Original Posted By: Hans van der Voort
Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Chris,You failed to mention that your brother flew with me to the fly in. We had a blast.About 60 airplanes there. When we were leaving someone came up to me andasked if it was my plane. I answered with a yes. He said follow me. Now this is where it gets strange and I'm sure a first for any Pietenpol anywhere.They gave me a second place plaque in the "Contemporary Class". They saidbecause of the year we built it. I found and it very humorous and I was honoredat the same time. See you all this weekend. I'll be there on Friday afternoon with bugs in my teeth.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Chris,You failed to mention that your brother flew with me to the fly in. We had a blast.About 60 airplanes there. When we were leaving someone came up to me andasked if it was my plane. I answered with a yes. He said follow me. Now this is where it gets strange and I'm sure a first for any Pietenpol anywhere.They gave me a second place plaque in the "Contemporary Class". They saidbecause of the year we built it. I found and it very humorous and I was honoredat the same time. See you all this weekend. I'll be there on Friday afternoon with bugs in my teeth.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Original Posted By: Dennis Vetter
Mike,With that engine and the availability of said parts I don't see a reason to usethe 1/8 inch stuff. I'll say it again. There has never been an inflight structuralfailure of a Piet. Just make sure you use jury struts. The cables you areasking about are there to keep the wing square on the fuselage. That is theirbig job. Mr Pietenpol was a very smart man. Keep up the good work. Other opinions are most certainly welcome.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 21:58:41 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Mike,With that engine and the availability of said parts I don't see a reason to usethe 1/8 inch stuff. I'll say it again. There has never been an inflight structuralfailure of a Piet. Just make sure you use jury struts. The cables you areasking about are there to keep the wing square on the fuselage. That is theirbig job. Mr Pietenpol was a very smart man. Keep up the good work. Other opinions are most certainly welcome.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 21:58:41 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
I am greatly intrigued by those ailerons! They look like Frise style, and in anycase those are the stubbiest aileron control horns I've seen on any of thesePiet or Grega airplanes.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
I am greatly intrigued by those ailerons! They look like Frise style, and in anycase those are the stubbiest aileron control horns I've seen on any of thesePiet or Grega airplanes.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Good eye Oscar,My airplane is a bit of a hybrid. The wings are built from cub parts using the"Reed Clipped Wing Cub Plans" with Piet type wing tips. It has a great roll rateand the ailerons are as you describe. I have a very different snowflake. Ithink snowflake is how Mike Cuy describes them.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Good eye Oscar,My airplane is a bit of a hybrid. The wings are built from cub parts using the"Reed Clipped Wing Cub Plans" with Piet type wing tips. It has a great roll rateand the ailerons are as you describe. I have a very different snowflake. Ithink snowflake is how Mike Cuy describes them.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Mine is Corvair powered and 3/32 throughout...everything! No broken cables yet...GaryNX308MBSent from my iPhone> On Jun 2, 2014, at 8:28 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > I had never noticed that there is a difference between the plans and common practice.Hmmm... I've always looked at my 1/8" brace cables and gotten a warmfuzzy feeling from them keeping everything square and taut out there. They twangwith a nice low 'thummm' that sounds strong to me. I checked the catalogstrength and 1/8" provides twice the breaking strength (2000 lbs) as 3/32" (1000).If you figure each of the four wires is about 10' long and the differencein weight is about .012 lb/ft, you're looking at a total difference of abouta half-pound between using the two different diameters. Maybe a bit more ifyou figure the thimbles and nicopress sleeves for the two sizes.> > It's your call. I'd be curious to hear from any others who are flying Pietswith the smaller diameter wires. And like Scott, I would say if you're flyinga higher-powered ship, go with the 1/8". Drag increases as the square of velocity,so if an A65 Piet cruises at 65 and a Corvair Piet cruises at 75, the CorvairPiet will experience 33% higher drag force, theoretically. If the 3/32"wire had a safety factor of 2 on the A65 Piet, with higher cruise drag on thewings the safety factor would decrease to about 1.5 if the A65 was replacedwith a Corvair. Or something like that.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 260#424260> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Mine is Corvair powered and 3/32 throughout...everything! No broken cables yet...GaryNX308MBSent from my iPhone> On Jun 2, 2014, at 8:28 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > I had never noticed that there is a difference between the plans and common practice.Hmmm... I've always looked at my 1/8" brace cables and gotten a warmfuzzy feeling from them keeping everything square and taut out there. They twangwith a nice low 'thummm' that sounds strong to me. I checked the catalogstrength and 1/8" provides twice the breaking strength (2000 lbs) as 3/32" (1000).If you figure each of the four wires is about 10' long and the differencein weight is about .012 lb/ft, you're looking at a total difference of abouta half-pound between using the two different diameters. Maybe a bit more ifyou figure the thimbles and nicopress sleeves for the two sizes.> > It's your call. I'd be curious to hear from any others who are flying Pietswith the smaller diameter wires. And like Scott, I would say if you're flyinga higher-powered ship, go with the 1/8". Drag increases as the square of velocity,so if an A65 Piet cruises at 65 and a Corvair Piet cruises at 75, the CorvairPiet will experience 33% higher drag force, theoretically. If the 3/32"wire had a safety factor of 2 on the A65 Piet, with higher cruise drag on thewings the safety factor would decrease to about 1.5 if the A65 was replacedwith a Corvair. Or something like that.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 260#424260> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Original Posted By: "Catdesigns"
Douwe! I see you must have landed at Dewey Davenport's Airport where he keeps his Pietenpol, Champ and Travel Air 4000 eh?Dewey was at the same air show I was at two weekends ago----Lorain Co. Air Show, Ohio and his orange and white Travel Air is GORGEOUS!!!Mike C.[cid:image001.png(at)01CF7F27.DECF1880][cid:image002.png(at)01CF7F27.DECF1880]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Douwe! I see you must have landed at Dewey Davenport's Airport where he keeps his Pietenpol, Champ and Travel Air 4000 eh?Dewey was at the same air show I was at two weekends ago----Lorain Co. Air Show, Ohio and his orange and white Travel Air is GORGEOUS!!!Mike C.[cid:image001.png(at)01CF7F27.DECF1880][cid:image002.png(at)01CF7F27.DECF1880]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Steve This list/research was done in 2003.http://nx770cg.com/Accidents.html------ ... Sacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Steve This list/research was done in 2003.http://nx770cg.com/Accidents.html------ ... Sacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
Thanks.... Data and knowledge of those who came before us is very helpful. Hope to not everbe part of one of these accident lists...!J--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks.... Data and knowledge of those who came before us is very helpful. Hope to not everbe part of one of these accident lists...!J--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type