Original Posted By: harvey rule
Ken Chambers wrote:> the rats have dragged the T-88 Part B Hardener away and> chewed up the bottle. I thought I had them all killed offOK, here's whatcha do:First off, buy a snake. A large rat snake, perhaps. Snakes eat rats. Ratsnakes are a pretty sure bet for eating rats. Unless it's a small rat snake.Then they'll only eat mice. But strangely, there's no such thing as a mousesnake. You'd think a small rat snake would be a mouse snake, but it's not.It's just a small rat snake. Which should be just fine with you, though,since you have a rat problem, not a mouse problem. There's a differencebetween the two, you know. Mice are the cuter of the two.Anyway, release your rat snake into your shop, and wait a month or two forhim to eat all the rats. You'll probably rarely see the snake, andeventually you won't see any rats. You won't see any mice, either. But don'tjump to conclusions and assume that your big rat snake also ate your mice.Especially considering that you didn't see any mice in the first place. Isure hope you don't always jump to conclusions that quickly.So now you have no more rats, and one fat snake. NOW, you (or your spouse)might decide that you really don't want a big ole snake hanging around theshop where it might startle you while you're using the fly cutter on yourinstrument panel or something. SO, now you should do what any sane personwould do: buy a king snake. King snakes eat other snakes, as you might beaware. And they'll also finish up any rats that the rat snake missed. Micetoo, even though you don't have any. King snakes aren't rodent snobs.Now you have an even bigger king snake to deal with. What to do? Well,duh... get on eBay and put a bid in on a mongoose. Mongeese (?) eat snakes,as everyone knows. Any old mongoose should do... well, they hunt in teams,so better get three. Don't want to interrupt a natural behavior that's beenhighly tuned and developed over the last few thousand years now, do we?Good. I don't know how to pick a good mongoose from a bad one, but I'm surethat you can get on Google and find out. Or just go to"www.howtopickareallygoodmongooseforyourworkshop.com" or a similar site tohelp you out. Remember, the key to smart mongoosing is to do your homework.Now, realize that mongoosae (?) are mischievous little critters, and they'lllikely cause all sorts of havoc around the farm. So now is a good time toget into the market for a largish hawk. A red-tail or Cooper's hawk wouldprobably be about right, while a chicken hawk or Ethan Hawke is right out.New or used, it doesn't really matter... just make sure it's a live hawk.You might scare the mongoosia pretty bad at first with a cheap dead hawk,but sooner or later they'll catch on, and be right back to their old tricks.And then, they won't even respect you for trying to trick them with a deadhawk. Plus you're stuck with a stinky, dead bird of prey on your hands...you'll be lucky if you can sell it for as much as you paid. Avoid thiscommon trap that inexperienced raptor buyers often fall into, and buy a livehawk to start with. Some hawk hawkers may try to sell you a hawk in a comaor drunken stupor or an otherwise not entirely well bird, at a reducedprice. This can be a dangerous gamble, and I don't recommend taking thisrisk except for those who really know what they're doing. The Better BirdingBureau (BBB) is rife with reports of shady and unscrupulous hawkers offeringinferior predatory poultry to rookie raptor requisitioners.Once a suitable hawk has been obtained, set it out on teh back fencepost andsee if it will try to catch the mongooses. The hawk, however, will need lotsof room to perch, fly, catch prey, etc. so be sure to keep him outside atall times. He could actually fly away, however. To help keep him around yourhouse (you never know when he'll leave to hunt for your neighbor's mongoose,which is just poor form and considered quite rude, unless they actuallyinvite you to share in their personal weaseldom) you need to get a couple ofrabbits.Umm, wait a minute... we have 3 pet rabbits, and I'd really hate to think ofa cute little bunny getting eaten by a hawk, or anything else for thatmatter. Which is even scarier since a lot of things have been known to eatrabbits, including mongooses. So on second thought, keep the bunniesindoors. They make great house pets, they're more affectionate than a cat (alot smarter, too) and they'll probably get along with the dogs just fine.Heck, ours think they ARE dogs. With luck you might even train aparticularly ambitious bunny to help you round up cattle. But I digress.So go buy some baby quail chicks instead. They don't cost much and they'llkeep the hawk coming around. They're also not terribly noisy.The quail which manage to survive the hawks, mongii (?), and king snakeswill probably reproduce like crazy, seeing as how they live on a nice biggrain farm and all. But that's OK. Since I somehow forgot to mention thefiner points of living with house rabbits a couple of paragraphs ago, andyour attention has been diverted with ordering and raising your quailchicks, I suspect that by now you're realizing that you REALLY should havehad at least one of your original two rabbits fixed as a couple dozen oftheir descendants have now magically appeared. They're all cute, and thankthe good Lord above that they're litter-trained, but honestly... they'restarting to eat you out of house and home, and you're starting to havelitter and chew toys delivered on pallets. Worse, they're jumping all overthe furniture when company comes over, they're molting all over the carpet,and they like to nip at your toes when you don't scratch their foreheadsfast enough. You need a break from the long-eared hordes, don't you?So go grab your gun, walk outside with the dog (he needs a break from hisnew friends too, who like him but have affectionately licked his forehead tothe point he's got bald spots) and flush out some quail. Shoot at them. Trynot to hit the hawk, as that's illegal in most states. Don't hit the dog,either, that's just plain wrong.Ahh, that's better... and now you have a nice quail dinner to boot. Too badthere's no salad to go with it, since the bunnies smelled lettuce andmanaged to pry open the refrigerator door while you were outside. By thetime dinner's over, you find that you have fifty-seven more rabbits in thebedroom alone. It takes an hour and forty-five minutes to herd them all intotheir hutch (the entire second floor of your 12-room farmhouse) for thenight, and you're really starting to miss being able to enjoy your "CSI:Spring Valley" reruns on Thursday nights.As the commotion upstairs finally dies down to a dull roar of thumps,scratching, jumping, and the gentle sound of chewing on hay, you are finallyable to drop off into an exhausted slumber, slumped in your rabbit-chewed,carrot-stained easy chair under a picture of a Pietenpol.And as you drift quickly off to Dreamland, you quietly long for the good olddays, when your biggest worry in life was having a couple of glue-snortingrats wandering through the workshop...-MikeMike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.netWebmaster, OV-10 Bronco Associationhttp://www.ov-10bronco.net/___________________ ... ______Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 03:24:17 -0500
Pietenpol-List: Rats!
Re: Pietenpol-List: Rats!
Original Posted By: tbyh(at)aol.com
Pietenpol-List: Rats!
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Did I read the plans wrong? Note in the red oval on the print, "all measurementsto outside of plywood. I assumed this meant all measurements and made thefront of my fuselage 24 wide to the outside of the plywood. Yesterday I borrowed a WW corvair engine mount and found it to be a 1/4 too widefor my frame (the engine mount measured 24 1/4 wide). That would mean thatthe front, or far left dimension on the print should be 24 inches to the outsideof the longerons and not the plywood.....correct? Before I remove the twobottom ash cross struts connecting my sides, I want to make sure.John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn ... __________
Did I read the plans wrong? Note in the red oval on the print, "all measurementsto outside of plywood. I assumed this meant all measurements and made thefront of my fuselage 24 wide to the outside of the plywood. Yesterday I borrowed a WW corvair engine mount and found it to be a 1/4 too widefor my frame (the engine mount measured 24 1/4 wide). That would mean thatthe front, or far left dimension on the print should be 24 inches to the outsideof the longerons and not the plywood.....correct? Before I remove the twobottom ash cross struts connecting my sides, I want to make sure.John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Rats!
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of john francis
John,The outside of the plywood is the same as the outside of the longerons. Mr. Pietenpoldid that on purpose to conserve plywood, but when you add the sides, theoutside measurement increases 1/4".Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
John,The outside of the plywood is the same as the outside of the longerons. Mr. Pietenpoldid that on purpose to conserve plywood, but when you add the sides, theoutside measurement increases 1/4".Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Rats!
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of john francis
JohnI dont think your wrong. I think the 24" to the outside of the plywood was onpurpose so you could use half a sheet of plywood on the bottom. Chris T.Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
JohnI dont think your wrong. I think the 24" to the outside of the plywood was onpurpose so you could use half a sheet of plywood on the bottom. Chris T.Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 tubing laying around
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Hey Douwe, I may have some left over after I get my motor mount finished. What kind of fun project are you making? Is it going to be horse drawn? GardinerSent from my iPadOn Mar 15, 2014, at 10:18 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:> Hey,> > Anybody have some 4130 tubing laying around they wanna sell cheap? Round, square, rusty doesn=99t much matter. It=99s for a high-mileage vehicle =9Cfun project=9D and is just for prototyping.> > Douwe> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
Hey Douwe, I may have some left over after I get my motor mount finished. What kind of fun project are you making? Is it going to be horse drawn? GardinerSent from my iPadOn Mar 15, 2014, at 10:18 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:> Hey,> > Anybody have some 4130 tubing laying around they wanna sell cheap? Round, square, rusty doesn=99t much matter. It=99s for a high-mileage vehicle =9Cfun project=9D and is just for prototyping.> > Douwe> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Rats!
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Gary, I never noticed your fuselage was 24 1/4 inches wide. I guess my eyes are gettingbad. I took this measurement, like john did, to mean 24-inches AFTER the sidesare installed. I never thought it was before but it could be interpretedyour way too. This is just one of the joys of scratch building. We can bothsay we followed the plans and both of us are correct.Chris T.Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
Gary, I never noticed your fuselage was 24 1/4 inches wide. I guess my eyes are gettingbad. I took this measurement, like john did, to mean 24-inches AFTER the sidesare installed. I never thought it was before but it could be interpretedyour way too. This is just one of the joys of scratch building. We can bothsay we followed the plans and both of us are correct.Chris T.Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Rats!
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
...but what does Dan Interim Top Curmudgeon Helsper say?Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
...but what does Dan Interim Top Curmudgeon Helsper say?Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: a day at the hangar
Original Posted By: Gerry Holland
Pics? You want proof? Well, All I have is proof that the engine started and ranyesterday (attached). Taken with the iPhone, so the prop is all melted andflinging pieces of itself into the sky, but there's the place I call "home"-Hangar Tango Six, north hangars, KMFR. Tail is tied to the galvanized steel stormwatergrating that was cast integral with the concrete gutter. Ain't goin'nowhere.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/star ... __________
Pics? You want proof? Well, All I have is proof that the engine started and ranyesterday (attached). Taken with the iPhone, so the prop is all melted andflinging pieces of itself into the sky, but there's the place I call "home"-Hangar Tango Six, north hangars, KMFR. Tail is tied to the galvanized steel stormwatergrating that was cast integral with the concrete gutter. Ain't goin'nowhere.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/star ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
Original Posted By: jim hyde
The destruction is done and the reconstruction has begun.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 12:35:47 -0700 (PDT)
The destruction is done and the reconstruction has begun.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 12:35:47 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Rats!
Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Beautiful Gary. You look very relaxed. It makes me want to go flying again.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 18:54:36 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rats!
Beautiful Gary. You look very relaxed. It makes me want to go flying again.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 18:54:36 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rats!
Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
Original Posted By: "john francis"
Piet Builders:I would like to share an invitation to this years Corvair Colleges with all ofyou. For starters, we have #29 in Leesburg Florida, the weekend before Sun n Fun.We intentionally do it this way to allow builders who traditionally travelto SnF, to hit this college 70 miles north of Lakeland. Many people who usedto go to SnF for 5 days, now go to the college for 3, drive 90 minutes to Lakeland,and check into SnF for 2 days, see friends, shop and leave before they haveto take out a second mortgage to pay for the camping, admission and food vendorsthere. If you would like to get a look at the event, check this out (Iteven has a Pietenpol picture)http://flycorvair.net/2014/03/17/corvai ... st-call/We have already had one College this year in Texas, Our local hosts were well knownPietenpolers Kevin Purtee and Shelley Tumino. You can see some of the eventin photos at this link:http://flycorvair.net/2014/03/13/corvai ... as/College #30 is going to be held at the Zenith Factory at Mexico MO. in the middleof September. Sebastien Heintz, President of Zenith, is a good friend of ours,and he has said many times, all builders are welcome at his facility, notjust Zenith guys. We held #26 there last year, and a half dozen guys who werethere Piet builders. If you are from that neck of the woods, plan on attending.College #31, is an event that should be of interest to all Piet builders. It willne in early November in Barnwell SC. It will be hosted by We known Pietenpolbuilder/pilot P.F. Beck. He and his crew have also hosted Corvair Colleges #19,#21, #24 and #27. P.F has long said that he would like to welcome Piet buildersof all power persuasions. Keep in mind that Barn well is also the homeof Don Harpers Piet, know for the Ribblet airfoil tests:http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/17/nwe-pi ... c/Barnwell is also the season end event where we award the Cherry Grove trophy, tothe aviator who made the greatest contribution to Corvair Powered flight forthe year. We have previously awarded it to P.F, and two years ago we awardedit to Kevin and Shelley. More info at this link:http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/18/the-ch ... -trophy/If you would like a general overview of what Colleges are all about, Get a lookat this link:http://flycorvair.net/2014/01/31/corvai ... e-page/You do not have to be a Corvair builder to feel welcome at a College. A lot oflearning gos on, and it is done in a fun setting. Colleges are Free. The onlycost involved is the modest fee that goes to the local host to allow them to provideall the food and drinks, the facility and the workplace. The typical feeis $75 total for three days, about the best bargain left in aviation. We havea number of builders who hit several colleges a year, even though their engineis long done. Many of these people regard the College crowd as their "non-geographicalEAA Chapter." If you local chapter is woefully short of positive peopleor experienced builders, sign up for a college, we have plenty of good peopleat every one. You can not soar with eagles if you only hang out with turkeys.If you are new to homebuilding, or you have not made the progress you wanted,pick better locations and company.-ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
Piet Builders:I would like to share an invitation to this years Corvair Colleges with all ofyou. For starters, we have #29 in Leesburg Florida, the weekend before Sun n Fun.We intentionally do it this way to allow builders who traditionally travelto SnF, to hit this college 70 miles north of Lakeland. Many people who usedto go to SnF for 5 days, now go to the college for 3, drive 90 minutes to Lakeland,and check into SnF for 2 days, see friends, shop and leave before they haveto take out a second mortgage to pay for the camping, admission and food vendorsthere. If you would like to get a look at the event, check this out (Iteven has a Pietenpol picture)http://flycorvair.net/2014/03/17/corvai ... st-call/We have already had one College this year in Texas, Our local hosts were well knownPietenpolers Kevin Purtee and Shelley Tumino. You can see some of the eventin photos at this link:http://flycorvair.net/2014/03/13/corvai ... as/College #30 is going to be held at the Zenith Factory at Mexico MO. in the middleof September. Sebastien Heintz, President of Zenith, is a good friend of ours,and he has said many times, all builders are welcome at his facility, notjust Zenith guys. We held #26 there last year, and a half dozen guys who werethere Piet builders. If you are from that neck of the woods, plan on attending.College #31, is an event that should be of interest to all Piet builders. It willne in early November in Barnwell SC. It will be hosted by We known Pietenpolbuilder/pilot P.F. Beck. He and his crew have also hosted Corvair Colleges #19,#21, #24 and #27. P.F has long said that he would like to welcome Piet buildersof all power persuasions. Keep in mind that Barn well is also the homeof Don Harpers Piet, know for the Ribblet airfoil tests:http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/17/nwe-pi ... c/Barnwell is also the season end event where we award the Cherry Grove trophy, tothe aviator who made the greatest contribution to Corvair Powered flight forthe year. We have previously awarded it to P.F, and two years ago we awardedit to Kevin and Shelley. More info at this link:http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/18/the-ch ... -trophy/If you would like a general overview of what Colleges are all about, Get a lookat this link:http://flycorvair.net/2014/01/31/corvai ... e-page/You do not have to be a Corvair builder to feel welcome at a College. A lot oflearning gos on, and it is done in a fun setting. Colleges are Free. The onlycost involved is the modest fee that goes to the local host to allow them to provideall the food and drinks, the facility and the workplace. The typical feeis $75 total for three days, about the best bargain left in aviation. We havea number of builders who hit several colleges a year, even though their engineis long done. Many of these people regard the College crowd as their "non-geographicalEAA Chapter." If you local chapter is woefully short of positive peopleor experienced builders, sign up for a college, we have plenty of good peopleat every one. You can not soar with eagles if you only hang out with turkeys.If you are new to homebuilding, or you have not made the progress you wanted,pick better locations and company.-ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
Original Posted By: jim hyde
William,Build mine just like Bobs as I am using it to set my brackets.John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 20:00:34 -0700 (PDT)
William,Build mine just like Bobs as I am using it to set my brackets.John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 20:00:34 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Rats!
Original Posted By: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Doc story #2;It's 1990 or so. I am working on becoming an A&P at Embry-Riddle to go with anAero-engineering degree. I actually like the A&P skills better, as engineeringeducation is being polluted by an invasion of computer science and programing.About 1/2 way through my Airframe license the FAA announces that they are goingto have the "Charles Taylor Award" for outstanding A&P mechanic in the US.Great, adds to the esprit de corps, maybe something to shoot for in 25 years......Month or two later, here comes a press release from the Feds: They decided thatyou need to have 50 years of being an A&P to even apply for the award. Great,I figure no rush on my application, I can't submit it until 2041. The bottomof the press release includes the name of some old guy they awarded the firstone to, some cat named Donald Moster or Mostel or something.......Fast forward to 2004. I am visiting Doc' and Dee's place in Wisconsin. I have knownthem for a bit, Doc has even attended our first Corvair College. He has builthis own Corvair engine at the following college. He seems like a promisingstudent, I try and share a lot of my wisdom with him. When I am speaking withhim, he often has a very interested look on his face and says things like "Sothat's how engines work! "It is my first visit to Doc's house. He is sitting at the kitchen table readingthe editorial page of the paper and commenting on the wisdom of people who writeletters to the editor. I am examining the pictures on the walls in Doc's office.I am stunned. It is a collection of been there done that, history of aviationclassics. I am having the uncomfortable and rude awakening, that Doc hasbeen playing "New guy" when he actually has an incredible depth of experience.Looking though the framed 8x10s I find a certificate with the department oftransportation logo, leaning against a book, kind of dusty. It says CHARLES TAYLORAWARD.....DONALD MOSHER.I clutch it in my hands and realize several things in rapid order 1) Donald mosteror mostel = DONALD 'DOC' MOSHER......2) Doc knows more about engines thanI ever will......3) I have spent the last three years speaking to him as if Ihad something to show him.I walk out to the kitchen, where Doc is still reading letters to the editor. Hedoes not look up from the paper. Me: "You have THE CHARLES TAYLOR AWARD!"Doc: "Whatever...."Me: "You have THE CHARLES TAYLOR AWARD!"Doc: "Is there some point?"Me: "You let me speak to you like I was smart.....and You have THE CHARLES TAYLORAWARD!"Doc, without looking up from paper "So what, it's all political, who you know,they hand them out like crackerjack prizes."Me: "My ass they do. 50 Years just to apply for it! I would cut off my left armfor this. I would sell my sister into the valley of the lepers, I would ....Iwould..."Doc, looking up from paper for the first time: "Really, Your quest for externalvalidation isn't very becoming. You should look inside yourself for happinessand satisfaction. "Me: "Thanks, Obi-Wan Kenobi. I feel soooo much better. " -ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rats!
Doc story #2;It's 1990 or so. I am working on becoming an A&P at Embry-Riddle to go with anAero-engineering degree. I actually like the A&P skills better, as engineeringeducation is being polluted by an invasion of computer science and programing.About 1/2 way through my Airframe license the FAA announces that they are goingto have the "Charles Taylor Award" for outstanding A&P mechanic in the US.Great, adds to the esprit de corps, maybe something to shoot for in 25 years......Month or two later, here comes a press release from the Feds: They decided thatyou need to have 50 years of being an A&P to even apply for the award. Great,I figure no rush on my application, I can't submit it until 2041. The bottomof the press release includes the name of some old guy they awarded the firstone to, some cat named Donald Moster or Mostel or something.......Fast forward to 2004. I am visiting Doc' and Dee's place in Wisconsin. I have knownthem for a bit, Doc has even attended our first Corvair College. He has builthis own Corvair engine at the following college. He seems like a promisingstudent, I try and share a lot of my wisdom with him. When I am speaking withhim, he often has a very interested look on his face and says things like "Sothat's how engines work! "It is my first visit to Doc's house. He is sitting at the kitchen table readingthe editorial page of the paper and commenting on the wisdom of people who writeletters to the editor. I am examining the pictures on the walls in Doc's office.I am stunned. It is a collection of been there done that, history of aviationclassics. I am having the uncomfortable and rude awakening, that Doc hasbeen playing "New guy" when he actually has an incredible depth of experience.Looking though the framed 8x10s I find a certificate with the department oftransportation logo, leaning against a book, kind of dusty. It says CHARLES TAYLORAWARD.....DONALD MOSHER.I clutch it in my hands and realize several things in rapid order 1) Donald mosteror mostel = DONALD 'DOC' MOSHER......2) Doc knows more about engines thanI ever will......3) I have spent the last three years speaking to him as if Ihad something to show him.I walk out to the kitchen, where Doc is still reading letters to the editor. Hedoes not look up from the paper. Me: "You have THE CHARLES TAYLOR AWARD!"Doc: "Whatever...."Me: "You have THE CHARLES TAYLOR AWARD!"Doc: "Is there some point?"Me: "You let me speak to you like I was smart.....and You have THE CHARLES TAYLORAWARD!"Doc, without looking up from paper "So what, it's all political, who you know,they hand them out like crackerjack prizes."Me: "My ass they do. 50 Years just to apply for it! I would cut off my left armfor this. I would sell my sister into the valley of the lepers, I would ....Iwould..."Doc, looking up from paper for the first time: "Really, Your quest for externalvalidation isn't very becoming. You should look inside yourself for happinessand satisfaction. "Me: "Thanks, Obi-Wan Kenobi. I feel soooo much better. " -ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rats!
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Well, drawing No. 5 gives the spread between the wing cabane strut fittings right at 24" to line up vertically coming up from the fuse. So once again young Mr. Hoopman was correct. I think the Corvair engine mount is wrong.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Well, drawing No. 5 gives the spread between the wing cabane strut fittings right at 24" to line up vertically coming up from the fuse. So once again young Mr. Hoopman was correct. I think the Corvair engine mount is wrong.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Braniff1996 brought up great points and made me think about what he wrote whenI saw this article-http://www.salary.com/12-jobs-on-the-br ... tinct/Also, William Wynne on his flycorvair.net blog recently brought a fantastic bookto my attention that dovetails right in with this. He discussed, and I tookhis advice and read, the book, Shop Class As Soulcraft by Matthew B. Crawford.http://flycorvair.net/?s=shop+class&submit=SearchIn William's post, there is a link to the magazine article of the same name thatletter turned into the full book.What does this have to do with Pietenpol building, you ask? Not much for you andI, maybe. But if you have a child of between the ages of birth and college,you need to read this to help them to go in a career direction that gives thema quality of life that will allow them to love to fly as much as you do.All, right, I am off the soap box and headed to go flying.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
Braniff1996 brought up great points and made me think about what he wrote whenI saw this article-http://www.salary.com/12-jobs-on-the-br ... tinct/Also, William Wynne on his flycorvair.net blog recently brought a fantastic bookto my attention that dovetails right in with this. He discussed, and I tookhis advice and read, the book, Shop Class As Soulcraft by Matthew B. Crawford.http://flycorvair.net/?s=shop+class&submit=SearchIn William's post, there is a link to the magazine article of the same name thatletter turned into the full book.What does this have to do with Pietenpol building, you ask? Not much for you andI, maybe. But if you have a child of between the ages of birth and college,you need to read this to help them to go in a career direction that gives thema quality of life that will allow them to love to fly as much as you do.All, right, I am off the soap box and headed to go flying.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
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Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
Just to muddy the waters a little more, refer to drawing No. 6. This seems tobe the only place in the drawing set that cannot be interpreted in more than oneway. The detail clearly shows the dimensions to be to the outside of the plywoodside skins. The dimensions are:1 1/4" + 4 13/16" + 2" + 8 1/8" + 1" + 5 13/16" + 1 1/4", which gives a grand totalof 24 1/4" including the plywood skins, or, 24" to outside of longerons.This seems to be in conflict with the note on drawing No. 1, which says all dimensionsto outside of plywood. Unless we interpret that note to be referringto the plywood floor. Having said that, I can't remember whether I built my fuselage to be 24" wide,measured at the longerons, or measured at the plywood. And, to be honest, itdoesn't matter. At all. One quarter inch difference in the width one way or theother will not make a significant difference. And if you will be buildingyour own motor mount, simply build the mount to suit the fuselage width you havefabricated. If you will be having your mount built by others, either confirmthe mount width before building your fuselage, or give your fabricator clearinstructions as to your mounting point dimensions.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
Just to muddy the waters a little more, refer to drawing No. 6. This seems tobe the only place in the drawing set that cannot be interpreted in more than oneway. The detail clearly shows the dimensions to be to the outside of the plywoodside skins. The dimensions are:1 1/4" + 4 13/16" + 2" + 8 1/8" + 1" + 5 13/16" + 1 1/4", which gives a grand totalof 24 1/4" including the plywood skins, or, 24" to outside of longerons.This seems to be in conflict with the note on drawing No. 1, which says all dimensionsto outside of plywood. Unless we interpret that note to be referringto the plywood floor. Having said that, I can't remember whether I built my fuselage to be 24" wide,measured at the longerons, or measured at the plywood. And, to be honest, itdoesn't matter. At all. One quarter inch difference in the width one way or theother will not make a significant difference. And if you will be buildingyour own motor mount, simply build the mount to suit the fuselage width you havefabricated. If you will be having your mount built by others, either confirmthe mount width before building your fuselage, or give your fabricator clearinstructions as to your mounting point dimensions.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
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Original Posted By: danhelsper(at)aol.com
thank you Oscar.--------Mario GiacummoPhotos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
thank you Oscar.--------Mario GiacummoPhotos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
Original Posted By: William Wynne
William,There is only one way for a curmudgeon to look at things. But in this case Mr. Church has found that (gasp) there might be a conflict on the plans? There must be some plausible explanation for this. I will search the "papers" in May.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
William,There is only one way for a curmudgeon to look at things. But in this case Mr. Church has found that (gasp) there might be a conflict on the plans? There must be some plausible explanation for this. I will search the "papers" in May.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "bdewenter"
Steve,Do not use the torque associated with NPT thread values in general books!Go to the latest spruce catalog and look at pages 106 and 107. These are Nylonfittings. They work great, this is what people use, and they seal perfectly, andyou will not be tempted to over tighten them.If you have blue aluminum AN fittings with NPT threads, very carefully apply PTFEtape to them, and then use about 1/3 the normal torque for a NPT thread. Someinstruments are 1/4, some are 1/8 NPT.43.13 is an outstanding book, but it doesn't have answers like this. The instrumentssection is at the back, and it is largely about design and far 23 reg. compliance.If you have not heard this before, let me share with you the "emperorhas no clothes" moment. Not everything in "uncle tonly's" books is valid, anda lot of working mechanics detest the myths he portrayed as across the boardfacts. Expand your horizons past what a guy stuck in the 1970's mentality wrote.for more ideas look at:http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/29/inexpe ... -two/.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
Steve,Do not use the torque associated with NPT thread values in general books!Go to the latest spruce catalog and look at pages 106 and 107. These are Nylonfittings. They work great, this is what people use, and they seal perfectly, andyou will not be tempted to over tighten them.If you have blue aluminum AN fittings with NPT threads, very carefully apply PTFEtape to them, and then use about 1/3 the normal torque for a NPT thread. Someinstruments are 1/4, some are 1/8 NPT.43.13 is an outstanding book, but it doesn't have answers like this. The instrumentssection is at the back, and it is largely about design and far 23 reg. compliance.If you have not heard this before, let me share with you the "emperorhas no clothes" moment. Not everything in "uncle tonly's" books is valid, anda lot of working mechanics detest the myths he portrayed as across the boardfacts. Expand your horizons past what a guy stuck in the 1970's mentality wrote.for more ideas look at:http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/29/inexpe ... -two/.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Wow, take a road trip to Waterloo IA and you miss a lot on this list.As WW replied, my mount fits like a glove. The final width was a factor of havinga perfectly square sheet of 24" wide 1/4" plywood for the floor bottom - thiswas used to attach the fuse sides and come out perfectly square. Add theouter sheets of 1/8" ply and the total is 24.25".I could not be happier. Both Vern and WW are excellent craftsman.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc_ ... __________
Wow, take a road trip to Waterloo IA and you miss a lot on this list.As WW replied, my mount fits like a glove. The final width was a factor of havinga perfectly square sheet of 24" wide 1/4" plywood for the floor bottom - thiswas used to attach the fuse sides and come out perfectly square. Add theouter sheets of 1/8" ply and the total is 24.25".I could not be happier. Both Vern and WW are excellent craftsman.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc_ ... __________
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Original Posted By: "bdewenter"
Brian C-FAUK wrote:> > Building a scratch built aircraft is a job that only the most diligent can complete.Thosewho persevere should have the greatest chance of success, they deserveit. Following Tony is good advice even if it is out of date and even wrong.You could do a lot worse by not following it. > I think the defense of Tony is well intentioned, but I disagree with some of it.I do apologize if the rest of this seems a little harsh. I admit to havinga fault that what I think spills out un-censored. No one should take anythingI post personally.Neither perseverance nor diligence produce airworthy aircraft - they just producean object - perhaps one that is not airworthy. Following advice known to bewrong produces unsafe, unworthy aircraft. If Tony's advice is wrong (or outdated)it should not be followed. I have all of Tony's books and rely on them heavily as I do some of the adviceon this list. However I do also recognize the age of its expertise and the lackof current materials - asbestos products for firewalls? really?. It was nottoo long ago that everyone "Knew the world was flat".I do agree that those who have the greatest chance of success follow a proven path,and sound advice as I did to successfully build and run my Corvair convertionengine after a successful 368 day build. It did not require a Lycoming orContinental core to be successful. Success (for me) required the Chevrolet"Green Shop Manual", some education, 3 Corvair Colleges, and professional help.I am an informed builder making sound decisions, following a proven "Corvair"path.Very respectfully--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
Brian C-FAUK wrote:> > Building a scratch built aircraft is a job that only the most diligent can complete.Thosewho persevere should have the greatest chance of success, they deserveit. Following Tony is good advice even if it is out of date and even wrong.You could do a lot worse by not following it. > I think the defense of Tony is well intentioned, but I disagree with some of it.I do apologize if the rest of this seems a little harsh. I admit to havinga fault that what I think spills out un-censored. No one should take anythingI post personally.Neither perseverance nor diligence produce airworthy aircraft - they just producean object - perhaps one that is not airworthy. Following advice known to bewrong produces unsafe, unworthy aircraft. If Tony's advice is wrong (or outdated)it should not be followed. I have all of Tony's books and rely on them heavily as I do some of the adviceon this list. However I do also recognize the age of its expertise and the lackof current materials - asbestos products for firewalls? really?. It was nottoo long ago that everyone "Knew the world was flat".I do agree that those who have the greatest chance of success follow a proven path,and sound advice as I did to successfully build and run my Corvair convertionengine after a successful 368 day build. It did not require a Lycoming orContinental core to be successful. Success (for me) required the Chevrolet"Green Shop Manual", some education, 3 Corvair Colleges, and professional help.I am an informed builder making sound decisions, following a proven "Corvair"path.Very respectfully--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rats!
Original Posted By: jim hyde
danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote:> I think the Corvair engine mount is wrong.> > > --Dear Mr. Top Crumb.. SirMy (Bob Dewenter) engine mount is NOT wrong. It is exactly what I asked WilliamWynn to make for me. He even allowed it to be powder coated Black, despitehis advice otherwise.My decoding of the plans (not to be confused with actual instructions) was thatone should use the entire sheet of 24" wide plywood (floor) to give your shipits maximum interior width allowable with a 24" wide sheet of (pick you choiceof three thicknesses) plywood for a floor.I think the only way to resolve the plans contraversy is to go to Brodhead (LastOriginal) or to Oshkosh and do an actual measurement of one of Bernards' actual"plans built" hand crafted airplanes.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:25:48 -0700 (PDT)
danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote:> I think the Corvair engine mount is wrong.> > > --Dear Mr. Top Crumb.. SirMy (Bob Dewenter) engine mount is NOT wrong. It is exactly what I asked WilliamWynn to make for me. He even allowed it to be powder coated Black, despitehis advice otherwise.My decoding of the plans (not to be confused with actual instructions) was thatone should use the entire sheet of 24" wide plywood (floor) to give your shipits maximum interior width allowable with a 24" wide sheet of (pick you choiceof three thicknesses) plywood for a floor.I think the only way to resolve the plans contraversy is to go to Brodhead (LastOriginal) or to Oshkosh and do an actual measurement of one of Bernards' actual"plans built" hand crafted airplanes.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:25:48 -0700 (PDT)