Original Posted By: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
There is one less fly-in now, as many of you know. The SAA (Sport Aviation Association) has ceased to be, per e-newsletter to members from Paul Poberezny a week or two ago. The SAA fly-in at Frasca Field will no longer be held. So... something else should step up and replace it, right? Something off a grass strip, family-friendly, no airshow, no commercial advertisements or bizjets.Oscar Zuniga (SAA #1001)San Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: fly-ins
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering
Original Posted By: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gatheringYou can count me in. I am one state away in PA.Ron________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gatheringYou can count me in. I am one state away in PA.Ron________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fly-ins
Original Posted By: "antique airplane assoc."
hello my name is Ben Taylor and i wanted to let you all know that my grandfatherhas lit a fire under my butt to get this pietenpol thing going again for thoseof you who don't know what this is it is a newsletter that we the antique airplaneassociation put out on an irregular basis more on this later it is a strictlyprinted newsletter usually 16 pages full of pietenpol stuff from memberprojects to tech tips and stories of piet travels we just got done with onea couple of months ago and if anyone is interested in joining i will send youa sample copy all you got to do is email me your address and it will be on yourdoor step within a week or so now back to the irregular part this magazine isput together with articles and stories written for the most part by the membershipwe have three piets here on antique airfield my grandfathers model A aircamperwich is an original kit put out by bernard in the thirties wich i am restoringwe have a model A powered scout which belongs to the airpower museumand the museum also just aquired another aircamper this fall which i believe isa grega model with a continental and a steel tube fuselagenow down to the important stuff if you just can't wait to get your membership startedhere are all the details you could ever wantsend 18.00 dollars US for three issues P.O. box 127 Blakesburg, IA 52536we also have copies of our back issues which go back to the late seventies forsale for all of them it is 37.00 dollars if you would like a list of these letme know you can reach me at work @641-938-2773 or just drop me a note to theabove addressi want to let everyone know that this isn't a yearly membership the eighteen dollarsis for three issues and we only put out a newsletter when we have enoughmaterial to do so so if you would like to contribute please dothanks ben taylor--------ben taylorRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fly-ins
hello my name is Ben Taylor and i wanted to let you all know that my grandfatherhas lit a fire under my butt to get this pietenpol thing going again for thoseof you who don't know what this is it is a newsletter that we the antique airplaneassociation put out on an irregular basis more on this later it is a strictlyprinted newsletter usually 16 pages full of pietenpol stuff from memberprojects to tech tips and stories of piet travels we just got done with onea couple of months ago and if anyone is interested in joining i will send youa sample copy all you got to do is email me your address and it will be on yourdoor step within a week or so now back to the irregular part this magazine isput together with articles and stories written for the most part by the membershipwe have three piets here on antique airfield my grandfathers model A aircamperwich is an original kit put out by bernard in the thirties wich i am restoringwe have a model A powered scout which belongs to the airpower museumand the museum also just aquired another aircamper this fall which i believe isa grega model with a continental and a steel tube fuselagenow down to the important stuff if you just can't wait to get your membership startedhere are all the details you could ever wantsend 18.00 dollars US for three issues P.O. box 127 Blakesburg, IA 52536we also have copies of our back issues which go back to the late seventies forsale for all of them it is 37.00 dollars if you would like a list of these letme know you can reach me at work @641-938-2773 or just drop me a note to theabove addressi want to let everyone know that this isn't a yearly membership the eighteen dollarsis for three issues and we only put out a newsletter when we have enoughmaterial to do so so if you would like to contribute please dothanks ben taylor--------ben taylorRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fly-ins
Pietenpol-List: fly-ins
Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
Mike=99s right=94I do lots of Piet posting here at work but my rigs are on auto pilotJ=C2-=C2-=C2- (well actually they are)=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-Usually Mike asks me about doing something on a Pietenpol that I=99ve never heard of or =C2-considered so I usually am of no helpto him whatsoever except to say =9Cthat=99s outside of my realm of knowledge Mike=94yer on your own there.=9D=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-I=99m a plainvanilla kind of Piet builder but Mike has a very creative mind and comes up with some very unique approaches to almosteach part of the airplane.=C2-=C2- Bernard must be spinning rapidly in his grave:J=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- That=99s what homebuilding is all about tho=94wealways learn something neat from other builders when they come up with new ideas or looks. =C2-An now I MUST get back to work as my boss will be checking in around 4 pm !=C2-Mike C. =C2-=C2-________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: fly-ins
Mike=99s right=94I do lots of Piet posting here at work but my rigs are on auto pilotJ=C2-=C2-=C2- (well actually they are)=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-Usually Mike asks me about doing something on a Pietenpol that I=99ve never heard of or =C2-considered so I usually am of no helpto him whatsoever except to say =9Cthat=99s outside of my realm of knowledge Mike=94yer on your own there.=9D=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-I=99m a plainvanilla kind of Piet builder but Mike has a very creative mind and comes up with some very unique approaches to almosteach part of the airplane.=C2-=C2- Bernard must be spinning rapidly in his grave:J=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- That=99s what homebuilding is all about tho=94wealways learn something neat from other builders when they come up with new ideas or looks. =C2-An now I MUST get back to work as my boss will be checking in around 4 pm !=C2-Mike C. =C2-=C2-________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: fly-ins
Re: Pietenpol-List: fly-ins
Original Posted By: Douwe Blumberg
Douwe, I'm not going to be able to make Brodhead this year. I'm in partnership in another airplane which we've sold but the pre-buy inspection discovered some engine problems, and that is going to keep me here in Virginia dealing with that. Next year for sure!Matt-----Original Message-----
Douwe, I'm not going to be able to make Brodhead this year. I'm in partnership in another airplane which we've sold but the pre-buy inspection discovered some engine problems, and that is going to keep me here in Virginia dealing with that. Next year for sure!Matt-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: fly-ins
Original Posted By: Robert Bush
Doug,That is some very good detective work. I strongly suspected that using the angleof incidence in the plans would be over doing it, your notes confirm this. Whenwe go through the measurements at Brodhead, there will be more to learn. Ifyou also have the ability to run the BHP airfoil through the same simulation,I would be very interested in seeing it, and then checking it against anythingwe can field test. ----------------------------------------------------------Does anyone know how many Riblett -airfoiled Piets are flying? I would be veryinterested in hearing from pilots who are, what their cabane lengths are, andwhat their rigging data looks like. We could include all of that information withthe Brodhead information, and hopefully have hard information builders touse in planning their plane or tuning the one they are flying.-----------------------------------------------------------When we first started flying my Piet it only did 73 mph flat out. reworked manythings on the plane in the following year, and raised the top speed to 105 mph.The plane was pretty well mannered and normal between 55-90 mph, but from 90and up it lost some pitch stability. Flying at high speed puts the wing at avery low angle of attack, runs the fuselage nose down, and make the stabilizerrun at an odd angle to the line of flight. There are limits to every combination,but within the a wide speed range it is possible to fine tune the planeto fly pretty well.-------------------------------------------------------------Many years ago the KR-2 community looked at the same ideas, the designs originalairfoil was an RAF-48 set at a 3.5 degree incidence, This worked ok with a 1600cc VW and modest cruise, but it produced poor stability and odd rigging problemswhen the plane had the potential of cruising 30% faster. Some buildersswitched to a different airfoil, but as a general rule, all the people using morepowerful engines decreased the angle of incidence in the wing. It is considereda great improvement on faster planes.-------------------------------------------------------------Took my last flight in my Pietenpol 13 years ago today. I have been trough allfour stages of Pietenpol-hood, dreaming of one, building one, having one , andwishing I still had one. I bought my plans from Don in the spring of 1989, andI used to devour every word in the old Piet newsletters, both the ones fromOhio (BPN) and the ones from Iowa.(International Piet news). For my first fewyears, everyone I was friends with in homebuilding was a Pietenpol person, andI lived under a very pleasant illusion that everyone in homebuilding was probablyas nice as Pietenpol people. Working in the industry for all these yearshas brought us many friends, but has also revealed that the Pietenpol buildingcommunity are a very rare oasis of salt of the earth people, and for reasonsI still can't articulately explain 25 years later, I still think of Pietenpolsas my home in homebuilding. -ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fly-ins
Doug,That is some very good detective work. I strongly suspected that using the angleof incidence in the plans would be over doing it, your notes confirm this. Whenwe go through the measurements at Brodhead, there will be more to learn. Ifyou also have the ability to run the BHP airfoil through the same simulation,I would be very interested in seeing it, and then checking it against anythingwe can field test. ----------------------------------------------------------Does anyone know how many Riblett -airfoiled Piets are flying? I would be veryinterested in hearing from pilots who are, what their cabane lengths are, andwhat their rigging data looks like. We could include all of that information withthe Brodhead information, and hopefully have hard information builders touse in planning their plane or tuning the one they are flying.-----------------------------------------------------------When we first started flying my Piet it only did 73 mph flat out. reworked manythings on the plane in the following year, and raised the top speed to 105 mph.The plane was pretty well mannered and normal between 55-90 mph, but from 90and up it lost some pitch stability. Flying at high speed puts the wing at avery low angle of attack, runs the fuselage nose down, and make the stabilizerrun at an odd angle to the line of flight. There are limits to every combination,but within the a wide speed range it is possible to fine tune the planeto fly pretty well.-------------------------------------------------------------Many years ago the KR-2 community looked at the same ideas, the designs originalairfoil was an RAF-48 set at a 3.5 degree incidence, This worked ok with a 1600cc VW and modest cruise, but it produced poor stability and odd rigging problemswhen the plane had the potential of cruising 30% faster. Some buildersswitched to a different airfoil, but as a general rule, all the people using morepowerful engines decreased the angle of incidence in the wing. It is considereda great improvement on faster planes.-------------------------------------------------------------Took my last flight in my Pietenpol 13 years ago today. I have been trough allfour stages of Pietenpol-hood, dreaming of one, building one, having one , andwishing I still had one. I bought my plans from Don in the spring of 1989, andI used to devour every word in the old Piet newsletters, both the ones fromOhio (BPN) and the ones from Iowa.(International Piet news). For my first fewyears, everyone I was friends with in homebuilding was a Pietenpol person, andI lived under a very pleasant illusion that everyone in homebuilding was probablyas nice as Pietenpol people. Working in the industry for all these yearshas brought us many friends, but has also revealed that the Pietenpol buildingcommunity are a very rare oasis of salt of the earth people, and for reasonsI still can't articulately explain 25 years later, I still think of Pietenpolsas my home in homebuilding. -ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fly-ins
Original Posted By: John Franklin
I plan on being there in my Piet, weather permitting. If not I will come with my dad in the camperRandy BushSent from my iPhoneOn Jul 14, 2014, at 7:43 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:> Doing an informal head count, it appears as if Brodhead might be light of planes this year. Sounds like some of the =9Cregulars=9D (Mikee, Jack, Perkins??, aren=99t able to make it darn!> > Sounds like, Greg, Dan, me, hopefully another black and yellow bird?, one or two Pavliga=99s, hopefully Don??? Who am I missing> > Is Matt flying in? Randy?> > Douwe> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 19:25:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
I plan on being there in my Piet, weather permitting. If not I will come with my dad in the camperRandy BushSent from my iPhoneOn Jul 14, 2014, at 7:43 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:> Doing an informal head count, it appears as if Brodhead might be light of planes this year. Sounds like some of the =9Cregulars=9D (Mikee, Jack, Perkins??, aren=99t able to make it darn!> > Sounds like, Greg, Dan, me, hopefully another black and yellow bird?, one or two Pavliga=99s, hopefully Don??? Who am I missing> > Is Matt flying in? Randy?> > Douwe> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 19:25:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Pietenpol-List: fly-ins
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Hey Mike and everyone else.I am toying with the idea of flying Marci out to the big antique fly-in inBlakesburg, but then I got invited to the labor day fly-in at Red Stewart(Waynesville, ON) Here's the link, ck it out. I hear it's awesome. We canfly in anytime they're not doing their airshow and camp out. They have gasand it is a GREAT grass field.I think we should get a gaggle of Piets to attend since there are a lotwithin easy striking distance.Mike D, why don't you fly up to my field in Fallmouth, KY and hangout withus for a night. I'll show you the studio etc and then we fly up the nextday. The invite is open to anyone who wants to use our place as a stopover.http://www.stewartsaircraft.net/airshow ... __________
Hey Mike and everyone else.I am toying with the idea of flying Marci out to the big antique fly-in inBlakesburg, but then I got invited to the labor day fly-in at Red Stewart(Waynesville, ON) Here's the link, ck it out. I hear it's awesome. We canfly in anytime they're not doing their airshow and camp out. They have gasand it is a GREAT grass field.I think we should get a gaggle of Piets to attend since there are a lotwithin easy striking distance.Mike D, why don't you fly up to my field in Fallmouth, KY and hangout withus for a night. I'll show you the studio etc and then we fly up the nextday. The invite is open to anyone who wants to use our place as a stopover.http://www.stewartsaircraft.net/airshow ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fly-ins
Original Posted By: "tools"
Let me check it out! Sounds good!ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fly-ins
Let me check it out! Sounds good!ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fly-ins
Re: Pietenpol-List: fly-ins
Original Posted By: "bender"
Mike,If you subscribe to Kitplanes, they have had an ongoing series of articles overthe past year about flight testing. Very informative.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fly-ins
Mike,If you subscribe to Kitplanes, they have had an ongoing series of articles overthe past year about flight testing. Very informative.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fly-ins