Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Nauus,Like most questions in aviation, the answer to your question is "Itdepends." The maxiumum takeoff weight of the airplane varies by what youput in it - how much fuel, and how heavy is the pilot and other payload.Are you planning this as a single seat or two seat airplane? If using it as a single seater, my own Pietenpol could qualify even thoughmine is fairly heavy (338 kg or 745 lbs). Adding my 86 kg (190 lbs) wouldstill leave you 26 kg (57 lbs) of fuel, which would be 9.55 gallons or36.15 liters, enough for a little over 2 hours of flying with a Continental65 hp engineWhat engine are you considering using? If using a Continental A65, thereare many Pietenpols that have been built with an empty weight of 650 lbs(295 kg) or less. Corvair powered Pietenpols seem to tend slightly heavier.Model A Ford Pietenpols tend to be lighter than 650 lbs, probably becausetheir builders know they don't have a lot of power to waste.So let's say you are building a two seat Pietenpol, with an empty weight of295 kg. That leaves you with 155 kg for people and fuel. Assuming youneed at least an hour's worth of fuel on board, which will be somewherearound 14 kg of fuel, you and your passenger cannot total more than 141 kg.Assuming you weigh about 75 kg (165 lbs), that means your passenger cannotweigh more than 66 kg (145 lbs). This is not a bad solution - it measn thatyou will be limited to carrying lightweight passengers, which tends toinclude pretty young women and children. You won't have to give rides tofat old men ("Sorry, I'd love to take you up old chap, but the law forbidsit.")If on the other hand you weigh 141 kg by yourself, then I'd say you shouldlook at another design.Good luck!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992
Pietenpol-List: Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992
Original Posted By: "nauus"
Awesome...! Looks like something you need to Re-Piet often....!!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992lb)
Awesome...! Looks like something you need to Re-Piet often....!!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992lb)
Pietenpol-List: Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992
Original Posted By: "Vasek"
Thanks for the comment Jack. I'm sorry to say this but it seems the Aircamper is not a design for me. I am a burly rugby player of 220 lb (100 kg) and did not think that in the yearsfollowing diets work better than now. By your words I can deduce that with meonly remain 122 lb (55 kg) for passanger and fuel. I know there are ultralight replicas of the SkyScout (Ragwing, Fisher, Texas Parasol...) but none has for me the charm of a Pietenpol. I love the wood work in Pietempol's, the wooden cabanes and undercarriage, forme are almost like a beautiful woman. Has anyone thought of a ultralight design for two seater Aircamper ? Greetings and thank you very muchRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992lb)
Thanks for the comment Jack. I'm sorry to say this but it seems the Aircamper is not a design for me. I am a burly rugby player of 220 lb (100 kg) and did not think that in the yearsfollowing diets work better than now. By your words I can deduce that with meonly remain 122 lb (55 kg) for passanger and fuel. I know there are ultralight replicas of the SkyScout (Ragwing, Fisher, Texas Parasol...) but none has for me the charm of a Pietenpol. I love the wood work in Pietempol's, the wooden cabanes and undercarriage, forme are almost like a beautiful woman. Has anyone thought of a ultralight design for two seater Aircamper ? Greetings and thank you very muchRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992lb)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes
Original Posted By: Jack
Hi, I am building a Pietenpol GN-1 in the Czech Republic (Central Europe) as anULLa aircraft. Metal construction of fuselage and tail surfaces. Wooden wing,and it will be equipped with an automobile engine (Subaru with a reduction drive?).I haven't even thought it could be heavier than 450kg with me and a passenger?:) I have 68kg with leather B3 jacket
...and I don't expect my passenger to beheavier than some 80kg.That is 148kg humans, 20kg fuel, that is 292kg for the aircraft+engine+other liquids.I hope it should not be a problem to achieve 
--------My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes
Hi, I am building a Pietenpol GN-1 in the Czech Republic (Central Europe) as anULLa aircraft. Metal construction of fuselage and tail surfaces. Wooden wing,and it will be equipped with an automobile engine (Subaru with a reduction drive?).I haven't even thought it could be heavier than 450kg with me and a passenger?:) I have 68kg with leather B3 jacket
...and I don't expect my passenger to beheavier than some 80kg.That is 148kg humans, 20kg fuel, that is 292kg for the aircraft+engine+other liquids.I hope it should not be a problem to achieve --------My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanesPietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes
Original Posted By: "Chris Rusch"
Great shot Chris, as you know I love the paint scheme! How is you testing going?Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Apr 9, 2014, at 1:58 PM, "Chris Rusch" wrote:> > > I used Carlson on both as well.....> > --------> NX321LR> Now test flying!!> Mitsubishi Powered> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 832#421832> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3479_152.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes
Great shot Chris, as you know I love the paint scheme! How is you testing going?Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Apr 9, 2014, at 1:58 PM, "Chris Rusch" wrote:> > > I used Carlson on both as well.....> > --------> NX321LR> Now test flying!!> Mitsubishi Powered> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 832#421832> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3479_152.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes
Pietenpol-List: Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992
Original Posted By: "tools"
Thanks for the nice comments guys! We had the worst winter in 30 yrs up here, sothe pietenpol has been out of my mind for months.....went to the hanger andlooked her over last night and she survived the winter! Now im getting the bugagain, so testing will resume very soon. I did attempt making a different propover the winter on my fancy CNC stuff and made scrap out of the first attempt,but now i know what we did wrong, so once I get some more boards glued up,well give her another try. I will keep posting on the list with my test results.PS to fill the void not having a pietenpol to work on every day, i built this motorcycle.......almostdone !!--------NX321LRNow test flying!!Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992lb)
Thanks for the nice comments guys! We had the worst winter in 30 yrs up here, sothe pietenpol has been out of my mind for months.....went to the hanger andlooked her over last night and she survived the winter! Now im getting the bugagain, so testing will resume very soon. I did attempt making a different propover the winter on my fancy CNC stuff and made scrap out of the first attempt,but now i know what we did wrong, so once I get some more boards glued up,well give her another try. I will keep posting on the list with my test results.PS to fill the void not having a pietenpol to work on every day, i built this motorcycle.......almostdone !!--------NX321LRNow test flying!!Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992lb)
Original Posted By: Keith
Who knows WHAT I'm gonna hear for saying this... but do you need LSA or unltralight?There's a experimental balled a Bakeng Deuce. I think it's a really eyepleasing design. Made for 125 to 150hp I think and quite a bit larger cockpits.It's typical cloth covered steel fuse and wood wing, but you could easily put jennygear on, wood struts, change the shape of rudders and stabs to give it amore Piet like appearance and feel.I'm not a huge fan of changing designs... but if it suits your needs, might beworth considering!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:54:03 +0100
Who knows WHAT I'm gonna hear for saying this... but do you need LSA or unltralight?There's a experimental balled a Bakeng Deuce. I think it's a really eyepleasing design. Made for 125 to 150hp I think and quite a bit larger cockpits.It's typical cloth covered steel fuse and wood wing, but you could easily put jennygear on, wood struts, change the shape of rudders and stabs to give it amore Piet like appearance and feel.I'm not a huge fan of changing designs... but if it suits your needs, might beworth considering!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:54:03 +0100