Original Posted By: "taildrags"
The short story is that we got as far as having one pair ready to sheet with plywoodand the looong pieces of plywood scarfed together. We had previous experience building fuselages is a short time at Sun N Fun andhad plans to build all 4 floats in 7 days. Dick had the bulkheads cut out andI had the long skinny bits premade. What could go wrong? Let's just say thereare some issues with the plans. Dick is writing up the story for the BPA periodical so I won't spoil the plot butwe do have pictures (twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs withcircles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what eachone was to be used as evidence against us). For the record, it wasn't just Dick and I. Skip Gadd and Ben Chervet from thislist as well as others spent a LOT of time helping us figure out how the puzzlewent together and fabricating pieces. We just fronted the materials so wecould keep the (un)finished product.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: headsets
Pietenpol-List: headsets
Pietenpol-List: Re: wooden floats at SNF
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Okay, I have just about had it with not being able to hear the radio. I now have4 to 6 different headsets here and there around the hangar and none of themis worth a hoot in an open cockpit airplane. I'm sick and tired of fiddlingwith wires, connectors, adapters, mics, PTTs, and all the tangled mess... andstill not being able to hear comm without pulling back the throttle and leaningWAAAYYY forward into the cockpit and listening up. My little Icom IC-A23 putsout a good xmit signal (although it eats batteries fast) and I've figured outhow to use it pretty well, but I simply cannot hear well enough through theheadset. When the radio is used stand-alone on its built-in speaker and I'min the hangar, I have to crank down the volume or it's too loud... but not throughthe headset. Why? If it can fill the hangar with good, loud sound- whycan't it be heard when it's right in my ears, inside some cups?I obviously can't make a passive headset work satisfactorily so I'm ready to spendmoney on a noise reducing headset, but they all make wild claims about thisand that but nobody says anything about open cockpits. I don't want a Bose,I don't want a leather-trimmed professional pilot's headset that looks daintyand costs $$$. I need something in the David Clark style that will fit the pocketson my flying helmet, and that works. If I find one and it won't breakthe bank, I'm going to permanently install and wire a PTT on the stick to getrid of the @#$%& Velcro thing with the coiled cord that gets tangled up in myseat belt and feet. I'm going to get rid of the @#$%& two-plugs-into-two-jacks-into-Icom-adapterspaghetti mess and permanently mount a headset jack out ofthe way somewhere. And I'm going to park a 14v battery out of a UPS out of theway in the airplane but where I can clip on a battery minder when the airplaneis parked. Tired of changing AA batteries in the handheld and if the AAsare good for about 1.5 amp-hours, the UPS battery should be good for at least3x that. While I'm at it, I'll also permanently wire and mount my little Sigtronicsintercom in the airplane and be able to talk to my front-seater. If Imount all this dead weight on or near the CG, it shouldn't hurt my W&B... onlythe gross (which is hard to exceed on my airplane anyway).Anybody have any good recommendations on a headset that WORKS in open cockpitsand doesn't look like it will fall apart unless handled with kid gloves, let meknow. Thanks for listening to the rant.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wooden floats at SNF
Okay, I have just about had it with not being able to hear the radio. I now have4 to 6 different headsets here and there around the hangar and none of themis worth a hoot in an open cockpit airplane. I'm sick and tired of fiddlingwith wires, connectors, adapters, mics, PTTs, and all the tangled mess... andstill not being able to hear comm without pulling back the throttle and leaningWAAAYYY forward into the cockpit and listening up. My little Icom IC-A23 putsout a good xmit signal (although it eats batteries fast) and I've figured outhow to use it pretty well, but I simply cannot hear well enough through theheadset. When the radio is used stand-alone on its built-in speaker and I'min the hangar, I have to crank down the volume or it's too loud... but not throughthe headset. Why? If it can fill the hangar with good, loud sound- whycan't it be heard when it's right in my ears, inside some cups?I obviously can't make a passive headset work satisfactorily so I'm ready to spendmoney on a noise reducing headset, but they all make wild claims about thisand that but nobody says anything about open cockpits. I don't want a Bose,I don't want a leather-trimmed professional pilot's headset that looks daintyand costs $$$. I need something in the David Clark style that will fit the pocketson my flying helmet, and that works. If I find one and it won't breakthe bank, I'm going to permanently install and wire a PTT on the stick to getrid of the @#$%& Velcro thing with the coiled cord that gets tangled up in myseat belt and feet. I'm going to get rid of the @#$%& two-plugs-into-two-jacks-into-Icom-adapterspaghetti mess and permanently mount a headset jack out ofthe way somewhere. And I'm going to park a 14v battery out of a UPS out of theway in the airplane but where I can clip on a battery minder when the airplaneis parked. Tired of changing AA batteries in the handheld and if the AAsare good for about 1.5 amp-hours, the UPS battery should be good for at least3x that. While I'm at it, I'll also permanently wire and mount my little Sigtronicsintercom in the airplane and be able to talk to my front-seater. If Imount all this dead weight on or near the CG, it shouldn't hurt my W&B... onlythe gross (which is hard to exceed on my airplane anyway).Anybody have any good recommendations on a headset that WORKS in open cockpitsand doesn't look like it will fall apart unless handled with kid gloves, let meknow. Thanks for listening to the rant.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wooden floats at SNF
Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator & rudder hinges from square tubing sections
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Well, nice! I will look for the writeup in the BPA Newsletter! There is justas much to be learned from the *process* of building as there is from the finalproduct. In fact, much of what I've learned in life has been by taking thingsapart to see what's inside. If you let me see what's inside before you closeit up, I won't have to take it apart to find out ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator & rudder hinges from square tubing sections
Well, nice! I will look for the writeup in the BPA Newsletter! There is justas much to be learned from the *process* of building as there is from the finalproduct. In fact, much of what I've learned in life has been by taking thingsapart to see what's inside. If you let me see what's inside before you closeit up, I won't have to take it apart to find out ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator & rudder hinges from square tubing sections
Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Love Arlo!!GeneOn May 28, 2014, at 11:59 PM, "dgaldrich" wrote:> > The short story is that we got as far as having one pair ready to sheet withplywood and the looong pieces of plywood scarfed together. > > We had previous experience building fuselages is a short time at Sun N Fun andhad plans to build all 4 floats in 7 days. Dick had the bulkheads cut out andI had the long skinny bits premade. What could go wrong? Let's just say thereare some issues with the plans. > > Dick is writing up the story for the BPA periodical so I won't spoil the plotbut we do have pictures (twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs withcircles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining whateach one was to be used as evidence against us). > > For the record, it wasn't just Dick and I. Skip Gadd and Ben Chervet from thislist as well as others spent a LOT of time helping us figure out how the puzzlewent together and fabricating pieces. We just fronted the materials so wecould keep the (un)finished product.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 940#423940> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Love Arlo!!GeneOn May 28, 2014, at 11:59 PM, "dgaldrich" wrote:> > The short story is that we got as far as having one pair ready to sheet withplywood and the looong pieces of plywood scarfed together. > > We had previous experience building fuselages is a short time at Sun N Fun andhad plans to build all 4 floats in 7 days. Dick had the bulkheads cut out andI had the long skinny bits premade. What could go wrong? Let's just say thereare some issues with the plans. > > Dick is writing up the story for the BPA periodical so I won't spoil the plotbut we do have pictures (twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs withcircles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining whateach one was to be used as evidence against us). > > For the record, it wasn't just Dick and I. Skip Gadd and Ben Chervet from thislist as well as others spent a LOT of time helping us figure out how the puzzlewent together and fabricating pieces. We just fronted the materials so wecould keep the (un)finished product.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 940#423940> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Oscar,I will show you mine in a week and a half. The intercom used to work very good.It is a bit sketchy now. Everything in my system is very old and could standto be updated but is still proven and I would do it all the same again. I amusing the David Clark headsets (10-30) and a sigtronics intercom. It is theway I have it wired up that is a bit strange but works good. See you soon.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 05:31:20 -0700 (PDT)
Oscar,I will show you mine in a week and a half. The intercom used to work very good.It is a bit sketchy now. Everything in my system is very old and could standto be updated but is still proven and I would do it all the same again. I amusing the David Clark headsets (10-30) and a sigtronics intercom. It is theway I have it wired up that is a bit strange but works good. See you soon.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 05:31:20 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: headsets
Original Posted By: John Fastnaught
Terry,That looks just like the idea I had in mind. Like I frequently say - "if it isa really good idea, someone has already thought of it!". I am not too proudto copy a good idea.I think I will go with clevis pins rather than AN3 hardware. Good sugestion.Thanks all!Grant Ziebell Savannah, TNRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: headsets
Terry,That looks just like the idea I had in mind. Like I frequently say - "if it isa really good idea, someone has already thought of it!". I am not too proudto copy a good idea.I think I will go with clevis pins rather than AN3 hardware. Good sugestion.Thanks all!Grant Ziebell Savannah, TNRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: headsets
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Oscar,I'm just about to cover my Piet. I have installed a Trig radio, jacks and a 12voltbattery up front aft of the engine. Don't know the performance yet, but ithas a integrated intercom and only weighs about a pound. I'm using modified DavidClark's with ANR. The radio and intercom sounds great on the ground, flighttesting to come.JackN144JFford powered.Sent from my iPad> On May 29, 2014, at 12:20 AM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Okay, I have just about had it with not being able to hear the radio. I nowhave 4 to 6 different headsets here and there around the hangar and none of themis worth a hoot in an open cockpit airplane. I'm sick and tired of fiddlingwith wires, connectors, adapters, mics, PTTs, and all the tangled mess... andstill not being able to hear comm without pulling back the throttle and leaningWAAAYYY forward into the cockpit and listening up. My little Icom IC-A23puts out a good xmit signal (although it eats batteries fast) and I've figuredout how to use it pretty well, but I simply cannot hear well enough through theheadset. When the radio is used stand-alone on its built-in speaker and I'min the hangar, I have to crank down the volume or it's too loud... but not throughthe headset. Why? If it can fill the hangar with good, loud sound- whycan't it be heard when it's right in my ears, inside some cups?> > I obviously can't make a passive headset work satisfactorily so I'm ready tospend money on a noise reducing headset, but they all make wild claims about thisand that but nobody says anything about open cockpits. I don't want a Bose,I don't want a leather-trimmed professional pilot's headset that looks daintyand costs $$$. I need something in the David Clark style that will fit thepockets on my flying helmet, and that works. If I find one and it won't breakthe bank, I'm going to permanently install and wire a PTT on the stick to getrid of the @#$%& Velcro thing with the coiled cord that gets tangled up in myseat belt and feet. I'm going to get rid of the @#$%& two-plugs-into-two-jacks-into-Icom-adapterspaghetti mess and permanently mount a headset jack outof the way somewhere. And I'm going to park a 14v battery out of a UPS out ofthe way in the airplane but where I can clip on a battery minder when the airplaneis parked. Tired of changing AA batteries in th!> e handheld and if the AAs are good for about 1.5 amp-hours, the UPS battery shouldbe good for at least 3x that. While I'm at it, I'll also permanently wireand mount my little Sigtronics intercom in the airplane and be able to talkto my front-seater. If I mount all this dead weight on or near the CG, it shouldn'thurt my W&B... only the gross (which is hard to exceed on my airplaneanyway).> > Anybody have any good recommendations on a headset that WORKS in open cockpitsand doesn't look like it will fall apart unless handled with kid gloves, letme know. Thanks for listening to the rant.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 942#423942> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Oscar,I'm just about to cover my Piet. I have installed a Trig radio, jacks and a 12voltbattery up front aft of the engine. Don't know the performance yet, but ithas a integrated intercom and only weighs about a pound. I'm using modified DavidClark's with ANR. The radio and intercom sounds great on the ground, flighttesting to come.JackN144JFford powered.Sent from my iPad> On May 29, 2014, at 12:20 AM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Okay, I have just about had it with not being able to hear the radio. I nowhave 4 to 6 different headsets here and there around the hangar and none of themis worth a hoot in an open cockpit airplane. I'm sick and tired of fiddlingwith wires, connectors, adapters, mics, PTTs, and all the tangled mess... andstill not being able to hear comm without pulling back the throttle and leaningWAAAYYY forward into the cockpit and listening up. My little Icom IC-A23puts out a good xmit signal (although it eats batteries fast) and I've figuredout how to use it pretty well, but I simply cannot hear well enough through theheadset. When the radio is used stand-alone on its built-in speaker and I'min the hangar, I have to crank down the volume or it's too loud... but not throughthe headset. Why? If it can fill the hangar with good, loud sound- whycan't it be heard when it's right in my ears, inside some cups?> > I obviously can't make a passive headset work satisfactorily so I'm ready tospend money on a noise reducing headset, but they all make wild claims about thisand that but nobody says anything about open cockpits. I don't want a Bose,I don't want a leather-trimmed professional pilot's headset that looks daintyand costs $$$. I need something in the David Clark style that will fit thepockets on my flying helmet, and that works. If I find one and it won't breakthe bank, I'm going to permanently install and wire a PTT on the stick to getrid of the @#$%& Velcro thing with the coiled cord that gets tangled up in myseat belt and feet. I'm going to get rid of the @#$%& two-plugs-into-two-jacks-into-Icom-adapterspaghetti mess and permanently mount a headset jack outof the way somewhere. And I'm going to park a 14v battery out of a UPS out ofthe way in the airplane but where I can clip on a battery minder when the airplaneis parked. Tired of changing AA batteries in th!> e handheld and if the AAs are good for about 1.5 amp-hours, the UPS battery shouldbe good for at least 3x that. While I'm at it, I'll also permanently wireand mount my little Sigtronics intercom in the airplane and be able to talkto my front-seater. If I mount all this dead weight on or near the CG, it shouldn'thurt my W&B... only the gross (which is hard to exceed on my airplaneanyway).> > Anybody have any good recommendations on a headset that WORKS in open cockpitsand doesn't look like it will fall apart unless handled with kid gloves, letme know. Thanks for listening to the rant.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 942#423942> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Heat Muff Material
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
https://www.gulfcoastavionics.com/produ ... Oscar-this is the headset I fly with and it works out quite well with the active noise reduction feature. The mess of tanglesthat you describe is very familiar so a hardwired system is preferable, I agree but I've managed to find a good setup for my still-portablesetup.Throttling back and leaning forward to hear and FBO's airport advisory or AWOS broadcast is still part of my routine but with enough volumeon the radio and the headset volume turned up I can hear quite well during most modes of flight. I have unshielded ignition so normally I switchto one mag to help reduce ignition noise.I'm using a flexible (mounted internally behind my cockpit) AAE VHF-5 available thru ACS or Chief Aircraft.[cid:image001.png(at)01CF7B2D.5FF266A0]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heat Muff Material
https://www.gulfcoastavionics.com/produ ... Oscar-this is the headset I fly with and it works out quite well with the active noise reduction feature. The mess of tanglesthat you describe is very familiar so a hardwired system is preferable, I agree but I've managed to find a good setup for my still-portablesetup.Throttling back and leaning forward to hear and FBO's airport advisory or AWOS broadcast is still part of my routine but with enough volumeon the radio and the headset volume turned up I can hear quite well during most modes of flight. I have unshielded ignition so normally I switchto one mag to help reduce ignition noise.I'm using a flexible (mounted internally behind my cockpit) AAE VHF-5 available thru ACS or Chief Aircraft.[cid:image001.png(at)01CF7B2D.5FF266A0]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heat Muff Material
Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Mike; you might check out Mark Langford's airbox and heat muff webpage, here:http://www.n56ml.com/corvair/airbox/--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Mike; you might check out Mark Langford's airbox and heat muff webpage, here:http://www.n56ml.com/corvair/airbox/--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Thanks, everyone, for the comments and recommendations. I'm starting to do myhomework on headsets to see what might work. However, I've found the Quiet TechnologiesHalo to be an interesting solution and apparently very effective inhigh-noise cockpits. Wish I could try one out though. Anybody have experienceflying with this equipment?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 09:14:53 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks, everyone, for the comments and recommendations. I'm starting to do myhomework on headsets to see what might work. However, I've found the Quiet TechnologiesHalo to be an interesting solution and apparently very effective inhigh-noise cockpits. Wish I could try one out though. Anybody have experienceflying with this equipment?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 09:14:53 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: headsets
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: headsets
Original Posted By: Ned Lebens
I fly a Cub and some open cockpit planes plus the Piet, go for the David Clark's30-10S (Stereo) type and a Sigtronics intercom box if need be. DO NOT wasteryour money on ANR they only will work if you have a perfect fit around your earsand most of the time they do not.The David Clark's are the most popular brand in all types of flying. The companyis fantastic in customer service, 2nd to none. The 30-10S are very affordableand even go on sale.You will not be disappointed. I use them for training.WF2/CFIS--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 15:18:59 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: headsets
I fly a Cub and some open cockpit planes plus the Piet, go for the David Clark's30-10S (Stereo) type and a Sigtronics intercom box if need be. DO NOT wasteryour money on ANR they only will work if you have a perfect fit around your earsand most of the time they do not.The David Clark's are the most popular brand in all types of flying. The companyis fantastic in customer service, 2nd to none. The 30-10S are very affordableand even go on sale.You will not be disappointed. I use them for training.WF2/CFIS--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 15:18:59 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: headsets
Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Ned; thanks for the idea about the impedance matching transformer. I see thatit's rated 1000 ohms on the other side, but it's center-tapped on that winding.Could I not use one leg and the center tap and then have 500 : 8 (which iscloser to 150 : 8)? In reading about some of the problems with headset volume,I did see that there were people who found that their headset receivers had300 ohms impedance, but I didn't think mine would have that problem until I keptreading and found that most headsets weren't designed for use with portabledevices. And of course the manufacturers don't list all the specs on their headsets.For as cheap as the transformer is, I can sure wire up a homebrew dealto test it. A jack, a plug, some shielded audio cable, the transformer, and...more spaghetti in the cockpit ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Ned; thanks for the idea about the impedance matching transformer. I see thatit's rated 1000 ohms on the other side, but it's center-tapped on that winding.Could I not use one leg and the center tap and then have 500 : 8 (which iscloser to 150 : 8)? In reading about some of the problems with headset volume,I did see that there were people who found that their headset receivers had300 ohms impedance, but I didn't think mine would have that problem until I keptreading and found that most headsets weren't designed for use with portabledevices. And of course the manufacturers don't list all the specs on their headsets.For as cheap as the transformer is, I can sure wire up a homebrew dealto test it. A jack, a plug, some shielded audio cable, the transformer, and...more spaghetti in the cockpit ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Pietenpol-List: Re: Heat Muff Material
Original Posted By: "tkreiner"
By the way, if anyone is interested in hearing sort of what I'm experiencing (and how much it stands to be improved), you can go to the Quiet Technologies website, http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ , and click on the 'Simulator' button on the left. There are 7 simulated in-cockpit scenarios that you can pick. The first one is unattenuated cockpit noise in an enclosed cabin airplane and it's pretty much what I hear in my airplane with earmuffs on. I would be VERY happy if I could get what the second simulation is, which is with passive headsets. Everything else is just gravy.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heat Muff Material
By the way, if anyone is interested in hearing sort of what I'm experiencing (and how much it stands to be improved), you can go to the Quiet Technologies website, http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ , and click on the 'Simulator' button on the left. There are 7 simulated in-cockpit scenarios that you can pick. The first one is unattenuated cockpit noise in an enclosed cabin airplane and it's pretty much what I hear in my airplane with earmuffs on. I would be VERY happy if I could get what the second simulation is, which is with passive headsets. Everything else is just gravy.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heat Muff Material
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: Ned Lebens
Mike,I could be wrong... but it appears that the heat muff shown in the pics is actuallystainless steel, not aluminum. Due to the specific heat of the two metals,SS would be preferable in the heat muff, as it doesn't allow heat energy topass thru it as readily as aluminum.A little more difficult to work with, but, it's a learning experience...--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 20:13:10 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Mike,I could be wrong... but it appears that the heat muff shown in the pics is actuallystainless steel, not aluminum. Due to the specific heat of the two metals,SS would be preferable in the heat muff, as it doesn't allow heat energy topass thru it as readily as aluminum.A little more difficult to work with, but, it's a learning experience...--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 20:13:10 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Oscar,I have both the Quiet Technologies (Halos) and the Clarity Aloft in-the-ear headsets.I have used both these and my Bose ANR headsets in the Cub and in my Sonex.Both the Halo and the Clarity are actually better than the Bose headsetfor noise reduction. But, the Clarity set is MUCH better than the Halos! I thinkthe difference is because the Halos have the speaker in the headband with"tubes" going to the foam ear plug. The Clarity actually puts the speaker in theear. The "tubes", I think, pick up the outside sounds and let it enter theear along with the transmitted radio sounds. The Clarity set transmits to theear ONLY the radio transmission.The trick with the Clarity set is to roll the foam ear plug, moisten it, and getit placed deeply in the era. The foam then expands and blocks out the exteriorsounds.The weak point of the Clarity set is that the speaker goes deeply into the earand to removed it, one tends to pull it out with the relatively fragile connectingwire. I have pulled the wire out of the ear piece twice! But each time theowner (forgot his name) has repaired the set for free. He's a GREAT GUY!Several years ago I asked him about molded ear pieces, but he said they were notas good at excluding extraneous noise. I see on the internet now that severalpeople make the molded ear pieces for the Clarity set. I plan to order thesefor a test pretty soon.The mic on the Clarity is excellent and excludes most noises. It can be improvedby cupping ones hand over the mic while transmitting. But even without yourhand, I think it is better than the Bose.I have a leather helmet, (always planning ahead!), and the Clarity works well withit. There is no headband, only a small wire around the back of your headthat holds the mic. Once it is on and the ear speakers are placed in the ear,just slip on the leather helmet. You can't even tell the headset on on.I have not tried the Clarity with my A-24 hand held, but will try it and let youknow. Hope it works.Hope this helps,Ray KrauseOh yea, I added a 12 V Oddessy battery to the fire wall of my SkyScout to run theradio and two instruments. I ran a charging outlet that I can get to throughthe cowl. Hope this does not constituent an "electrical system". No on boardcharging system.Sent from my iPad> On May 29, 2014, at 9:14 AM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Thanks, everyone, for the comments and recommendations. I'm starting to do myhomework on headsets to see what might work. However, I've found the QuietTechnologies Halo to be an interesting solution and apparently very effectivein high-noise cockpits. Wish I could try one out though. Anybody have experienceflying with this equipment?> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 972#423972> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 04:02:16 -0700 (PDT)
Oscar,I have both the Quiet Technologies (Halos) and the Clarity Aloft in-the-ear headsets.I have used both these and my Bose ANR headsets in the Cub and in my Sonex.Both the Halo and the Clarity are actually better than the Bose headsetfor noise reduction. But, the Clarity set is MUCH better than the Halos! I thinkthe difference is because the Halos have the speaker in the headband with"tubes" going to the foam ear plug. The Clarity actually puts the speaker in theear. The "tubes", I think, pick up the outside sounds and let it enter theear along with the transmitted radio sounds. The Clarity set transmits to theear ONLY the radio transmission.The trick with the Clarity set is to roll the foam ear plug, moisten it, and getit placed deeply in the era. The foam then expands and blocks out the exteriorsounds.The weak point of the Clarity set is that the speaker goes deeply into the earand to removed it, one tends to pull it out with the relatively fragile connectingwire. I have pulled the wire out of the ear piece twice! But each time theowner (forgot his name) has repaired the set for free. He's a GREAT GUY!Several years ago I asked him about molded ear pieces, but he said they were notas good at excluding extraneous noise. I see on the internet now that severalpeople make the molded ear pieces for the Clarity set. I plan to order thesefor a test pretty soon.The mic on the Clarity is excellent and excludes most noises. It can be improvedby cupping ones hand over the mic while transmitting. But even without yourhand, I think it is better than the Bose.I have a leather helmet, (always planning ahead!), and the Clarity works well withit. There is no headband, only a small wire around the back of your headthat holds the mic. Once it is on and the ear speakers are placed in the ear,just slip on the leather helmet. You can't even tell the headset on on.I have not tried the Clarity with my A-24 hand held, but will try it and let youknow. Hope it works.Hope this helps,Ray KrauseOh yea, I added a 12 V Oddessy battery to the fire wall of my SkyScout to run theradio and two instruments. I ran a charging outlet that I can get to throughthe cowl. Hope this does not constituent an "electrical system". No on boardcharging system.Sent from my iPad> On May 29, 2014, at 9:14 AM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Thanks, everyone, for the comments and recommendations. I'm starting to do myhomework on headsets to see what might work. However, I've found the QuietTechnologies Halo to be an interesting solution and apparently very effectivein high-noise cockpits. Wish I could try one out though. Anybody have experienceflying with this equipment?> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 972#423972> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 04:02:16 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Heat Muff Material
Original Posted By: "tkreiner"
One more thing to consider. This is sort of the "inbetweener" method between theplans and what Bill R. did on his most recent Piet. He mentioned he had a dickens of a time getting the holes to line up, apparentlythe distance between the holes just making that a tougher chore than when they'revery close together. It's possible it was just because you have to line up 4 holes rather than threeand you have to get the increased length hinge pin parallel to the base to preventbinding. His holes were probably two inches, he used strap with the ends bent up, a verysimilar idea requiring no welding and having increased bearing area as well.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heat Muff Material
One more thing to consider. This is sort of the "inbetweener" method between theplans and what Bill R. did on his most recent Piet. He mentioned he had a dickens of a time getting the holes to line up, apparentlythe distance between the holes just making that a tougher chore than when they'revery close together. It's possible it was just because you have to line up 4 holes rather than threeand you have to get the increased length hinge pin parallel to the base to preventbinding. His holes were probably two inches, he used strap with the ends bent up, a verysimilar idea requiring no welding and having increased bearing area as well.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heat Muff Material
Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Mike,Well after reading your reply, I went back, took another look at the bent up heatmuff, and it is, indeed an SS part from Wicks... For the reasons I mentioned.For a cowled application Al would probably be OK, but for a loosely cowledengine, an Al muff might lose too much heat to provide sufficient carb heat.Your mileage may vary....Just my $ .02--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Mike,Well after reading your reply, I went back, took another look at the bent up heatmuff, and it is, indeed an SS part from Wicks... For the reasons I mentioned.For a cowled application Al would probably be OK, but for a loosely cowledengine, an Al muff might lose too much heat to provide sufficient carb heat.Your mileage may vary....Just my $ .02--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Okay, so I may have a new best friend on this list (Ned, who gave me the idea totry this). I picked up a few bits at Radio Shack and cobbled up a little impedancematching setup to try with my headset. Pay no attention to the materialsor workmanship... this is just a test. But wowza-! Yes indeed, it does boostthe volume through the receivers! So it worked while sitting at my backpatio waiting for the soldering pencil to cool off and it worked well enough thatI had to crank the volume down a couple of notches. I hope to go flying todayand see how it works in the air. News at 10... picture of the little homebrewbox attached.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... __________
Okay, so I may have a new best friend on this list (Ned, who gave me the idea totry this). I picked up a few bits at Radio Shack and cobbled up a little impedancematching setup to try with my headset. Pay no attention to the materialsor workmanship... this is just a test. But wowza-! Yes indeed, it does boostthe volume through the receivers! So it worked while sitting at my backpatio waiting for the soldering pencil to cool off and it worked well enough thatI had to crank the volume down a couple of notches. I hope to go flying todayand see how it works in the air. News at 10... picture of the little homebrewbox attached.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
How about a schematic si I can build one?Thanks,Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On May 31, 2014, at 9:50 AM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Okay, so I may have a new best friend on this list (Ned, who gave me the ideato try this). I picked up a few bits at Radio Shack and cobbled up a littleimpedance matching setup to try with my headset. Pay no attention to the materialsor workmanship... this is just a test. But wowza-! Yes indeed, it doesboost the volume through the receivers! So it worked while sitting at my backpatio waiting for the soldering pencil to cool off and it worked well enoughthat I had to crank the volume down a couple of notches. I hope to go flyingtoday and see how it works in the air. News at 10... picture of the little homebrewbox attached.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 121#424121> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3116_117.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
How about a schematic si I can build one?Thanks,Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On May 31, 2014, at 9:50 AM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Okay, so I may have a new best friend on this list (Ned, who gave me the ideato try this). I picked up a few bits at Radio Shack and cobbled up a littleimpedance matching setup to try with my headset. Pay no attention to the materialsor workmanship... this is just a test. But wowza-! Yes indeed, it doesboost the volume through the receivers! So it worked while sitting at my backpatio waiting for the soldering pencil to cool off and it worked well enoughthat I had to crank the volume down a couple of notches. I hope to go flyingtoday and see how it works in the air. News at 10... picture of the little homebrewbox attached.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 121#424121> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3116_117.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Ray; there's really nothing to it, but I'll sketch up a schematic and post it.After giving it a little more thought, maybe instead of dismantling this uglyduckling impedance matcher, I'll mail it to anybody who is curious to try itout on their headset if you're using a handheld. It's less than $10 worth ofRadio Shack parts, although the factory-made units are over $130. If you're usinga panel-mount com, it's likely that the radio is already looking for thehigher impedance of a headset and you don't need to do anything, but apparentlyhandhelds and portable equipment use lower impedance audio output. I'm reallycurious to see if Mike Cuy's headset picks up some volume with it. Ray, ifyou'd like to try it out just send me your postal address and I'll mail it toyou to play with. Find a continuously broadcasting station like ATIS, put onyour headset as usual, note the headset volume, and then insert the matcherbetween your radio and headset to see if the volume increases.I flew with the setup today and I could hear Tower perfectly without leaning forwardbehind the windscreen or backing off the throttle! It's obvious that itneeds shielded wiring and needs to be enclosed because I hadn't had any problemwith ATC hearing me before, but now they say I'm scratchy and weak and theonly thing that changed was me inserting the impedance matcher in line with theheadset so it must be letting ignition noise or other interference in. I'llfabricate a proper one now, and see if the interference goes away if I use shieldedwiring and an enclosed metal box for it.Ned: thanks again!--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Ray; there's really nothing to it, but I'll sketch up a schematic and post it.After giving it a little more thought, maybe instead of dismantling this uglyduckling impedance matcher, I'll mail it to anybody who is curious to try itout on their headset if you're using a handheld. It's less than $10 worth ofRadio Shack parts, although the factory-made units are over $130. If you're usinga panel-mount com, it's likely that the radio is already looking for thehigher impedance of a headset and you don't need to do anything, but apparentlyhandhelds and portable equipment use lower impedance audio output. I'm reallycurious to see if Mike Cuy's headset picks up some volume with it. Ray, ifyou'd like to try it out just send me your postal address and I'll mail it toyou to play with. Find a continuously broadcasting station like ATIS, put onyour headset as usual, note the headset volume, and then insert the matcherbetween your radio and headset to see if the volume increases.I flew with the setup today and I could hear Tower perfectly without leaning forwardbehind the windscreen or backing off the throttle! It's obvious that itneeds shielded wiring and needs to be enclosed because I hadn't had any problemwith ATC hearing me before, but now they say I'm scratchy and weak and theonly thing that changed was me inserting the impedance matcher in line with theheadset so it must be letting ignition noise or other interference in. I'llfabricate a proper one now, and see if the interference goes away if I use shieldedwiring and an enclosed metal box for it.Ned: thanks again!--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: Ned Lebens
Oscar,You are a great guy! Thanks for such a generous offer. I will try my various headsetswith my hand held in the next few days and see if there is any differencesamong them. Then, when I get the Aeronca back from its annual, I will tryall that stuff in the plane. Nothing seems to work with the radio in the Aeronca!But my Clarity Aloft in-the-ear headset works great in the Aeronca with justthe intercom. When the radio is in the loop, it is terrible. I just made a set of shielded ignition wires for the Aeronca by placing a pieceof mesh shield covering (from ACS) over each wire, then covering it with heatshrink. The shielding is then grounded on the magneto end to the magneto. Iwill still be using the same non- shielded plugs (trying to stay as original aspossible, at least original looking!). If this does not eliminate the ignitionnoise, I will go to an ACS shielded harness and shielded plugs. Whichever systemworks, I will use on the A-65 in my SkyScout when it is done.If all this fails, I will ask to barrow your "gender mender". And "Thanks, Ned"!I will be in contact. Hope you make it to Frazier Lake next Saturday.Thanks,RaySent from my iPad> On May 31, 2014, at 8:00 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Ray; there's really nothing to it, but I'll sketch up a schematic and post it.After giving it a little more thought, maybe instead of dismantling this uglyduckling impedance matcher, I'll mail it to anybody who is curious to try itout on their headset if you're using a handheld. It's less than $10 worth ofRadio Shack parts, although the factory-made units are over $130. If you'reusing a panel-mount com, it's likely that the radio is already looking for thehigher impedance of a headset and you don't need to do anything, but apparentlyhandhelds and portable equipment use lower impedance audio output. I'm reallycurious to see if Mike Cuy's headset picks up some volume with it. Ray,if you'd like to try it out just send me your postal address and I'll mail itto you to play with. Find a continuously broadcasting station like ATIS, puton your headset as usual, note the headset volume, and then insert the matcherbetween your radio and headset to see if the volume !> increases.> > I flew with the setup today and I could hear Tower perfectly without leaningforward behind the windscreen or backing off the throttle! It's obvious thatit needs shielded wiring and needs to be enclosed because I hadn't had any problemwith ATC hearing me before, but now they say I'm scratchy and weak and theonly thing that changed was me inserting the impedance matcher in line withthe headset so it must be letting ignition noise or other interference in. I'llfabricate a proper one now, and see if the interference goes away if I useshielded wiring and an enclosed metal box for it.> > Ned: thanks again!> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 135#424135> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 22:43:05 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Oscar,You are a great guy! Thanks for such a generous offer. I will try my various headsetswith my hand held in the next few days and see if there is any differencesamong them. Then, when I get the Aeronca back from its annual, I will tryall that stuff in the plane. Nothing seems to work with the radio in the Aeronca!But my Clarity Aloft in-the-ear headset works great in the Aeronca with justthe intercom. When the radio is in the loop, it is terrible. I just made a set of shielded ignition wires for the Aeronca by placing a pieceof mesh shield covering (from ACS) over each wire, then covering it with heatshrink. The shielding is then grounded on the magneto end to the magneto. Iwill still be using the same non- shielded plugs (trying to stay as original aspossible, at least original looking!). If this does not eliminate the ignitionnoise, I will go to an ACS shielded harness and shielded plugs. Whichever systemworks, I will use on the A-65 in my SkyScout when it is done.If all this fails, I will ask to barrow your "gender mender". And "Thanks, Ned"!I will be in contact. Hope you make it to Frazier Lake next Saturday.Thanks,RaySent from my iPad> On May 31, 2014, at 8:00 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Ray; there's really nothing to it, but I'll sketch up a schematic and post it.After giving it a little more thought, maybe instead of dismantling this uglyduckling impedance matcher, I'll mail it to anybody who is curious to try itout on their headset if you're using a handheld. It's less than $10 worth ofRadio Shack parts, although the factory-made units are over $130. If you'reusing a panel-mount com, it's likely that the radio is already looking for thehigher impedance of a headset and you don't need to do anything, but apparentlyhandhelds and portable equipment use lower impedance audio output. I'm reallycurious to see if Mike Cuy's headset picks up some volume with it. Ray,if you'd like to try it out just send me your postal address and I'll mail itto you to play with. Find a continuously broadcasting station like ATIS, puton your headset as usual, note the headset volume, and then insert the matcherbetween your radio and headset to see if the volume !> increases.> > I flew with the setup today and I could hear Tower perfectly without leaningforward behind the windscreen or backing off the throttle! It's obvious thatit needs shielded wiring and needs to be enclosed because I hadn't had any problemwith ATC hearing me before, but now they say I'm scratchy and weak and theonly thing that changed was me inserting the impedance matcher in line withthe headset so it must be letting ignition noise or other interference in. I'llfabricate a proper one now, and see if the interference goes away if I useshielded wiring and an enclosed metal box for it.> > Ned: thanks again!> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 135#424135> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 22:43:05 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
just got a email supposedly from paypal asking to confirm account information - if you view the source it is full of Pietenpol blog information ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
just got a email supposedly from paypal asking to confirm account information - if you view the source it is full of Pietenpol blog information ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Oscar,Good call. We will meet you next year. Looks like you found a competent A&P. Hangon to him. How about you driving down. It would still be a legal move and youwouldn't get shamed. Think about it. We'd love to have you there. Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets
Oscar,Good call. We will meet you next year. Looks like you found a competent A&P. Hangon to him. How about you driving down. It would still be a legal move and youwouldn't get shamed. Think about it. We'd love to have you there. Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: headsets