Original Posted By: larharris2 Harris
Those long gussets mounted behind the 1/4 floor puzzle me. I dont see where theyare doing much. It also appears that some have not installed them on theirprojects. John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Long Floor Gussets
Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
Original Posted By: "john francis"
You could have gone all day without comparing anything Pietenpol to Obama Care!--------L.V.WilliamsXCG, XCMR, ATPUSHPA, EAA, AMA, EPPRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
You could have gone all day without comparing anything Pietenpol to Obama Care!--------L.V.WilliamsXCG, XCMR, ATPUSHPA, EAA, AMA, EPPRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
Lorenza, thanks for the thoughts. How did you handle the transition from the 1/4flooring to the 1/8 gussets?--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
Lorenza, thanks for the thoughts. How did you handle the transition from the 1/4flooring to the 1/8 gussets?--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
The bottom longeron is in tension so the plywood reinforcement caps adds additionalstrength. If you butt the 1/8 ply to the 1/4 plywood that would be the weakestfailure point of high stress. The correct way would be to splice the jointor reinforce the joint with an overlapping piece of plywood. You could alsodo that by pocketing out the 1/4 ply to make an insert for the 1/8 ply stripto set into.There is more tension on the bottom longeron while on the ground then in the air.Right behind the rear cockpit it the highest failure point of the fuselage.So I would add them.Just my 2 worth.WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
The bottom longeron is in tension so the plywood reinforcement caps adds additionalstrength. If you butt the 1/8 ply to the 1/4 plywood that would be the weakestfailure point of high stress. The correct way would be to splice the jointor reinforce the joint with an overlapping piece of plywood. You could alsodo that by pocketing out the 1/4 ply to make an insert for the 1/8 ply stripto set into.There is more tension on the bottom longeron while on the ground then in the air.Right behind the rear cockpit it the highest failure point of the fuselage.So I would add them.Just my 2 worth.WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
Original Posted By: larharris2 Harris
womenfly2 wrote:> The bottom longeron is in tension so the plywood reinforcement caps adds additionalstrength. If you butt the 1/8 ply to the 1/4 plywood that would be theweakest failure point of high stress. The correct way would be to splice the jointor reinforce the joint with an overlapping piece of plywood. You could alsodo that by pocketing out the 1/4 ply to make an insert for the 1/8 ply stripto set into hereby making the overlapping joint.> > There is more tension on the bottom longeron while on the ground then in theair. Right behind the rear cockpit is the highest failure point of the fuselage.So I would add them.> > Just my 2 worth.> WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
womenfly2 wrote:> The bottom longeron is in tension so the plywood reinforcement caps adds additionalstrength. If you butt the 1/8 ply to the 1/4 plywood that would be theweakest failure point of high stress. The correct way would be to splice the jointor reinforce the joint with an overlapping piece of plywood. You could alsodo that by pocketing out the 1/4 ply to make an insert for the 1/8 ply stripto set into hereby making the overlapping joint.> > There is more tension on the bottom longeron while on the ground then in theair. Right behind the rear cockpit is the highest failure point of the fuselage.So I would add them.> > Just my 2 worth.> WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
Original Posted By:> Mrkringles(at)msn.com
I've got a bunch of small step transitions. I bought all the wood kits from Aircraft Spruce. Fuselage kit is a very good kit (I highly recommend the individual kits to save time and material waste dimensioning pieces yourself)=2C but a few of the pieces are not exactly what is called out in the plans. All of these non-exact pieces are larger in dimension - good for strength=2C bad for weight. Where I have a step transition=2C I am using an appropriate tool (hand chisel=2C hand plane=2C belt sander=2C hand sanding block=2C benchtop disc sander) to taper the edge of the larger piece to blend the shape smooth. Always thinking about how it will look once the fabric is wrapped around it. Always trying to shave an ounce here or there without compromising strength.Lorenzo> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
I've got a bunch of small step transitions. I bought all the wood kits from Aircraft Spruce. Fuselage kit is a very good kit (I highly recommend the individual kits to save time and material waste dimensioning pieces yourself)=2C but a few of the pieces are not exactly what is called out in the plans. All of these non-exact pieces are larger in dimension - good for strength=2C bad for weight. Where I have a step transition=2C I am using an appropriate tool (hand chisel=2C hand plane=2C belt sander=2C hand sanding block=2C benchtop disc sander) to taper the edge of the larger piece to blend the shape smooth. Always thinking about how it will look once the fabric is wrapped around it. Always trying to shave an ounce here or there without compromising strength.Lorenzo> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Long Floor Gussets
Original Posted By: danhelsper(at)aol.com
I hope to get my plane washed and the prop re-torqued this weekend. Looking forwardto it. The guys from french valley said they are going. Hopefully Oscarmakes it. That would make two new planes to attend. Clear Prop,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long Floor Gussets
I hope to get my plane washed and the prop re-torqued this weekend. Looking forwardto it. The guys from french valley said they are going. Hopefully Oscarmakes it. That would make two new planes to attend. Clear Prop,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long Floor Gussets
Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 05/20/14Count me in, the meet last year was swell. I'd like to contribute a A-65 engine mount per Bernard's design to the raffle, if anyone would be interested. It's not quite finished to keep it readily transportable. Gary Boothelooked at it when he was here. Looking forward to the meet.In a message dated 5/21/2014 12:05:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com writes:dskogrover(at)yahoo.com________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 05/20/14Count me in, the meet last year was swell. I'd like to contribute a A-65 engine mount per Bernard's design to the raffle, if anyone would be interested. It's not quite finished to keep it readily transportable. Gary Boothelooked at it when he was here. Looking forward to the meet.In a message dated 5/21/2014 12:05:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com writes:dskogrover(at)yahoo.com________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
Original Posted By: larharris2 Harris
Excellent echobravo4.In reply to Lorenzo;> Always trying to shave an ounce here or there without compromising strength.All my longerons, uprights and diagonals we routed out to an "I" profile to saveweight.Cheers,WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Excellent echobravo4.In reply to Lorenzo;> Always trying to shave an ounce here or there without compromising strength.All my longerons, uprights and diagonals we routed out to an "I" profile to saveweight.Cheers,WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________