Original Posted By: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Please allow me to interject.I want to go on record as saying that I personally would find a definitivestress analysis of the Pietenpol wing fascinating and informative. What'sthe big deal if some guys want to run some numbers?? If the topic doesn'tinterest you, most keyboards have a "delete" button. End of problem.Oscar has been flying "Scout" for over a decade and knows it is safe. He isnot questioning the airworthiness of an "80-year-old" design, his curiosityhas simply been peeked by some questions which he'd like to be able toanswer authoritatively.This thread is directly Pietenpol related and very interesting. I don'tseem to remember Jack P catching any flack a few years back when he didsomething similar. Does it not seem highly inappropriate that Oscar feels he needs to go "offlist" to provide a Pietenpol wing analysis on a Pietenpol discussionforum???What gives everybody??$.02DouwePs. Oscar, would you please include me in your "off list" group? I amfascinated to hear what you come up with.==========st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC
Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC
Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC
Original Posted By: Gerry Holland
http://youtu.be/iiGZFPX4lv83:12 long.With missing Brodhead and all I had to get my 'fixes' by flying a few times this week from my home airport heresouthwest of Cleveland. Hope you enjoy!Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
http://youtu.be/iiGZFPX4lv83:12 long.With missing Brodhead and all I had to get my 'fixes' by flying a few times this week from my home airport heresouthwest of Cleveland. Hope you enjoy!Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC
Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
Mike Hi!What video arrangement did you use?RegardsGerry________________________________________________________________________________
Mike Hi!What video arrangement did you use?RegardsGerry________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
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Pietenpol-List: Re: take a short flight in NX48MC
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: take a short flight in NX48MC
Original Posted By: Michael Conkling
How do we know that he even landed yet? He may have posted it from his I-PADwhile still flying. Mike, correct me if I'm wrong here, I think you guys in that part of the countryneed the smoke system to see where you came from. There no mountains or evenhills to determine which direction you are going or coming from. Just lookfor the smoke and you'll find the airport you left from.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:30:47 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: take a short flight in NX48MC
How do we know that he even landed yet? He may have posted it from his I-PADwhile still flying. Mike, correct me if I'm wrong here, I think you guys in that part of the countryneed the smoke system to see where you came from. There no mountains or evenhills to determine which direction you are going or coming from. Just lookfor the smoke and you'll find the airport you left from.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:30:47 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: take a short flight in NX48MC
Pietenpol-List: Re: Build Milestones!
Original Posted By: "aviken"
Thankfully I had another uneventful landing and was able to walk away unassisted and she sits in the hangar awaiting the nexttime!And Gerry, I simply use a hand-held (using the camera strap) little Olympus pocket camera in video mode and move it around by hand.And you're right Michael Conkling, most of my navigation is just by landmarks but on cross countries I do take a little Garmin III gps. And Scott L.,the best part about flying around Cleveland is that you can't get lost because of Lake Erie. If the lake gets bigger: going north. If the lake is toyour right: Going West. If the lake is to your left: going east. Can't see the lake? You're going south.Mike C.[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFADA0.E3D28130] [cid:image002.jpg(at)01CFADA0.E3D28130]http://youtu.be/iiGZFPX4lv83:12 long.With missing Brodhead and all I had to get my 'fixes' by flying a few times this week from my home airport heresouthwest of Cleveland. Hope you enjoy!Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Build Milestones!
Thankfully I had another uneventful landing and was able to walk away unassisted and she sits in the hangar awaiting the nexttime!And Gerry, I simply use a hand-held (using the camera strap) little Olympus pocket camera in video mode and move it around by hand.And you're right Michael Conkling, most of my navigation is just by landmarks but on cross countries I do take a little Garmin III gps. And Scott L.,the best part about flying around Cleveland is that you can't get lost because of Lake Erie. If the lake gets bigger: going north. If the lake is toyour right: Going West. If the lake is to your left: going east. Can't see the lake? You're going south.Mike C.[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFADA0.E3D28130] [cid:image002.jpg(at)01CFADA0.E3D28130]http://youtu.be/iiGZFPX4lv83:12 long.With missing Brodhead and all I had to get my 'fixes' by flying a few times this week from my home airport heresouthwest of Cleveland. Hope you enjoy!Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Build Milestones!
Re: Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC----how was the landing?
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Hey Jim , You continue to inspire this Arkie to keep his nose to the sandpaper. It is my dream to meet you somewhere next year and fly wing to wing with youto Brodhead. I know you can make it, I just don't know if I can.. But thatis my goal.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:07:42 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC----how was the landing?
Hey Jim , You continue to inspire this Arkie to keep his nose to the sandpaper. It is my dream to meet you somewhere next year and fly wing to wing with youto Brodhead. I know you can make it, I just don't know if I can.. But thatis my goal.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:07:42 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC----how was the landing?
Re: Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC----how was the landing?
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Thanks Mike on Camera spec. Very good quality.Gerry________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks Mike on Camera spec. Very good quality.Gerry________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I want smoke!Gary BootheNX308MB
I want smoke!Gary BootheNX308MB
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
Another smoke fluid: Try anti-freeze...amazing hang time even better in cooler weather. Use it straight from the radiator. Available free at most mechanic shopsSent from my iPhone> On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:16 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > I want smoke!> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB>
Another smoke fluid: Try anti-freeze...amazing hang time even better in cooler weather. Use it straight from the radiator. Available free at most mechanic shopsSent from my iPhone> On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:16 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > I want smoke!> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB>
Re: Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC
Original Posted By: Greg Bacon
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: take a short flight in NX48MC
Original Posted By: jmconkling(at)gmail.com
Been all the way to the arctic and back with out any roads=2C railroads or GPS.Doug Dever=0AIn beautiful Stow OhioDate: Fri=2C 1 Aug 2014 14:30:47 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: take a short flight in NX48MC
Been all the way to the arctic and back with out any roads=2C railroads or GPS.Doug Dever=0AIn beautiful Stow OhioDate: Fri=2C 1 Aug 2014 14:30:47 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: take a short flight in NX48MC
Pietenpol-List: Re: Distance LE to front spar
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
With reference to drawing 5, lower wing profile drawing shows 6 3/4" from leadingedge to front of forward spar. Drawing the wing using measurements from thetop drawing, my forward spar front face is at 6 1/2". If I move the forward sparback 1/4", then both front and rear spars will be in correct spots accordingto the lower profile drawing (rear spar will be 23 1/2" from TE). The sparswon't line up though with the measurements on the upper drawing.I think 1/4" off here could throw things off a bit.I hope to make Brodhead next year.Thank you.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Distance LE to front spar
With reference to drawing 5, lower wing profile drawing shows 6 3/4" from leadingedge to front of forward spar. Drawing the wing using measurements from thetop drawing, my forward spar front face is at 6 1/2". If I move the forward sparback 1/4", then both front and rear spars will be in correct spots accordingto the lower profile drawing (rear spar will be 23 1/2" from TE). The sparswon't line up though with the measurements on the upper drawing.I think 1/4" off here could throw things off a bit.I hope to make Brodhead next year.Thank you.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Distance LE to front spar
Pietenpol-List: Re: Distance LE to front spar
Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
And your question is?Or is it simply a statement? I am not sure what you are trying to communicate.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Distance LE to front spar
And your question is?Or is it simply a statement? I am not sure what you are trying to communicate.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Distance LE to front spar
Pietenpol-List: Re: Distance LE to front spar
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
I saw both profiles lined up with one another, and I saw the back of the forwardspar was in line with the airfoil at the 5 9/16" thickness point. Drawing thespar there gave me 6 1/2" to the LE.I was wondering if it's better to move the spar back 1/4", which of course movesthe rear spar also, but gives correct dimensions from LE and TE.I see this was probably a dumb question and I'll move the spar a 1/4" back.As far as question 2, I'm going to make that 'tongue' a little thicker than 5/8"I'm afraid I'm still trying to read the plans literally. I know I need to stopdoing that. I'm trying to view the plans as only rough ideas/sketches and thatI'll need to adjust everything, but it's difficult.Thanks.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Distance LE to front spar
I saw both profiles lined up with one another, and I saw the back of the forwardspar was in line with the airfoil at the 5 9/16" thickness point. Drawing thespar there gave me 6 1/2" to the LE.I was wondering if it's better to move the spar back 1/4", which of course movesthe rear spar also, but gives correct dimensions from LE and TE.I see this was probably a dumb question and I'll move the spar a 1/4" back.As far as question 2, I'm going to make that 'tongue' a little thicker than 5/8"I'm afraid I'm still trying to read the plans literally. I know I need to stopdoing that. I'm trying to view the plans as only rough ideas/sketches and thatI'll need to adjust everything, but it's difficult.Thanks.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Distance LE to front spar
Original Posted By: piperj3cubflyer
John,I don't have my plans here to check against, but from memory:1) Regarding the wing drawing - I don't recall the spars being shown in the topdetail - just dimensions to be used to generate the profile for the airfoil.I believe the lower detail (with all the wood pieces shown) is the only drawingthat shows the spars.2) Regarding the empennage, the "main beam" has an overall thickness of 1", with3/16" deep rabbets top and bottom, leaving 5/8" in the middle. That 3/16" isthere to accept the capstrips, which are 3/16" thick. When putting the differentprofiles together, you have to get creative, and taper some of the pieceswhere they join together at the corners. This also involves shaving off someexcess material to line up with the face of the gussets. The 5/8" dimensionworks.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
John,I don't have my plans here to check against, but from memory:1) Regarding the wing drawing - I don't recall the spars being shown in the topdetail - just dimensions to be used to generate the profile for the airfoil.I believe the lower detail (with all the wood pieces shown) is the only drawingthat shows the spars.2) Regarding the empennage, the "main beam" has an overall thickness of 1", with3/16" deep rabbets top and bottom, leaving 5/8" in the middle. That 3/16" isthere to accept the capstrips, which are 3/16" thick. When putting the differentprofiles together, you have to get creative, and taper some of the pieceswhere they join together at the corners. This also involves shaving off someexcess material to line up with the face of the gussets. The 5/8" dimensionworks.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: which holds more oil?
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
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Re: Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
You like smoke?I geeve you smoke!Clif I want smoke! Gary Boothe NX308MB________________________________________________________________________________
You like smoke?I geeve you smoke!Clif I want smoke! Gary Boothe NX308MB________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: take a short flight in NX48MC
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I'm flyin' out of the wrong airport!Gary BootheNX308MB
I'm flyin' out of the wrong airport!Gary BootheNX308MB