Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Since I built my plane to the plans with the Pietenpol wing and to the plans where is shows the front cabanes 1" longer thanthe front and since P.F. Beck's awesome comparison of the Piet wing vs. the Riblett essentially showed no advantages oneway or the other, am I correct to assume that, in general you're going to have to have 1" longer cabanes in the front no matterwhich wing you're using?There's been a lot of hand waving and lots and lots of words but you want your cabanes 1" longer in the front than in the back toprevent the issues that Chris Rusch is having with his excessive forward stick pressure yes?My eyes glaze over when these kinds of discussions get off in the weeds so just want to re-center the topic so that the guys out therelike Perez who have equal length cabanes and a Riblett airfoil aren't surprised by extreme forward stick pressure on the first flight.Mike C.Ohio________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Mike,My eyes get glazed over too. From what I am reading, Chris has to hold back pressureon the stick in flight. I do know for a fact that the GN-1 plans have the cabane measurements wrong. Ifyou build that plane to the drawings when in level flight the plane will beflying tail low. This was the case on my dads and on Mike Madrid's GN-1's. Back to Chris's plane now. Knowing what I do about the GN-1's, I believe thatthe folks on that thread are headed in the right direction. I also think thatif Chris could somehow attach a water level cord wise to the wing he would seethat when the wing is in level flight that the nose of the plane or top longeronwould be pointed down hill. By hauling back on the stick to make the airplaneappear to be level in flight he is only flying at a higher angle of attackthus flying at a slower airspeed. If the correct angle of incidence is found,the stick forces will be greatly reduced or dis appear and he will see a highercruise speed. If Chris could arrange for someone to take some video ofhim making a low flyby over the runway and in level flight, maintaining altitude,he may be able to see what I am trying to convey. I am really interested in what their numbers (math) shows after the numbers arecrunched.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Mike,My eyes get glazed over too. From what I am reading, Chris has to hold back pressureon the stick in flight. I do know for a fact that the GN-1 plans have the cabane measurements wrong. Ifyou build that plane to the drawings when in level flight the plane will beflying tail low. This was the case on my dads and on Mike Madrid's GN-1's. Back to Chris's plane now. Knowing what I do about the GN-1's, I believe thatthe folks on that thread are headed in the right direction. I also think thatif Chris could somehow attach a water level cord wise to the wing he would seethat when the wing is in level flight that the nose of the plane or top longeronwould be pointed down hill. By hauling back on the stick to make the airplaneappear to be level in flight he is only flying at a higher angle of attackthus flying at a slower airspeed. If the correct angle of incidence is found,the stick forces will be greatly reduced or dis appear and he will see a highercruise speed. If Chris could arrange for someone to take some video ofhim making a low flyby over the runway and in level flight, maintaining altitude,he may be able to see what I am trying to convey. I am really interested in what their numbers (math) shows after the numbers arecrunched.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
Mike, If you are looking for a simple answer, here goes-The plans were the earlier iteration of an evolving design. That is why BHP keptbuilding them and trying other automotive engines, for example. The simple answerwould be to look at "The Last Original", not the first. I think that iswhere you will see the culmination of the design. Just a thought.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Mike, If you are looking for a simple answer, here goes-The plans were the earlier iteration of an evolving design. That is why BHP keptbuilding them and trying other automotive engines, for example. The simple answerwould be to look at "The Last Original", not the first. I think that iswhere you will see the culmination of the design. Just a thought.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: Peter Johnson
Methinks I should jump on it...GeneOn Jul 18, 2014, at 4:30 PM, John Hofmann wrote:> > If anyone is interested, I got this through the Cub Club. I know nothing otherthan what is below.> > Continental A65-8 engine disassembled. Tapered shaft ground .010 under with prop.hub. Zero time on .015 over cylinders. Cylinders are complete with new A75pistons. Rockers arms overhauled. Engine is complete but will need .859 pistonpins. Extra set of push rods, rocker arms, cam followers, plungers and carb.$1500, Tom Arnold, 661-623-1611, email: earnold(at)bak.rr.com> > > Best,> -john-> > John Hofmann> Vice-President, IT and Production> The Rees Group, Inc.> 2424 American Lane> Madison, WI 53704> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150> Fax: 608.443.2474> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:55:27 +1000Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Methinks I should jump on it...GeneOn Jul 18, 2014, at 4:30 PM, John Hofmann wrote:> > If anyone is interested, I got this through the Cub Club. I know nothing otherthan what is below.> > Continental A65-8 engine disassembled. Tapered shaft ground .010 under with prop.hub. Zero time on .015 over cylinders. Cylinders are complete with new A75pistons. Rockers arms overhauled. Engine is complete but will need .859 pistonpins. Extra set of push rods, rocker arms, cam followers, plungers and carb.$1500, Tom Arnold, 661-623-1611, email: earnold(at)bak.rr.com> > > Best,> -john-> > John Hofmann> Vice-President, IT and Production> The Rees Group, Inc.> 2424 American Lane> Madison, WI 53704> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150> Fax: 608.443.2474> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:55:27 +1000Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: Peter Johnson
For what it's worth guys, I'm going for the engine. I'm over the model A. Hopeno one else needs the Continental too...Anyone want a boat anchor??GeneOn Jul 18, 2014, at 4:30 PM, John Hofmann wrote:> > If anyone is interested, I got this through the Cub Club. I know nothing otherthan what is below.> > Continental A65-8 engine disassembled. Tapered shaft ground .010 under with prop.hub. Zero time on .015 over cylinders. Cylinders are complete with new A75pistons. Rockers arms overhauled. Engine is complete but will need .859 pistonpins. Extra set of push rods, rocker arms, cam followers, plungers and carb.$1500, Tom Arnold, 661-623-1611, email: earnold(at)bak.rr.com> > > Best,> -john-> > John Hofmann> Vice-President, IT and Production> The Rees Group, Inc.> 2424 American Lane> Madison, WI 53704> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150> Fax: 608.443.2474> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:58:47 +1000Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
For what it's worth guys, I'm going for the engine. I'm over the model A. Hopeno one else needs the Continental too...Anyone want a boat anchor??GeneOn Jul 18, 2014, at 4:30 PM, John Hofmann wrote:> > If anyone is interested, I got this through the Cub Club. I know nothing otherthan what is below.> > Continental A65-8 engine disassembled. Tapered shaft ground .010 under with prop.hub. Zero time on .015 over cylinders. Cylinders are complete with new A75pistons. Rockers arms overhauled. Engine is complete but will need .859 pistonpins. Extra set of push rods, rocker arms, cam followers, plungers and carb.$1500, Tom Arnold, 661-623-1611, email: earnold(at)bak.rr.com> > > Best,> -john-> > John Hofmann> Vice-President, IT and Production> The Rees Group, Inc.> 2424 American Lane> Madison, WI 53704> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150> Fax: 608.443.2474> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:58:47 +1000Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: Peter Johnson
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple questionThe newer CAD GN-1 plans show 23 1/4" front and 23 1/2" rear (bolt center tobolt center).rhOn Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Peter Johnson wrote:u>> > Scott,> > Any ideas on what the correct GN-1 cabane measurements should be?> > Cheers> > Peter> Wonthaggi Australia> http://repeit.cpc-world.com> > > On 19/07/2014 2:57 am, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> >> >>> >>> >Mike,>> >>> >My eyes get glazed over too. From what I am reading, Chris has to hold>> >back pressure on the stick in flight.>> >>> >I do know for a fact that the GN-1 plans have the cabane measurements>> >wrong. If you build that plane to the drawings when in level flight the>> >plane will be flying tail low. This was the case on my dads and on Mike>> >Madrid's GN-1's.>> >>> >Back to Chris's plane now. Knowing what I do about the GN-1's, I believe>> >that the folks on that thread are headed in the right direction. I also>> >think that if Chris could somehow attach a water level cord wise to the>> >wing he would see that when the wing is in level flight that the nose of>> >the plane or top longeron would be pointed down hill. By hauling back on>> >the stick to make the airplane appear to be level in flight he is only>> >flying at a higher angle of attack thus flying at a slower airspeed. If>> >the correct angle of incidence is found, the stick forces will be greatly>> >reduced or dis appear and he will see a higher cruise speed. If Chris>> >could arrange for someone to take some video of him making a low flyby>> >over the runway and in level flight, maintaining altitude, he may be able>> >to see what I am trying to convey.>> >>> >I am really interested in what their numbers (math) shows after the>> >numbers are crunched.>> >>> >-------->> >Scott Liefeld>> >Flying N11MS since March 1972>> >Steel Tube>> >C-85-12>> >Wire Wheels>> >Brodhead in 1996>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >Read this topic online here:>> >>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 893#426893>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > ==========> br> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ==========> MS -> k">http://forums.matronics.com> ==========> e -> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ==========> > > -- Rick HollandCastle Rock, ColoradoNX6819Z________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:54:06 +1000Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple questionThe newer CAD GN-1 plans show 23 1/4" front and 23 1/2" rear (bolt center tobolt center).rhOn Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Peter Johnson wrote:u>> > Scott,> > Any ideas on what the correct GN-1 cabane measurements should be?> > Cheers> > Peter> Wonthaggi Australia> http://repeit.cpc-world.com> > > On 19/07/2014 2:57 am, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> >> >>> >>> >Mike,>> >>> >My eyes get glazed over too. From what I am reading, Chris has to hold>> >back pressure on the stick in flight.>> >>> >I do know for a fact that the GN-1 plans have the cabane measurements>> >wrong. If you build that plane to the drawings when in level flight the>> >plane will be flying tail low. This was the case on my dads and on Mike>> >Madrid's GN-1's.>> >>> >Back to Chris's plane now. Knowing what I do about the GN-1's, I believe>> >that the folks on that thread are headed in the right direction. I also>> >think that if Chris could somehow attach a water level cord wise to the>> >wing he would see that when the wing is in level flight that the nose of>> >the plane or top longeron would be pointed down hill. By hauling back on>> >the stick to make the airplane appear to be level in flight he is only>> >flying at a higher angle of attack thus flying at a slower airspeed. If>> >the correct angle of incidence is found, the stick forces will be greatly>> >reduced or dis appear and he will see a higher cruise speed. If Chris>> >could arrange for someone to take some video of him making a low flyby>> >over the runway and in level flight, maintaining altitude, he may be able>> >to see what I am trying to convey.>> >>> >I am really interested in what their numbers (math) shows after the>> >numbers are crunched.>> >>> >-------->> >Scott Liefeld>> >Flying N11MS since March 1972>> >Steel Tube>> >C-85-12>> >Wire Wheels>> >Brodhead in 1996>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >Read this topic online here:>> >>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 893#426893>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > ==========> br> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ==========> MS -> k">http://forums.matronics.com> ==========> e -> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ==========> > > -- Rick HollandCastle Rock, ColoradoNX6819Z________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:54:06 +1000Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Re: Pietenpol-List: A65-8
Original Posted By: "Andre B. Charvet"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple questionThe newer CAD GN-1 plans show 23 1/4" front and 23 1/2" rear (bolt center tobolt center).rhOn Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Peter Johnson wrote:u>> > Scott,> > Any ideas on what the correct GN-1 cabane measurements should be?> > Cheers> > Peter> Wonthaggi Australia> http://repeit.cpc-world.com> > > On 19/07/2014 2:57 am, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> >> >>> >>> >Mike,>> >>> >My eyes get glazed over too. From what I am reading, Chris has to hold>> >back pressure on the stick in flight.>> >>> >I do know for a fact that the GN-1 plans have the cabane measurements>> >wrong. If you build that plane to the drawings when in level flight the>> >plane will be flying tail low. This was the case on my dads and on Mike>> >Madrid's GN-1's.>> >>> >Back to Chris's plane now. Knowing what I do about the GN-1's, I believe>> >that the folks on that thread are headed in the right direction. I also>> >think that if Chris could somehow attach a water level cord wise to the>> >wing he would see that when the wing is in level flight that the nose of>> >the plane or top longeron would be pointed down hill. By hauling back on>> >the stick to make the airplane appear to be level in flight he is only>> >flying at a higher angle of attack thus flying at a slower airspeed. If>> >the correct angle of incidence is found, the stick forces will be greatly>> >reduced or dis appear and he will see a higher cruise speed. If Chris>> >could arrange for someone to take some video of him making a low flyby>> >over the runway and in level flight, maintaining altitude, he may be able>> >to see what I am trying to convey.>> >>> >I am really interested in what their numbers (math) shows after the>> >numbers are crunched.>> >>> >-------->> >Scott Liefeld>> >Flying N11MS since March 1972>> >Steel Tube>> >C-85-12>> >Wire Wheels>> >Brodhead in 1996>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >Read this topic online here:>> >>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 893#426893>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > ==========> br> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ==========> MS -> k">http://forums.matronics.com> ==========> e -> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ==========> > > -- Rick HollandCastle Rock, ColoradoNX6819Ztp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L ... ______Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 07:30:28 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65-8
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple questionThe newer CAD GN-1 plans show 23 1/4" front and 23 1/2" rear (bolt center tobolt center).rhOn Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Peter Johnson wrote:u>> > Scott,> > Any ideas on what the correct GN-1 cabane measurements should be?> > Cheers> > Peter> Wonthaggi Australia> http://repeit.cpc-world.com> > > On 19/07/2014 2:57 am, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> >> >>> >>> >Mike,>> >>> >My eyes get glazed over too. From what I am reading, Chris has to hold>> >back pressure on the stick in flight.>> >>> >I do know for a fact that the GN-1 plans have the cabane measurements>> >wrong. If you build that plane to the drawings when in level flight the>> >plane will be flying tail low. This was the case on my dads and on Mike>> >Madrid's GN-1's.>> >>> >Back to Chris's plane now. Knowing what I do about the GN-1's, I believe>> >that the folks on that thread are headed in the right direction. I also>> >think that if Chris could somehow attach a water level cord wise to the>> >wing he would see that when the wing is in level flight that the nose of>> >the plane or top longeron would be pointed down hill. By hauling back on>> >the stick to make the airplane appear to be level in flight he is only>> >flying at a higher angle of attack thus flying at a slower airspeed. If>> >the correct angle of incidence is found, the stick forces will be greatly>> >reduced or dis appear and he will see a higher cruise speed. If Chris>> >could arrange for someone to take some video of him making a low flyby>> >over the runway and in level flight, maintaining altitude, he may be able>> >to see what I am trying to convey.>> >>> >I am really interested in what their numbers (math) shows after the>> >numbers are crunched.>> >>> >-------->> >Scott Liefeld>> >Flying N11MS since March 1972>> >Steel Tube>> >C-85-12>> >Wire Wheels>> >Brodhead in 1996>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >Read this topic online here:>> >>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 893#426893>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > ==========> br> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ==========> MS -> k">http://forums.matronics.com> ==========> e -> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ==========> > > -- Rick HollandCastle Rock, ColoradoNX6819Ztp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L ... ______Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 07:30:28 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65-8
Re: Pietenpol-List: A65-8
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Is anyone on this list at or near Bakersfield CA???GeneOn Jul 19, 2014, at 7:30 AM, "Andre B. Charvet" wrote:> > I may have a set of piston pins Gene.> Ben> > Gene Rambo wrote:>> >> For what it's worth guys, I'm going for the engine. I'm over the model A. Hopeno one else needs the Continental too...>> >> Anyone want a boat anchor??>> >> Gene>> >> On Jul 18, 2014, at 4:30 PM, John Hofmann wrote:>> >>> >>> If anyone is interested, I got this through the Cub Club. I know nothing otherthan what is below.>>> >>> Continental A65-8 engine disassembled. Tapered shaft ground .010 under withprop. hub. Zero time on .015 over cylinders. Cylinders are complete with newA75 pistons. Rockers arms overhauled. Engine is complete but will need .859 pistonpins. Extra set of push rods, rocker arms, cam followers, plungers and carb.$1500, Tom Arnold, 661-623-1611, email: earnold(at)bak.rr.com>>> >>> >>> Best,>>> -john->>> >>> John Hofmann>>> Vice-President, IT and Production>>> The Rees Group, Inc.>>> 2424 American Lane>>> Madison, WI 53704>>> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150>>> Fax: 608.443.2474>>> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Is anyone on this list at or near Bakersfield CA???GeneOn Jul 19, 2014, at 7:30 AM, "Andre B. Charvet" wrote:> > I may have a set of piston pins Gene.> Ben> > Gene Rambo wrote:>> >> For what it's worth guys, I'm going for the engine. I'm over the model A. Hopeno one else needs the Continental too...>> >> Anyone want a boat anchor??>> >> Gene>> >> On Jul 18, 2014, at 4:30 PM, John Hofmann wrote:>> >>> >>> If anyone is interested, I got this through the Cub Club. I know nothing otherthan what is below.>>> >>> Continental A65-8 engine disassembled. Tapered shaft ground .010 under withprop. hub. Zero time on .015 over cylinders. Cylinders are complete with newA75 pistons. Rockers arms overhauled. Engine is complete but will need .859 pistonpins. Extra set of push rods, rocker arms, cam followers, plungers and carb.$1500, Tom Arnold, 661-623-1611, email: earnold(at)bak.rr.com>>> >>> >>> Best,>>> -john->>> >>> John Hofmann>>> Vice-President, IT and Production>>> The Rees Group, Inc.>>> 2424 American Lane>>> Madison, WI 53704>>> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150>>> Fax: 608.443.2474>>> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: A65-8
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
About a 5 hour drive for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9UO4QT2Y8 Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
About a 5 hour drive for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9UO4QT2Y8 Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple questionThanks Ric,Mine measure 21=B2 front and 21 1/4=B2 rear, same angles but slightly moredifficult to get in or out.CheersPeterPs just uploaded some new pictures to the web site showing progress to date.PJ
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple questionThanks Ric,Mine measure 21=B2 front and 21 1/4=B2 rear, same angles but slightly moredifficult to get in or out.CheersPeterPs just uploaded some new pictures to the web site showing progress to date.PJ
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
I'm 1.5 hours drive away.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
I'm 1.5 hours drive away.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Pietenpol-List: Re: A65-8
Original Posted By: "tools"
Peter,I just sent a text to Mike Madrid to see what his final measurements are. I'lllet you know when I hear from him. Cheers--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A65-8
Peter,I just sent a text to Mike Madrid to see what his final measurements are. I'lllet you know when I hear from him. Cheers--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A65-8
Pietenpol-List: Re: A65-8
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Can see it now, a twin A65 Piet showing up at Brodhead!Shouldn't you be heading out soon (nudge, nudge)?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A65-8
Can see it now, a twin A65 Piet showing up at Brodhead!Shouldn't you be heading out soon (nudge, nudge)?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A65-8
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Tools,I don't need twin 65's. I have a high performance 85. Wish I could go. Have fun.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Tools,I don't need twin 65's. I have a high performance 85. Wish I could go. Have fun.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: Peter Johnson
I have the same situation. The response I got on the Facebook group was to notworry about it. The rudder versus the vertical fin + fuselage is also a bit off(I want to say half an inch iirc). I used the listed dimensions and then tookthe extra 1/8 inch off the back. The place I am still slightly contemplativeis the nose of the rib (I plan on further editing). What did you do for yournose on the drawing?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ______Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:52:35 +1000Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
I have the same situation. The response I got on the Facebook group was to notworry about it. The rudder versus the vertical fin + fuselage is also a bit off(I want to say half an inch iirc). I used the listed dimensions and then tookthe extra 1/8 inch off the back. The place I am still slightly contemplativeis the nose of the rib (I plan on further editing). What did you do for yournose on the drawing?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ______Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:52:35 +1000Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Pretty sure that's what I did on mine too-I'm not really worrying about the nose of the ribs till I get to the wingIf you are doing a solid leading edge, that takes care of all the rib nosesat one time.Mike Cuy has a good drawing of making the leading edge out of a stairwayrailing- I think it's up on westcoastpiet.com--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Pretty sure that's what I did on mine too-I'm not really worrying about the nose of the ribs till I get to the wingIf you are doing a solid leading edge, that takes care of all the rib nosesat one time.Mike Cuy has a good drawing of making the leading edge out of a stairwayrailing- I think it's up on westcoastpiet.com--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Re: Pietenpol-List: A65-8
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
Mike told me he is on his way to Brodhead in her s flybaby. He is stuck in AZ witha bad mag. He should be in the air again on Monday. He said he we check thelengths when he gets home.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65-8
Mike told me he is on his way to Brodhead in her s flybaby. He is stuck in AZ witha bad mag. He should be in the air again on Monday. He said he we check thelengths when he gets home.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65-8
Original Posted By: jim hyde
Thanks Ray, I'm gonna jump a flight in the morning and go pack and ship it back.I appreciate the offer. GeneOn Jul 19, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Ray Krause wrote:> > Gene,> > I'm about five hours north by car, 2.5 by plane. Could I help?> > Ray Krause> Colusa, CA> > Sent from my iPad> >> On Jul 19, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:>> >> >> Is anyone on this list at or near Bakersfield CA???>> >> Gene>> >>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 7:30 AM, "Andre B. Charvet" wrote:>>> >>> >>> I may have a set of piston pins Gene.>>> Ben>>> >>> Gene Rambo wrote:>>>> >>>> For what it's worth guys, I'm going for the engine. I'm over the model A.Hope no one else needs the Continental too...>>>> >>>> Anyone want a boat anchor??>>>> >>>> Gene>>>> >>>>> On Jul 18, 2014, at 4:30 PM, John Hofmann wrote:>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If anyone is interested, I got this through the Cub Club. I know nothingother than what is below.>>>>> >>>>> Continental A65-8 engine disassembled. Tapered shaft ground .010 under withprop. hub. Zero time on .015 over cylinders. Cylinders are complete with newA75 pistons. Rockers arms overhauled. Engine is complete but will need .859piston pins. Extra set of push rods, rocker arms, cam followers, plungers andcarb. $1500, Tom Arnold, 661-623-1611, email: earnold(at)bak.rr.com>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best,>>>>> -john->>>>> >>>>> John Hofmann>>>>> Vice-President, IT and Production>>>>> The Rees Group, Inc.>>>>> 2424 American Lane>>>>> Madison, WI 53704>>>>> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150>>>>> Fax: 608.443.2474>>>>> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 19:29:24 -0700
Thanks Ray, I'm gonna jump a flight in the morning and go pack and ship it back.I appreciate the offer. GeneOn Jul 19, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Ray Krause wrote:> > Gene,> > I'm about five hours north by car, 2.5 by plane. Could I help?> > Ray Krause> Colusa, CA> > Sent from my iPad> >> On Jul 19, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:>> >> >> Is anyone on this list at or near Bakersfield CA???>> >> Gene>> >>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 7:30 AM, "Andre B. Charvet" wrote:>>> >>> >>> I may have a set of piston pins Gene.>>> Ben>>> >>> Gene Rambo wrote:>>>> >>>> For what it's worth guys, I'm going for the engine. I'm over the model A.Hope no one else needs the Continental too...>>>> >>>> Anyone want a boat anchor??>>>> >>>> Gene>>>> >>>>> On Jul 18, 2014, at 4:30 PM, John Hofmann wrote:>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If anyone is interested, I got this through the Cub Club. I know nothingother than what is below.>>>>> >>>>> Continental A65-8 engine disassembled. Tapered shaft ground .010 under withprop. hub. Zero time on .015 over cylinders. Cylinders are complete with newA75 pistons. Rockers arms overhauled. Engine is complete but will need .859piston pins. Extra set of push rods, rocker arms, cam followers, plungers andcarb. $1500, Tom Arnold, 661-623-1611, email: earnold(at)bak.rr.com>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best,>>>>> -john->>>>> >>>>> John Hofmann>>>>> Vice-President, IT and Production>>>>> The Rees Group, Inc.>>>>> 2424 American Lane>>>>> Madison, WI 53704>>>>> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150>>>>> Fax: 608.443.2474>>>>> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 19:29:24 -0700
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: Peter Johnson
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Charles,You would also have to change the x-wires at the cabanes, the wing struts and their drag/anti-drag wires, and the slanted cabanes, all because someone who has never built a Pietenpol thought to impress you with his =98better=99 idea. Stick to the plans. Mr. Pietenpol has already figured all that stuff out for you.By the way, my wood / non-adjustable cabanes work just fine. In fact, I cannot think of one Pietenpol with adjustable cabanesGary BootheNX308MB
Charles,You would also have to change the x-wires at the cabanes, the wing struts and their drag/anti-drag wires, and the slanted cabanes, all because someone who has never built a Pietenpol thought to impress you with his =98better=99 idea. Stick to the plans. Mr. Pietenpol has already figured all that stuff out for you.By the way, my wood / non-adjustable cabanes work just fine. In fact, I cannot think of one Pietenpol with adjustable cabanesGary BootheNX308MB
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "Barnwell Regional Airport"
Hey guys,The topic this time was the length of the cabanes on a GN-1. Not the Pietenpol.The GN-1 is very different. Larger spars and different airfoil resulting indifferent cabane lengths. Sorry for the confusion. Mike Madrid and my dad bothhave GN-1's. Hence asking them.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hey guys,The topic this time was the length of the cabanes on a GN-1. Not the Pietenpol.The GN-1 is very different. Larger spars and different airfoil resulting indifferent cabane lengths. Sorry for the confusion. Mike Madrid and my dad bothhave GN-1's. Hence asking them.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: shad bell
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Hi terry, when would you like to pick the engine up? GardinerSent from my iPad> On Sep 10, 2014, at 6:46 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote:> > > Dan,> > Very nice looking indeed. That would look awesome in someone's Pietenpol.> > FWIW, I have a picture of the altimeter I found on eBay. It is being rebuiltand the face restored. If anybody finds an altimeter that needs rebuilding letme know and I will forward th einfo for the repair station doing mine. I wasquoted a price of $250.00 to get mine restored.> > --------> Semper Fi,> > Terry Hand> Athens, GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 324#430324> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_162.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_911.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Hi terry, when would you like to pick the engine up? GardinerSent from my iPad> On Sep 10, 2014, at 6:46 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote:> > > Dan,> > Very nice looking indeed. That would look awesome in someone's Pietenpol.> > FWIW, I have a picture of the altimeter I found on eBay. It is being rebuiltand the face restored. If anybody finds an altimeter that needs rebuilding letme know and I will forward th einfo for the repair station doing mine. I wasquoted a price of $250.00 to get mine restored.> > --------> Semper Fi,> > Terry Hand> Athens, GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 324#430324> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_162.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_911.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: Peter Johnson
Clif;I think it's a CL-415 but I haven't seen it very often. I'll have to pay closerattention next time. It's yellow ;o)Ken; I'm not yet resubscribed to the list but thought I'd check in on the Forumtonight to see what was up. I'll be back in a few weeks; promise. Meantime,I can report that the tanker operators here are really cool customers. In the24+ months that I spent almost every Saturday and Sunday afternoon at the hangarworking on the Piet, I kept my little Icom on the tower frequency to keepup with the radio chatter and it's always interesting during fire season Thetanker pilots are professional, consistent, concise, and occasionally entertaining.The tanker fleet at the moment includes a pair of BAE-146s that seem tohave come with British crew, because the voice on the radio is definitely Limey;o) Then there was the day when Tanker Six had a stuck mike, much to theconsternation of the extremely busy tower controller, and we all listened to thecaptain's cockpit calls for about 10 minutes, 'gear up', 'flaps five', etc.-while nobody else could conduct communications. Finally we heard the captainof the tanker declare, "I can't hear a thing so my mike must be stuck" andI guess he powered down the COMM at that point. They really do a good job, andI only wish I could get over close to the tanker base to smell the blue oilsmoke when they fire up the big R-3350s on the P2V Neptunes. I love radials.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:29:42 +1000Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Clif;I think it's a CL-415 but I haven't seen it very often. I'll have to pay closerattention next time. It's yellow ;o)Ken; I'm not yet resubscribed to the list but thought I'd check in on the Forumtonight to see what was up. I'll be back in a few weeks; promise. Meantime,I can report that the tanker operators here are really cool customers. In the24+ months that I spent almost every Saturday and Sunday afternoon at the hangarworking on the Piet, I kept my little Icom on the tower frequency to keepup with the radio chatter and it's always interesting during fire season Thetanker pilots are professional, consistent, concise, and occasionally entertaining.The tanker fleet at the moment includes a pair of BAE-146s that seem tohave come with British crew, because the voice on the radio is definitely Limey;o) Then there was the day when Tanker Six had a stuck mike, much to theconsternation of the extremely busy tower controller, and we all listened to thecaptain's cockpit calls for about 10 minutes, 'gear up', 'flaps five', etc.-while nobody else could conduct communications. Finally we heard the captainof the tanker declare, "I can't hear a thing so my mike must be stuck" andI guess he powered down the COMM at that point. They really do a good job, andI only wish I could get over close to the tanker base to smell the blue oilsmoke when they fire up the big R-3350s on the P2V Neptunes. I love radials.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:29:42 +1000Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Peter,Your welcome. Mike.Madrid got back.with me last night. All four of his are 20 78inches.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Peter,Your welcome. Mike.Madrid got back.with me last night. All four of his are 20 78inches.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
Thanks Mike P. for the good word and yes Dan Helsper, the hope is to finally fly back to Brodhead next July for the Piet fly-in. My goal is to letSimon McCormack fly it with his wife Susan at Brodhead.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Thanks Mike P. for the good word and yes Dan Helsper, the hope is to finally fly back to Brodhead next July for the Piet fly-in. My goal is to letSimon McCormack fly it with his wife Susan at Brodhead.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Mario, we've certainly enjoyed walking with you and wish you all the best.Please DO keep in touch and encourage the new builder to join this group. Ipersonally enjoy very much hearing about projects around the world.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Mario, we've certainly enjoyed walking with you and wish you all the best.Please DO keep in touch and encourage the new builder to join this group. Ipersonally enjoy very much hearing about projects around the world.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
John,There must be something wrong with either your full-size rib printout or the wayyou're lofting the airfoil.The only real difference between the full size rib printout and the rib on drawingNo 5 is that the full size printout has the vertical sticks added beside thespars. The airfoil has not been "improved". Some people find that the fullsize printout is stretched or shrunk a bit, due to the printing process and changesin humidity - but that is typically in the order of 1/8" or 1/4" on theoverall length. In my memory, I do not recall reading about anyone ever experiencingthe issues you're having. I suspect that your issues have to do withthe way you're you're lofting (drawing) the airfoil. There should be no differencesof 1/2". There is only one Pietenpol airfoil. Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
John,There must be something wrong with either your full-size rib printout or the wayyou're lofting the airfoil.The only real difference between the full size rib printout and the rib on drawingNo 5 is that the full size printout has the vertical sticks added beside thespars. The airfoil has not been "improved". Some people find that the fullsize printout is stretched or shrunk a bit, due to the printing process and changesin humidity - but that is typically in the order of 1/8" or 1/4" on theoverall length. In my memory, I do not recall reading about anyone ever experiencingthe issues you're having. I suspect that your issues have to do withthe way you're you're lofting (drawing) the airfoil. There should be no differencesof 1/2". There is only one Pietenpol airfoil. Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
I'm going to make a video showing everything, and maybe someone will be able toidentify the problem. Standby for a link to the video. Thank you.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I'm going to make a video showing everything, and maybe someone will be able toidentify the problem. Standby for a link to the video. Thank you.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Skip G. ?
Original Posted By: woodflier
Infidels, countrymen, and Pietenpol Enthusiasts!I'm trying to connect a potential Piet builder in the West Virginia area with Skip & Cinda Gaad but haven't seen Skip on the listlately.I know they live in/near Elizabeth, WV and built their home on an airstrip but don't have any contact info on him. If anyone hasan address/ phone numbers please e-mail me directly at Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.govThank YOU!!!Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Skip G. ?
Infidels, countrymen, and Pietenpol Enthusiasts!I'm trying to connect a potential Piet builder in the West Virginia area with Skip & Cinda Gaad but haven't seen Skip on the listlately.I know they live in/near Elizabeth, WV and built their home on an airstrip but don't have any contact info on him. If anyone hasan address/ phone numbers please e-mail me directly at Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.govThank YOU!!!Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Skip G. ?
Original Posted By:al Message-----=0A Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners,
=0AMike, where is this person in West VA? I'm less than an hour's drive from West By God Virginny. Maybe I'm closer than Skip is. Everything is a 2 hour drive in West Virginia because of the mountains. =0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0A=0A=0A-----Origin
=0AMike, where is this person in West VA? I'm less than an hour's drive from West By God Virginny. Maybe I'm closer than Skip is. Everything is a 2 hour drive in West Virginia because of the mountains. =0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0A=0A=0A-----Origin
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
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________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "tkreiner"
Here's a video where I show the page 5 drawing, the rib profile based on page 5and the full size overlay. I'm seeing a difference between both ribs, and I'dlike to resolve it so I can build a correct rib. So, shall I build my ribs basedon page 5 dimensions, or use the full size profile? Thank you.http://youtu.be/KZSTQas6iEA--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Here's a video where I show the page 5 drawing, the rib profile based on page 5and the full size overlay. I'm seeing a difference between both ribs, and I'dlike to resolve it so I can build a correct rib. So, shall I build my ribs basedon page 5 dimensions, or use the full size profile? Thank you.http://youtu.be/KZSTQas6iEA--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
John,Just as an observation... without knowing whether you ever took a drafting class,or had any formal training in layout or lofting... it would appear that yourlines themselves, are way too thick. Thin lines are much better as the thicknessof the line never distorts or influences the design you're transferringto paper - or, in this case, plywood.Another item I noticed is that your dimensions are taken - and I'm not dissingyou here, just giving you another observation - from the end of the scale. Ifyou want to produce accurate dimensions, place the 1.0 inch line at the startingpoint or datum, if you will, and hold the scale firmly in place while youplace - or measure - the location of the tick marks.The above are techniques which aren't being taught anymore in the era of CAD programs,but when you're actually laying out a series of points to produce an airfoil,or any other critical design, the old school techniques can be the differenceyou're experiencing.After 40+ years of Mechanical Design Engineering & drafting, just my $0.02.--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
John,Just as an observation... without knowing whether you ever took a drafting class,or had any formal training in layout or lofting... it would appear that yourlines themselves, are way too thick. Thin lines are much better as the thicknessof the line never distorts or influences the design you're transferringto paper - or, in this case, plywood.Another item I noticed is that your dimensions are taken - and I'm not dissingyou here, just giving you another observation - from the end of the scale. Ifyou want to produce accurate dimensions, place the 1.0 inch line at the startingpoint or datum, if you will, and hold the scale firmly in place while youplace - or measure - the location of the tick marks.The above are techniques which aren't being taught anymore in the era of CAD programs,but when you're actually laying out a series of points to produce an airfoil,or any other critical design, the old school techniques can be the differenceyou're experiencing.After 40+ years of Mechanical Design Engineering & drafting, just my $0.02.--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
yes drafting is an art form that is being lost..so sad..Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
yes drafting is an art form that is being lost..so sad..Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "THOMAS.233327"
Appreciate the comments. In making the tick marks along the horizontal referenceline, I clamped a long metal ruler (can be seen momentarily at 3:19) and startedat the forward line (datum). I measured this ruler with several others bythe way, and decided to use the long metal one for all rib measurements to maintainconsistency. I had to use a magnifying glass for those 32nd and 64th measurements.Oh, I took a mechanical drawing class in 1978 at SUNY Farmingdale. Still usingthe old T square (in opening of video, it's behind the blue ruler; you can seethe "T" down low as it's hanging upside down).Yes, the pencil line is a bit thick, but didn't think it would make a substantialimpact, but I'll try this again with a mechanical pencil.I contacted Andrew Pietenpol and he has already responded (I sent him the videolink also). He said he's going to call me later. He mentioned in his note "theplane was always under continuous improvement".One thing I noticed going through the booklet (orange cover) is the wing on page30 (Sky Scout) is the same rib on plans page 5. Hmmm.Looking forward to a phone call later.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:27:08 +0000 (UTC)
Appreciate the comments. In making the tick marks along the horizontal referenceline, I clamped a long metal ruler (can be seen momentarily at 3:19) and startedat the forward line (datum). I measured this ruler with several others bythe way, and decided to use the long metal one for all rib measurements to maintainconsistency. I had to use a magnifying glass for those 32nd and 64th measurements.Oh, I took a mechanical drawing class in 1978 at SUNY Farmingdale. Still usingthe old T square (in opening of video, it's behind the blue ruler; you can seethe "T" down low as it's hanging upside down).Yes, the pencil line is a bit thick, but didn't think it would make a substantialimpact, but I'll try this again with a mechanical pencil.I contacted Andrew Pietenpol and he has already responded (I sent him the videolink also). He said he's going to call me later. He mentioned in his note "theplane was always under continuous improvement".One thing I noticed going through the booklet (orange cover) is the wing on page30 (Sky Scout) is the same rib on plans page 5. Hmmm.Looking forward to a phone call later.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:27:08 +0000 (UTC)
Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
Andrew Pietenpol called me this morning. He said:1) can build from either the full size rib OR the rib from drawing 5. There's an86 year difference between the two (his words). 2) Keep it simple. 3) Stick to the plans. 4) keep it light Apparently, they are different ribs. The one on plans page 5 is the Sky Scout ribfrom page 30 of the orange booklet.In his email to me, he made this comment "In short the plane was always under continuousimprovement."Since I already painstakingly drew the rib from page 5 of the plans, and he saidit's OK, that's the one I'm building.It sure says something when he can take the time out of his life to chat with abuilder.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
Andrew Pietenpol called me this morning. He said:1) can build from either the full size rib OR the rib from drawing 5. There's an86 year difference between the two (his words). 2) Keep it simple. 3) Stick to the plans. 4) keep it light Apparently, they are different ribs. The one on plans page 5 is the Sky Scout ribfrom page 30 of the orange booklet.In his email to me, he made this comment "In short the plane was always under continuousimprovement."Since I already painstakingly drew the rib from page 5 of the plans, and he saidit's OK, that's the one I'm building.It sure says something when he can take the time out of his life to chat with abuilder.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question