but thought I might get boos for that.If I might also mention something about this stuff, note that besides the veryrunny low-viscosity stuff, there is a thickened version of it available ifyou have to work upside-down or in a spot where the glue might tend to run off.At least one manufacturer also has a small brush type applicator for placeswhere it isn't convenient or appropriate to try to apply a drop of glue.As mentioned, cyanoacrylate is also very good for gluing cuts closed. I have somesuper glue on my thumb right now, on a painful crack that has developed dueto our recent very low temperatures and very dry air. This time of year myskin dries out and cracks a lot, which means that the Cornhusker's Lotion getsused pretty often.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Not trying to discourage anyone, just suggesting that you research the C85 enginebefore you jump on it. As I recall, the C85 uses pistons that are longer andheavier than the other small Continentals, and there is an extra ring on eachpiston. This translates to more reciprocating inertia and higher drag. Ibelieve that those pistons may be more expensive and a bit more difficult to findthan some of the others, too. Just things to consider if the engine needsto be overhauled or repaired. Any of you A&Ps with experience on this, pleasechime in! I've never seen the inside of a C85... just read this stuff in books.I have heard the C85 called a bit of a dog, while the C90, on the other hand, hasa sterling reputation.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Not trying to discourage anyone, just suggesting that you research the C85 enginebefore you jump on it. As I recall, the C85 uses pistons that are longer andheavier than the other small Continentals, and there is an extra ring on eachpiston. This translates to more reciprocating inertia and higher drag. Ibelieve that those pistons may be more expensive and a bit more difficult to findthan some of the others, too. Just things to consider if the engine needsto be overhauled or repaired. Any of you A&Ps with experience on this, pleasechime in! I've never seen the inside of a C85... just read this stuff in books.I have heard the C85 called a bit of a dog, while the C90, on the other hand, hasa sterling reputation.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Original Posted By: Scott Knowlton
Oscar,Are you sure you're not thinking of the A-80?Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Oscar,Are you sure you're not thinking of the A-80?Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
I believe the C85-12 was used on most Cessna 140s and Aeronca Chiefs. It's alsoone of the most common upgrades to do on a Champ using the Lasher STC. I've heardmostly good things about the engine other than cylinders are a little harderto come by. Scott Knowlton. Sent from my iPhone> On Dec 13, 2013, at 3:24 PM, "Bill Church" wrote:> > > Oscar,> Are you sure you're not thinking of the A-80?> > Bill C.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 520#415520> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
I believe the C85-12 was used on most Cessna 140s and Aeronca Chiefs. It's alsoone of the most common upgrades to do on a Champ using the Lasher STC. I've heardmostly good things about the engine other than cylinders are a little harderto come by. Scott Knowlton. Sent from my iPhone> On Dec 13, 2013, at 3:24 PM, "Bill Church" wrote:> > > Oscar,> Are you sure you're not thinking of the A-80?> > Bill C.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 520#415520> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Be careful what you espouse. If everybody had the Bingelis books and a copy of AC 43-13 there wouldn't be anyreason for this forum to exist because all of the recurring questions wouldbe answered before they could be posted and everyone would be an expert! Thenwhere would we be???--------L.V.WilliamsXCG, XCMR,EPPUSHPA, EAA, AMARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Be careful what you espouse. If everybody had the Bingelis books and a copy of AC 43-13 there wouldn't be anyreason for this forum to exist because all of the recurring questions wouldbe answered before they could be posted and everyone would be an expert! Thenwhere would we be???--------L.V.WilliamsXCG, XCMR,EPPUSHPA, EAA, AMARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
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Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Original Posted By: "TriScout"
Go here;http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-0 ... htmlScroll down page near bottom. See Forest ProductsLaboratory chart of wood strength, weightcomparison.ClifQ: Is it safe to run around in the bushes in Canada ? ( Sweden )A: So it's true what they say about Swedes.> aviken, http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/medi ... B_Full.pdf> Terry Hand________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12
Go here;http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-0 ... htmlScroll down page near bottom. See Forest ProductsLaboratory chart of wood strength, weightcomparison.ClifQ: Is it safe to run around in the bushes in Canada ? ( Sweden )A: So it's true what they say about Swedes.> aviken, http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/medi ... B_Full.pdf> Terry Hand________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-12