Original Posted By: "wheelharp"
Anyone here planning on coming? The hostess and a few guys from the woodworkingmachine crowd who bring brats, pots of chili, Dutch oven cobbler supplies, breakfaststuff, etc. are just looking for the most accurate guesstimate possible.Either reply here, pm or email at n0kkj(at)yahoo.com. Physical address is 335 castlerock ln, chickamauga ga 30707If you're bringing a plane or project mention that too. Don't figure there'llbe many planes so might be able to get them all under cover. Also, large commercialhangar and self serve fuel available at 9a5, ten minute flight south. I'd bet the hangar is ten bucks a night. ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: first air camper year
Pietenpol-List: first air camper year
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
It will be a long time away, but just for fun, I am thinking of possible paintscheme numbers. I have seen people use the year 1928 in reference to the Piet,but I would like to use 1927...the year my dad was born, and Lindbergh crossing.I am confused on the history...Wikipedia shows first flight in 1928, but BHP familywebsite shows '27 for model T engine, and '29 for model A. Here is text copiedfrom there-Finally, on September 1st, 1927, Bernard and Don Finke successes fully flew theirnew design. It was powered by an aluminum 16-value Model T engine (ironicallycalled "the Ace" conversion) developed by Horace Keane. At 30 horsepower, itwas capable of getting two men into the air and safely back on the ground. Itwas a step in the right direction, but still Bernard believed it needed additionalpower.By now Henry Ford had come out with his new car, the Model A, powered by a biggerfour cylinder engine. At an estimated 40 horsepower, this engine seemed justthe thing for Bernard Pietenpol's new aircraft design's needs, and having beenon the market for several years, junk yards were starting to get as many ofthem as Model T engines.So Bernard Pietenpol went to work converting the Ford Model A engine for his newmonoplane. In May 1929 Bernard Pietenpol test flew his Air Camper with the newengine. Any thoughts on this? I tried archives, and call me lazy, but I gave up a few topicsinto the 50,092 returns I got
--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
It will be a long time away, but just for fun, I am thinking of possible paintscheme numbers. I have seen people use the year 1928 in reference to the Piet,but I would like to use 1927...the year my dad was born, and Lindbergh crossing.I am confused on the history...Wikipedia shows first flight in 1928, but BHP familywebsite shows '27 for model T engine, and '29 for model A. Here is text copiedfrom there-Finally, on September 1st, 1927, Bernard and Don Finke successes fully flew theirnew design. It was powered by an aluminum 16-value Model T engine (ironicallycalled "the Ace" conversion) developed by Horace Keane. At 30 horsepower, itwas capable of getting two men into the air and safely back on the ground. Itwas a step in the right direction, but still Bernard believed it needed additionalpower.By now Henry Ford had come out with his new car, the Model A, powered by a biggerfour cylinder engine. At an estimated 40 horsepower, this engine seemed justthe thing for Bernard Pietenpol's new aircraft design's needs, and having beenon the market for several years, junk yards were starting to get as many ofthem as Model T engines.So Bernard Pietenpol went to work converting the Ford Model A engine for his newmonoplane. In May 1929 Bernard Pietenpol test flew his Air Camper with the newengine. Any thoughts on this? I tried archives, and call me lazy, but I gave up a few topicsinto the 50,092 returns I got
--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________Re: Pietenpol-List: first air camper year
Original Posted By: Jack
Bill,After I hit the submit button I realized I left my self open for your comment.I do that a lot. Terry,My planes empty weight when it was born in 1972 was a wopping 600 lbs.My planes empty weight in March 2001 after I rebuilt it is 670 lbs. I can accountfor nearly every pound added over the years. A lot of it is paint. Thena bunch of other stuff over the years. My seat is a little heavier but it issure comfortable. I have a radio and a much bigger tail wheel and a glider towhook. Just a bunch of stuff that adds up.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first air camper year
Bill,After I hit the submit button I realized I left my self open for your comment.I do that a lot. Terry,My planes empty weight when it was born in 1972 was a wopping 600 lbs.My planes empty weight in March 2001 after I rebuilt it is 670 lbs. I can accountfor nearly every pound added over the years. A lot of it is paint. Thena bunch of other stuff over the years. My seat is a little heavier but it issure comfortable. I have a radio and a much bigger tail wheel and a glider towhook. Just a bunch of stuff that adds up.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first air camper year
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: MIG or TIG?
Original Posted By: Mike Nipp
Mine is NX1929T...Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Jan 23, 2015, at 12:57 PM, "wheelharp" wrote:> > > It will be a long time away, but just for fun, I am thinking of possible paintscheme numbers. I have seen people use the year 1928 in reference to the Piet,but I would like to use 1927...the year my dad was born, and Lindbergh crossing.> > I am confused on the history...Wikipedia shows first flight in 1928, but BHPfamily website shows '27 for model T engine, and '29 for model A. Here is textcopied from there-> > Finally, on September 1st, 1927, Bernard and Don Finke successes fully flew theirnew design. It was powered by an aluminum 16-value Model T engine (ironicallycalled "the Ace" conversion) developed by Horace Keane. At 30 horsepower,it was capable of getting two men into the air and safely back on the ground.It was a step in the right direction, but still Bernard believed it needed additionalpower.> > By now Henry Ford had come out with his new car, the Model A, powered by a biggerfour cylinder engine. At an estimated 40 horsepower, this engine seemed justthe thing for Bernard Pietenpol's new aircraft design's needs, and havingbeen on the market for several years, junk yards were starting to get as manyof them as Model T engines.> > So Bernard Pietenpol went to work converting the Ford Model A engine for hisnew monoplane. In May 1929 Bernard Pietenpol test flew his Air Camper with thenew engine.> > Any thoughts on this? I tried archives, and call me lazy, but I gave up a fewtopics into the 50,092 returns I got> > --------> Jon Jones> Ironton, MO> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 530#437530> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: MIG or TIG?
Mine is NX1929T...Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Jan 23, 2015, at 12:57 PM, "wheelharp" wrote:> > > It will be a long time away, but just for fun, I am thinking of possible paintscheme numbers. I have seen people use the year 1928 in reference to the Piet,but I would like to use 1927...the year my dad was born, and Lindbergh crossing.> > I am confused on the history...Wikipedia shows first flight in 1928, but BHPfamily website shows '27 for model T engine, and '29 for model A. Here is textcopied from there-> > Finally, on September 1st, 1927, Bernard and Don Finke successes fully flew theirnew design. It was powered by an aluminum 16-value Model T engine (ironicallycalled "the Ace" conversion) developed by Horace Keane. At 30 horsepower,it was capable of getting two men into the air and safely back on the ground.It was a step in the right direction, but still Bernard believed it needed additionalpower.> > By now Henry Ford had come out with his new car, the Model A, powered by a biggerfour cylinder engine. At an estimated 40 horsepower, this engine seemed justthe thing for Bernard Pietenpol's new aircraft design's needs, and havingbeen on the market for several years, junk yards were starting to get as manyof them as Model T engines.> > So Bernard Pietenpol went to work converting the Ford Model A engine for hisnew monoplane. In May 1929 Bernard Pietenpol test flew his Air Camper with thenew engine.> > Any thoughts on this? I tried archives, and call me lazy, but I gave up a fewtopics into the 50,092 returns I got
> > --------> Jon Jones> Ironton, MO> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 530#437530> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: MIG or TIG?Pietenpol-List: Re: MIG or TIG?
Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
It's seems like these discussions always turn into a China vs USA debate. I wasn't asking about brands. ( I have a Miller 211). I was just wondering wethera Tig or Mig process would be better suited to building a Piet. It seems likeall the fittings are made from steel as far as I can tell. I was thinking aMig welder would be fine putting these parts together. I understand a TIG welder would probably have better looking welds because of thebetter control. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: MIG or TIG?
It's seems like these discussions always turn into a China vs USA debate. I wasn't asking about brands. ( I have a Miller 211). I was just wondering wethera Tig or Mig process would be better suited to building a Piet. It seems likeall the fittings are made from steel as far as I can tell. I was thinking aMig welder would be fine putting these parts together. I understand a TIG welder would probably have better looking welds because of thebetter control. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: MIG or TIG?
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
Mike,If you own a great tig welder, and know how to use it, I don't understand whatwould be the consideration for making any Piet part with a mig welder. .I have all kinds of welders in my hangar, there is a steel tube fuselage for a Piet out there right now, I have welded several others and made several dozen mounts, a pile of gear legs, fittings and stainless exhausts : http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/08/pieten ... omponents/ and I would not chose a mig to make any of it if Tig was readily available.I am tired right now, but I can not think of a single welded aluminum structuralfitting on a light plane. Even aluminum lift struts on certified planes havebolt in fittings. There is probably an exception to this, but for the most partwelding fittings on light planes are steel..Although you might not like it, making builders aware that they need to be vigilant around Chinese products for flying is important. This isn't abstract political bashing from me because they are a giant police state. It is first hand, real world observation. Get a look at this http://flycorvair.net/2012/01/15/chinese-crankshafts/I am not going to apologize for reminding builders to be vigilant, especially whenthe distributor goes out of their way to obscure the origins of the part.-ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Mike,If you own a great tig welder, and know how to use it, I don't understand whatwould be the consideration for making any Piet part with a mig welder. .I have all kinds of welders in my hangar, there is a steel tube fuselage for a Piet out there right now, I have welded several others and made several dozen mounts, a pile of gear legs, fittings and stainless exhausts : http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/08/pieten ... omponents/ and I would not chose a mig to make any of it if Tig was readily available.I am tired right now, but I can not think of a single welded aluminum structuralfitting on a light plane. Even aluminum lift struts on certified planes havebolt in fittings. There is probably an exception to this, but for the most partwelding fittings on light planes are steel..Although you might not like it, making builders aware that they need to be vigilant around Chinese products for flying is important. This isn't abstract political bashing from me because they are a giant police state. It is first hand, real world observation. Get a look at this http://flycorvair.net/2012/01/15/chinese-crankshafts/I am not going to apologize for reminding builders to be vigilant, especially whenthe distributor goes out of their way to obscure the origins of the part.-ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?