Original Posted By: "Barry Davis"
Hey Jake,Looks like a solid design and really nice sketch. You'll likely have to runthe bolts in the other way but that'll make itself evident as you do it ifthe need arises. Yes, definitely ground it. You basically want a path from the tank down tothe engine which is the largest chunk of metal in the plane, and where youwill be grounding it while fueling. You can use grounding cable or othermetal parts/cables/straps etc which were going that direction anyways andjust build up a good solid "path" . if I remember correctly, since my fuellines were running that direction anyways, I used them as part of thegrounding system.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Thx for the feedback, thoughts. I had not been particularly aware of the groundingaspect so I'll defiantly make a "pad" to mount a grounding strap - and runa strap to the frame - thanks!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank progress
Thx for the feedback, thoughts. I had not been particularly aware of the groundingaspect so I'll defiantly make a "pad" to mount a grounding strap - and runa strap to the frame - thanks!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank progress
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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
thx Douwe - good thoughts..! Appreciate it...........--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank progress
thx Douwe - good thoughts..! Appreciate it...........--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank progress
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Original Posted By: Yates
Oscar,I flew down there. Dad flew his KR2 in and I got to visit with the French ValleyPiet owners. My friend with the Pegasus 0-100 engine was there demonstratingit as well. I also saw Revmaster there and a roadable airplane was there. There were about dozen planes of various types that flew in. It started gettingpretty hot out, so I headed home early in the day. I had a great time andhope to go back again next year. Thanks for the reminder about it. I do stilllike flying behind my Cont. engine. Parts available at most any airport inthe nation. Sorry, I didn't take any pics.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: fuel tank progress
Oscar,I flew down there. Dad flew his KR2 in and I got to visit with the French ValleyPiet owners. My friend with the Pegasus 0-100 engine was there demonstratingit as well. I also saw Revmaster there and a roadable airplane was there. There were about dozen planes of various types that flew in. It started gettingpretty hot out, so I headed home early in the day. I had a great time andhope to go back again next year. Thanks for the reminder about it. I do stilllike flying behind my Cont. engine. Parts available at most any airport inthe nation. Sorry, I didn't take any pics.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: fuel tank progress
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Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
http://www.emachineshop.com/ reasonable price? Don't know. software is freeI had my parts water jet cut locally - reasonable? not from my perspective--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank progress
http://www.emachineshop.com/ reasonable price? Don't know. software is freeI had my parts water jet cut locally - reasonable? not from my perspective--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank progress
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Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Many years ago a friend of mine was fueling his Pacer with plastic gas cans. Itsparked and set the cans on fire. He threw it away from the plane thus savingthe plane. The gas can died that day. His plane was tied down and not yet flown that day. Just the wind we experiencein the desert was enough to charge the aircraft to cause a discharge when thefuel started flowing.After reading this thread I am now going to touch the fuel nozzle to the groundedexhaust stack before dispensing the fuel. Maybe it is overkill, but mightbe worth doing???? Can't hurt to try. Great conversation.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:54:51 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank progress
Many years ago a friend of mine was fueling his Pacer with plastic gas cans. Itsparked and set the cans on fire. He threw it away from the plane thus savingthe plane. The gas can died that day. His plane was tied down and not yet flown that day. Just the wind we experiencein the desert was enough to charge the aircraft to cause a discharge when thefuel started flowing.After reading this thread I am now going to touch the fuel nozzle to the groundedexhaust stack before dispensing the fuel. Maybe it is overkill, but mightbe worth doing???? Can't hurt to try. Great conversation.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:54:51 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank progress
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Original Posted By: George Abernathy
Let me clarify one thing. I won't be touching a fuel nozzle to a "HOT" exhaustpipe. Nobody called me out on that yet, but I'm sure some of you were thinkingthat I may have fallen and hit my head.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 22:23:33 +0000 (UTC)
Let me clarify one thing. I won't be touching a fuel nozzle to a "HOT" exhaustpipe. Nobody called me out on that yet, but I'm sure some of you were thinkingthat I may have fallen and hit my head.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 22:23:33 +0000 (UTC)
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Original Posted By:> Charles N. Campbell
George a question. When I fuel plastic containers at a fuel pump, should I touch them (while closed) to the pump body, nozzle?Thanks!Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Sep 30, 2015, at 5:23 PM, George Abernathy wrote:> > I would say err on the side of caution. If two objects are at the same potential they cannot spark. So Ground it! Or, take some measure to make the objects the same > potential. > > How likely it is to spark depends where you are.If in the southwest with very low humidity a significant charge can build up. If it is winter time and dry same thing. > > Use the same precautions to keep from getting a static shock that you would say a shopping cart with rubber wheels and a squealy tennis shoe. > Touching the metal part while the cart is moving will dissipaate the static. > > Or like when grandma slides off the plastic seat covers of the grannie mobile. She learns pretty quickly to hold on to the door handle until her > fouches down. > > I have to explain static down at the vo tech. > > Mutter moan>
George a question. When I fuel plastic containers at a fuel pump, should I touch them (while closed) to the pump body, nozzle?Thanks!Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Sep 30, 2015, at 5:23 PM, George Abernathy wrote:> > I would say err on the side of caution. If two objects are at the same potential they cannot spark. So Ground it! Or, take some measure to make the objects the same > potential. > > How likely it is to spark depends where you are.If in the southwest with very low humidity a significant charge can build up. If it is winter time and dry same thing. > > Use the same precautions to keep from getting a static shock that you would say a shopping cart with rubber wheels and a squealy tennis shoe. > Touching the metal part while the cart is moving will dissipaate the static. > > Or like when grandma slides off the plastic seat covers of the grannie mobile. She learns pretty quickly to hold on to the door handle until her > fouches down. > > I have to explain static down at the vo tech. > > Mutter moan>
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Original Posted By: G Bradley Williams
Jack,The short answer is "yes."The gas can should also be sitting on the ground (not sitting in a vehicle).http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/98-111/Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:22:39 -0400 (EDT)
Jack,The short answer is "yes."The gas can should also be sitting on the ground (not sitting in a vehicle).http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/98-111/Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:22:39 -0400 (EDT)
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Original Posted By: "Jack Textor"
My 2 cents from experience as a fuel trainer with airlines and fbo work.Bonding- is the connection between aircraft and tank/fuel truckGrounding- is the connection between aircraft and actual ground/earthBonding is considered industry standard, and most do not require actual grounding.The sole purpose of bonding is to neutralize the static charge. Most oftenthis static is caused by the truck or tank and not the actual aircraft. (Fuelsloshing and large pumps) A fully bonded and grounded setup is best. If an aircraftdoes not have this setup, touch the nozzle to the closed cap or gas can,add a small tab connected to the tank for bonding. Place gas cans on the ground.What ever process is used the goal is to nuetralize any charge, BEFORE introducingfumes (opening fuel cap). 99.9% of the time there is no problem, butremember the fumes are what ignite. Just like an engine a small static zap betweenthe tank and the nozzle, with the correct fuel air mixture makes for abad day.Great thread! Nice looking tank jake.--------David McBride Rochester, NY dmcb84(at)hotmail.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
My 2 cents from experience as a fuel trainer with airlines and fbo work.Bonding- is the connection between aircraft and tank/fuel truckGrounding- is the connection between aircraft and actual ground/earthBonding is considered industry standard, and most do not require actual grounding.The sole purpose of bonding is to neutralize the static charge. Most oftenthis static is caused by the truck or tank and not the actual aircraft. (Fuelsloshing and large pumps) A fully bonded and grounded setup is best. If an aircraftdoes not have this setup, touch the nozzle to the closed cap or gas can,add a small tab connected to the tank for bonding. Place gas cans on the ground.What ever process is used the goal is to nuetralize any charge, BEFORE introducingfumes (opening fuel cap). 99.9% of the time there is no problem, butremember the fumes are what ignite. Just like an engine a small static zap betweenthe tank and the nozzle, with the correct fuel air mixture makes for abad day.Great thread! Nice looking tank jake.--------David McBride Rochester, NY dmcb84(at)hotmail.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Thanks for the thoughts fellows!-----Original Message-----
Thanks for the thoughts fellows!-----Original Message-----