Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Does anyone have contact info for Randy?Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear(13 ribs down.)________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush
RE: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Thanks!! _____
Thanks!! _____
RE: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
Shad it came through.....BrianSLC-UT
Shad it came through.....BrianSLC-UT
Re: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
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Mon, 21 Jul 2014 10:14:40 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush
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Mon, 21 Jul 2014 10:14:40 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush
Re: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush
Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2014
Original Posted By: Jack
A death in the family has cancelled my plans to attend. Bummer....you all havefun.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2014
A death in the family has cancelled my plans to attend. Bummer....you all havefun.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2014
Pietenpol-List: Re: Randy Bush
Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
William-Mike Perez has copies of my W&B paperwork. He lives 15 minutes from me. My advice to him on his particular Piet is sound.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Randy Bush
William-Mike Perez has copies of my W&B paperwork. He lives 15 minutes from me. My advice to him on his particular Piet is sound.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Randy Bush
Pietenpol-List: Re: weight and balance
Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
For any builders who have not yet met Randy, You can click on this link to a storyI wrote about him last year:http://flycorvair.net/2013/07/11/randy- ... 00-hours/I have known Randy a long time, and have always felt on the same page with himsince we shared the thought that homebuilding, the hours in your shop are vitalpart of protecting your sanity in modern life. The blue print at the bottomof the story covers this theme.---------------------------------------------------There are also some good photos of his plane at Oshkosh last year at this link:http://flycorvair.net/2013/08/12/brodhe ... nd-2013/He parked it right behind our booth, and that is were the EAA did the story forthe Experimenter. Mary Jones, my mentor in aviation writing who has worked forthe EAA for 30 years personally found the writer and stewarded the story throughpublications. She is arguable the best Journalist in Light aviation. Ifthere is ever a story that needs telling correctly, steer it to her attention.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: weight and balance
For any builders who have not yet met Randy, You can click on this link to a storyI wrote about him last year:http://flycorvair.net/2013/07/11/randy- ... 00-hours/I have known Randy a long time, and have always felt on the same page with himsince we shared the thought that homebuilding, the hours in your shop are vitalpart of protecting your sanity in modern life. The blue print at the bottomof the story covers this theme.---------------------------------------------------There are also some good photos of his plane at Oshkosh last year at this link:http://flycorvair.net/2013/08/12/brodhe ... nd-2013/He parked it right behind our booth, and that is were the EAA did the story forthe Experimenter. Mary Jones, my mentor in aviation writing who has worked forthe EAA for 30 years personally found the writer and stewarded the story throughpublications. She is arguable the best Journalist in Light aviation. Ifthere is ever a story that needs telling correctly, steer it to her attention.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: weight and balance
Pietenpol-List: Re: weight and balance
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Mike Cuy,If Mike P. has your W&B data, it seems he doesn't yet understand it well enoughto use it. Saying thing like "7 pounds on the tailwheel" is not an adequate plan,and anyone who understands W&B knows that is a meaningless comment, it saysnothing about where his CG is, just how far it is from the axle. My point isthat the useful numbers are very easy to calculate, and if Mike P. types inhis data just like Chris R. Did, he can have an accurate calculation from Jack,Ryan or myself, and have a real plan.-------------------------------------------------------Our weight and balance data has at least six A-65 Piet examples in it. If MikeP sends his data in he will have the benefit of a professional calculation andthe comparison to several other examples. Mike Cuy, you know something aboutplanes, and Mike P. is very new and green. Obviously he looks up to your experienceand you are acting as some type of advisor to him. There is a responsibilityto that, and in my book, you tell new guys to get as much information asthey can from sources with greater experience, even if you don't personally findthat source pleasant.------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike P, here is my last comment ever on your project, unless you specifically askme to teach you something, you will not hear from me: If you think Mike Cuyis a great guy, a better human than me, you are absolutely right. I have metMike Cuy and I think is probably a better person that me. You are new to aviation,and you are at a decision point. Follow what good, pleasant people say.....orlisten to anybody who might have the answer, even if you find that persondistasteful. This is very importiant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------25 years ago I decided that as a mechanic, the people who put their families inplanes I worked on were counting on me to have a very high level of expertisein my craft. I saw this as morally obligating me to learn my craft at greatdepth, no matter who I had to learn it from. Many of the things I know about planescame from men I would not want as a father in law or a neighbor, far lessany kind of friend. None the less, they knew things that I needed to know tobe better at my craft. If you choose to restrict your learning to just instructorsyou like, think are nice, go to the same church, don't use foul language,or say tactless things, then maybe you can't honestly say that you have reallydone everything in your control to minimize risk for your eventual passengers.Think that over, answer it for yourself, make sure the answer you get isn'tjust good enough for today, but good enough for the day after you have an accidentand someone gets hurt.---------------------------------------------One more point Mike P: You mention God in every post. The finest human being I ever met in aviation was my friend Bob Bean. In my life, I have never met a man of greater faith, not even close. You can see Bob's picture with his wife Sara here: http://flycorvair.net/2014/01/21/risk-m ... ence-page/ , They are both dead, a single stupid mistake in weather in a Glassair III. I am sure Bob's God protected his soul, but God did not protect his mortal life. I am very glad you soloed a plane, it is a big step, congratulations, but it concerned me that you thought it was no different than driving a car. I have been flying for 20 years, and every single take off puts me in a state of awareness of risk far beyond anything I feel driving to the gas station. Maybe I took your comment wrong, but it concerned me because people don't prepare for risk they do not perceive, and it didn't sound like you felt at risk, to say, something like the engine quitting. Bob expressed to me many times that he felt "protected" when flying, but I did not ask him to elaborate, perhaps he was just expressing the disposition of his soul, not his physical being. Something to think about.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: weight and balance
Mike Cuy,If Mike P. has your W&B data, it seems he doesn't yet understand it well enoughto use it. Saying thing like "7 pounds on the tailwheel" is not an adequate plan,and anyone who understands W&B knows that is a meaningless comment, it saysnothing about where his CG is, just how far it is from the axle. My point isthat the useful numbers are very easy to calculate, and if Mike P. types inhis data just like Chris R. Did, he can have an accurate calculation from Jack,Ryan or myself, and have a real plan.-------------------------------------------------------Our weight and balance data has at least six A-65 Piet examples in it. If MikeP sends his data in he will have the benefit of a professional calculation andthe comparison to several other examples. Mike Cuy, you know something aboutplanes, and Mike P. is very new and green. Obviously he looks up to your experienceand you are acting as some type of advisor to him. There is a responsibilityto that, and in my book, you tell new guys to get as much information asthey can from sources with greater experience, even if you don't personally findthat source pleasant.------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike P, here is my last comment ever on your project, unless you specifically askme to teach you something, you will not hear from me: If you think Mike Cuyis a great guy, a better human than me, you are absolutely right. I have metMike Cuy and I think is probably a better person that me. You are new to aviation,and you are at a decision point. Follow what good, pleasant people say.....orlisten to anybody who might have the answer, even if you find that persondistasteful. This is very importiant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------25 years ago I decided that as a mechanic, the people who put their families inplanes I worked on were counting on me to have a very high level of expertisein my craft. I saw this as morally obligating me to learn my craft at greatdepth, no matter who I had to learn it from. Many of the things I know about planescame from men I would not want as a father in law or a neighbor, far lessany kind of friend. None the less, they knew things that I needed to know tobe better at my craft. If you choose to restrict your learning to just instructorsyou like, think are nice, go to the same church, don't use foul language,or say tactless things, then maybe you can't honestly say that you have reallydone everything in your control to minimize risk for your eventual passengers.Think that over, answer it for yourself, make sure the answer you get isn'tjust good enough for today, but good enough for the day after you have an accidentand someone gets hurt.---------------------------------------------One more point Mike P: You mention God in every post. The finest human being I ever met in aviation was my friend Bob Bean. In my life, I have never met a man of greater faith, not even close. You can see Bob's picture with his wife Sara here: http://flycorvair.net/2014/01/21/risk-m ... ence-page/ , They are both dead, a single stupid mistake in weather in a Glassair III. I am sure Bob's God protected his soul, but God did not protect his mortal life. I am very glad you soloed a plane, it is a big step, congratulations, but it concerned me that you thought it was no different than driving a car. I have been flying for 20 years, and every single take off puts me in a state of awareness of risk far beyond anything I feel driving to the gas station. Maybe I took your comment wrong, but it concerned me because people don't prepare for risk they do not perceive, and it didn't sound like you felt at risk, to say, something like the engine quitting. Bob expressed to me many times that he felt "protected" when flying, but I did not ask him to elaborate, perhaps he was just expressing the disposition of his soul, not his physical being. Something to think about.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: weight and balance
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Mike (Cuy),Just a thought, but if "Kentucky windage" is acceptable for setting the cabanes,is it okay for trammeling the wings, or setting the camber of the wheels? Orany host of other choices in building an airplane?If data is available, and freely available at that, why is is so wrong to use it?I am no aerodynamicist, and only a budding builder, but I do know that mostof these questions can be answered with something beyond "TLAR" (that looks aboutright).--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Mike (Cuy),Just a thought, but if "Kentucky windage" is acceptable for setting the cabanes,is it okay for trammeling the wings, or setting the camber of the wheels? Orany host of other choices in building an airplane?If data is available, and freely available at that, why is is so wrong to use it?I am no aerodynamicist, and only a budding builder, but I do know that mostof these questions can be answered with something beyond "TLAR" (that looks aboutright).--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________