Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
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Pietenpol-List: Spruce instead of white ash
Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By: Rick
I'm about to join the fuselage halves. The plans show those white ash boards. Ican barely find plain ash let alone white ash. Anyone use spruce instead? Anyreason why white ash is specified? Are there other options?Additionally, if you have any hints or advice on joining the halves, I'm all ears.Thank you--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce instead of white ash
I'm about to join the fuselage halves. The plans show those white ash boards. Ican barely find plain ash let alone white ash. Anyone use spruce instead? Anyreason why white ash is specified? Are there other options?Additionally, if you have any hints or advice on joining the halves, I'm all ears.Thank you--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce instead of white ash
Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
John,I would not substitute any other wood for the white ash. White ash is very strongin both tension and compression. That is why it is used in things like baseballbats, oars and tool handles. Since all the loads from the landing gear andthe lift struts are transferred to these ash boards I would not use anythingelse. If you can't find a source locally, white ash is readily available throughthe Internet.Rick SchreiberNX478RSValparaiso, INSent from my iPad> On May 7, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Pocono John wrote:> > > I'm about to join the fuselage halves. The plans show those white ash boards.I can barely find plain ash let alone white ash. Anyone use spruce instead? Anyreason why white ash is specified? Are there other options?> > Additionally, if you have any hints or advice on joining the halves, I'm allears.> > Thank you> > --------> John> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 956#455956> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
John,I would not substitute any other wood for the white ash. White ash is very strongin both tension and compression. That is why it is used in things like baseballbats, oars and tool handles. Since all the loads from the landing gear andthe lift struts are transferred to these ash boards I would not use anythingelse. If you can't find a source locally, white ash is readily available throughthe Internet.Rick SchreiberNX478RSValparaiso, INSent from my iPad> On May 7, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Pocono John wrote:> > > I'm about to join the fuselage halves. The plans show those white ash boards.I can barely find plain ash let alone white ash. Anyone use spruce instead? Anyreason why white ash is specified? Are there other options?> > Additionally, if you have any hints or advice on joining the halves, I'm allears.> > Thank you> > --------> John> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 956#455956> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By: "Jack Philips"
Thank you Rick. You're quick! I deleted my question just a few minutes after posting.I found the answer after digging through the search feature. Thanks again!--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thank you Rick. You're quick! I deleted my question just a few minutes after posting.I found the answer after digging through the search feature. Thanks again!--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
John,Ash takes some work to find, but if you go to a specialty lumber store youcan find it. It IS important to use ash for the landing gear. Ever wonderwhy most work tools with wooden handles use Ash? Or why baseball bats aremade of Ash? It is because of all woods, ash is the best at withstandingand cushioning impact.In his book What Wood is That?, Herbert Edlin says: "...the same propertiesof strength and resistance to impact ensure the use of ash in exactingconstruction. It makes reliable ladder-rungs, and is chosen for the felloesof wooden wheels - that is, the curved pieces that make up the rim and takethe shocks from the road. Cart shafts for horse-drawn vehicles of all kindsare also made of ash, for they too suffer strain and shock."Those ash boards are there to take the impact and shock of landing. Likemost things Mr. Pietenpol did in his design, they are there for a reason.As for specifically finding "White Ash", there are three varieties of Ashthat grow in North America, White Ash, Green Ash and Black Ash. Black Ashonly grows in the northeastern US and Canada. Green Ash and White Ash growthroughout eastern North America. Most of the ash you find in lumber yardsis White Ash. I can't find that there is much difference in strength andmechanical properties between the three species.I had to go to 3 different lumberyards before I found one that carried ash.It was not labeled as to which species it was. I think I paid about $20 forenough to make the two cross pieces as well as the wooden "V" blocks for thelanding gear (I have the straight axle gear on mine).Good luck,Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
John,Ash takes some work to find, but if you go to a specialty lumber store youcan find it. It IS important to use ash for the landing gear. Ever wonderwhy most work tools with wooden handles use Ash? Or why baseball bats aremade of Ash? It is because of all woods, ash is the best at withstandingand cushioning impact.In his book What Wood is That?, Herbert Edlin says: "...the same propertiesof strength and resistance to impact ensure the use of ash in exactingconstruction. It makes reliable ladder-rungs, and is chosen for the felloesof wooden wheels - that is, the curved pieces that make up the rim and takethe shocks from the road. Cart shafts for horse-drawn vehicles of all kindsare also made of ash, for they too suffer strain and shock."Those ash boards are there to take the impact and shock of landing. Likemost things Mr. Pietenpol did in his design, they are there for a reason.As for specifically finding "White Ash", there are three varieties of Ashthat grow in North America, White Ash, Green Ash and Black Ash. Black Ashonly grows in the northeastern US and Canada. Green Ash and White Ash growthroughout eastern North America. Most of the ash you find in lumber yardsis White Ash. I can't find that there is much difference in strength andmechanical properties between the three species.I had to go to 3 different lumberyards before I found one that carried ash.It was not labeled as to which species it was. I think I paid about $20 forenough to make the two cross pieces as well as the wooden "V" blocks for thelanding gear (I have the straight axle gear on mine).Good luck,Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
I thought the gear legs were specified spruce on the plans. That's what I hadwhen I bought 2rn, and were fine except being poorly fitted. For more strengthI refit with southern yellow pine and they're way more than strong enough.Also, I replaced one of the cross members with red oak and it's fine as well. The part is laminated to 1/4 plywood. Properly fitted and maintained fittings,an oak substitution seems to be just fine. Ash is kinda brittle. One over tightened bolt in the original setup broke outa huge piece of my original crossmember. I remember there being some mention of ash being critical for the ford motor mountsthough. In the sacred text.I wouldn't use spruce for the crossmembers, just not strong enough. I would thinkmost hardwoods in the strength category of hard maple, oak, etc, should befine. Proper fit and construction being important. Southern yellow pine isas strong as red oak. ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
I thought the gear legs were specified spruce on the plans. That's what I hadwhen I bought 2rn, and were fine except being poorly fitted. For more strengthI refit with southern yellow pine and they're way more than strong enough.Also, I replaced one of the cross members with red oak and it's fine as well. The part is laminated to 1/4 plywood. Properly fitted and maintained fittings,an oak substitution seems to be just fine. Ash is kinda brittle. One over tightened bolt in the original setup broke outa huge piece of my original crossmember. I remember there being some mention of ash being critical for the ford motor mountsthough. In the sacred text.I wouldn't use spruce for the crossmembers, just not strong enough. I would thinkmost hardwoods in the strength category of hard maple, oak, etc, should befine. Proper fit and construction being important. Southern yellow pine isas strong as red oak. ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By: "tools"
I sure appreciate the replies. I've had great difficulty finding it at the locallumber yards. One sells it 1" thick and close to eight feet long by 5" (I think).Anyway, in the meantime, I did find this (may have to buy it, and hope it'sacceptable):http://www.rockler.com/white-ash-sold-b ... --JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
I sure appreciate the replies. I've had great difficulty finding it at the locallumber yards. One sells it 1" thick and close to eight feet long by 5" (I think).Anyway, in the meantime, I did find this (may have to buy it, and hope it'sacceptable):http://www.rockler.com/white-ash-sold-b ... --JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By: "tools"
I've been buying stuff from them for over twenty years, can't remember what theirname was originally, and no problems.That wood will be sanded four sides likely, certainly planed 4 sides. Should workperfect. Should also be knot free. I'd call and order to make sure, ratherthan just an online order. ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
I've been buying stuff from them for over twenty years, can't remember what theirname was originally, and no problems.That wood will be sanded four sides likely, certainly planed 4 sides. Should workperfect. Should also be knot free. I'd call and order to make sure, ratherthan just an online order. ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
I've been buying stuff from them for over twenty years, can't remember what theirname was originally, and no problems.That wood will be sanded four sides likely, certainly planed 4 sides. Should workperfect. Should also be knot free. I'd call and order to make sure, ratherthan just an online order. ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
I've been buying stuff from them for over twenty years, can't remember what theirname was originally, and no problems.That wood will be sanded four sides likely, certainly planed 4 sides. Should workperfect. Should also be knot free. I'd call and order to make sure, ratherthan just an online order. ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By: "Ralph"
Thank you Tools.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thank you Tools.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By: "echobravo4"
been busy on the repair. New development. Cracks in fuse on both sides. Airplanes is repaired. Modifying the attach brackets. Will put back together and fly it. Here is the picture linkhttps://picasaweb.google.com/107174509582784625093/6281908641079291233Thanks Andy AbreuRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
been busy on the repair. New development. Cracks in fuse on both sides. Airplanes is repaired. Modifying the attach brackets. Will put back together and fly it. Here is the picture linkhttps://picasaweb.google.com/107174509582784625093/6281908641079291233Thanks Andy AbreuRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By:> "echobravo4"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 05/08/16I am in still in the process of building and I preferred to use wedgeswherever I thought the stress might go high (even instantaneously).The cracks in question might have been caused by a high traverse load onthe left landing gear towards the fuselage other than negative g on leftwing.=8BMy 2 centsSemihOn Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server wrote:> *>> ========================> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive> ========================>> Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version> of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor> such as Notepad or with a web browser.>> HTML Version:>>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestv ... ml&Chapter 16-05-08&Archive=Pietenpol>> Text Version:>>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestv ... xt&Chapter 16-05-08&Archive=Pietenpol>>> ===============================================> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive> ===============================================>>> ----------------------------------------------------------> Pietenpol-List Digest Archive> ---> Total Messages Posted Sun 05/08/16: 3> ---------------------------------------------------------->>> Today's Message Index:> ---------------------->> 1. 06:23 AM - Re: Spruce instead of white ash (echobravo4)> 2. 05:23 PM - Re: Fuselage cracking (womenfly2)> 3. 08:26 PM - Re: Fuselage cracking (aabreu)>>> ________________________________ Message 1> _____________________________________>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 05/08/16I am in still in the process of building and I preferred to use wedgeswherever I thought the stress might go high (even instantaneously).The cracks in question might have been caused by a high traverse load onthe left landing gear towards the fuselage other than negative g on leftwing.=8BMy 2 centsSemihOn Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server wrote:> *>> ========================> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive> ========================>> Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version> of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor> such as Notepad or with a web browser.>> HTML Version:>>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestv ... ml&Chapter 16-05-08&Archive=Pietenpol>> Text Version:>>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestv ... xt&Chapter 16-05-08&Archive=Pietenpol>>> ===============================================> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive> ===============================================>>> ----------------------------------------------------------> Pietenpol-List Digest Archive> ---> Total Messages Posted Sun 05/08/16: 3> ---------------------------------------------------------->>> Today's Message Index:> ---------------------->> 1. 06:23 AM - Re: Spruce instead of white ash (echobravo4)> 2. 05:23 PM - Re: Fuselage cracking (womenfly2)> 3. 08:26 PM - Re: Fuselage cracking (aabreu)>>> ________________________________ Message 1> _____________________________________>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Thank! I'd like to order all the white ash at once. I'm stuck on these:1) if it's labeled just ash and not white ash, is that OK?2) Sheet 1 seems to indicate two pieces 3/4 X 2 X 24. However, sheet 3 seems toindicate one piece of that dimension and the other piece 1 X 2 X 24 (which tapersto 3/4).3) here's a shopping list I have so far:-one piece 3/4 X 2 X 24-one piece either 3/4 X 2 X 24 or 1 X 2 X 24-one piece 1 X 2 1/4 X 22 1/2-one piece 2 X 2 1/2 X 22 1/2-one piece 1 1/4 X 1 1/2 X ?-one piece 2 X 1 X 24--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thank! I'd like to order all the white ash at once. I'm stuck on these:1) if it's labeled just ash and not white ash, is that OK?2) Sheet 1 seems to indicate two pieces 3/4 X 2 X 24. However, sheet 3 seems toindicate one piece of that dimension and the other piece 1 X 2 X 24 (which tapersto 3/4).3) here's a shopping list I have so far:-one piece 3/4 X 2 X 24-one piece either 3/4 X 2 X 24 or 1 X 2 X 24-one piece 1 X 2 1/4 X 22 1/2-one piece 2 X 2 1/2 X 22 1/2-one piece 1 1/4 X 1 1/2 X ?-one piece 2 X 1 X 24--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables and tape
Original Posted By:> ** owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables and tapeJust a reminder, you can use fairleads or pulleys to support the cable orchange directions. I used phenolic blocks to stabilize the cables runningto the rudder and pedals and protect the wood that it ran near.Fairleads are are softer than the metal cable and somewhat slick. Nylontubes, plastic blocks, Phenolic pieces.......NOTE 3 degrees is considered the limit for using a fairlead. over 3 degreesyou should use a pulley.On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Jack Textor wrote:> Ralph I too would like to see pictures. The rudder cables do not cross.> You may be thinking of the cables that cross between the center struts.> For the rudder cables I=99m currently making pulleys with cable guards that> will go below the seat on each side, in line with the rudder bar> connection. They will then go through a fairlead attached to the fuselage> diaginal, then exit the fuselage side. Clear as mud? You need to keep in> mind how you will route the cables for your tailwheel. Some attach them to> the rudder cables and others like Jack Phillips run separate cables to the> rudder bar. I=99ve not decided which way I plan to do it. Hope this helps> some.>> Jack>>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables and tapeJust a reminder, you can use fairleads or pulleys to support the cable orchange directions. I used phenolic blocks to stabilize the cables runningto the rudder and pedals and protect the wood that it ran near.Fairleads are are softer than the metal cable and somewhat slick. Nylontubes, plastic blocks, Phenolic pieces.......NOTE 3 degrees is considered the limit for using a fairlead. over 3 degreesyou should use a pulley.On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Jack Textor wrote:> Ralph I too would like to see pictures. The rudder cables do not cross.> You may be thinking of the cables that cross between the center struts.> For the rudder cables I=99m currently making pulleys with cable guards that> will go below the seat on each side, in line with the rudder bar> connection. They will then go through a fairlead attached to the fuselage> diaginal, then exit the fuselage side. Clear as mud? You need to keep in> mind how you will route the cables for your tailwheel. Some attach them to> the rudder cables and others like Jack Phillips run separate cables to the> rudder bar. I=99ve not decided which way I plan to do it. Hope this helps> some.>> Jack>>
Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder cables and tape
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
john; as Jack said there isn't much difference in the species so "ash" would be fine.i have a Woodcraft in town so i was able to go and pick out the pieces i wanted.i picked up a couple of the 3"x3"x36" and cut and planed pieces down to whati needed.the front crosspiece i did make 1"x2" and tapered the ends to 3/4"--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder cables and tape
john; as Jack said there isn't much difference in the species so "ash" would be fine.i have a Woodcraft in town so i was able to go and pick out the pieces i wanted.i picked up a couple of the 3"x3"x36" and cut and planed pieces down to whati needed.the front crosspiece i did make 1"x2" and tapered the ends to 3/4"--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder cables and tape
Original Posted By: "Ralph"
You builders who are working out your rudder and tailwheel cable routing are goingto hear an echo here, but "check out Westcoastpiet"!! It's a treasure chestof information! Take twenty minutes and just click on the photo links of anyof the Piets listed there, and you will find all you're looking for... and more.Much more.I'll throw in just one image, from my own airplane, of the view from the pilot'sseat back into the tailcone:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/trim02.jpgI know it's fuzzy, and ignore the green bungee that serves as elevator trim, butthe point is that the rudder cables turn up after leaving the back of the seat(on NX41CC there are both Formica and nylon fairleads till the cables exitthe tail fabric). For the tailwheel cables, there are nylon fairleads along thelower longeron x-members until the cables exit the tail fabric. Bear in mindthat you will NEVER be able to reach back there to get to those fairleads,whether or not you have a belly access plate, so do it right the first time (preferablybefore covering), and you'll never have to worry about it again.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
You builders who are working out your rudder and tailwheel cable routing are goingto hear an echo here, but "check out Westcoastpiet"!! It's a treasure chestof information! Take twenty minutes and just click on the photo links of anyof the Piets listed there, and you will find all you're looking for... and more.Much more.I'll throw in just one image, from my own airplane, of the view from the pilot'sseat back into the tailcone:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/trim02.jpgI know it's fuzzy, and ignore the green bungee that serves as elevator trim, butthe point is that the rudder cables turn up after leaving the back of the seat(on NX41CC there are both Formica and nylon fairleads till the cables exitthe tail fabric). For the tailwheel cables, there are nylon fairleads along thelower longeron x-members until the cables exit the tail fabric. Bear in mindthat you will NEVER be able to reach back there to get to those fairleads,whether or not you have a belly access plate, so do it right the first time (preferablybefore covering), and you'll never have to worry about it again.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Favor
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Thanks for the responses to my rudder cable questions. My taping the cross cables question wasn=99t very clear. I was thinking of the drag/antidrag cables inside the wing and the cross cables on the wing struts. I am currently fitting the jury struts brackets on the spars and then hope to start covering the wings.Ralph________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Favor
Thanks for the responses to my rudder cable questions. My taping the cross cables question wasn=99t very clear. I was thinking of the drag/antidrag cables inside the wing and the cross cables on the wing struts. I am currently fitting the jury struts brackets on the spars and then hope to start covering the wings.Ralph________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Favor
Original Posted By: "Jack Textor"
I see it Jerry--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I see it Jerry--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder cables and tape
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Thanks Oscar!-----Original Message-----
Thanks Oscar!-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
Really clever using the string with knots. So very simple.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Really clever using the string with knots. So very simple.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce instead of white ash
Original Posted By: MacBook Pro
Thanksand just to wrap up, I found this site. They have 3" X 3" X 24" (5th frombottom of list)and it seems several of those should work for all locating:http://www.bellforestproducts.com/white ... --JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanksand just to wrap up, I found this site. They have 3" X 3" X 24" (5th frombottom of list)and it seems several of those should work for all locating:http://www.bellforestproducts.com/white ... --JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage questions
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Hi,The fuselage plans (sheet 1) specify gussets of one-eighth by two and a quarter cut to suit, but a check of the plan scale suggests a width closer to 3 inches. Considering the current thread regarding the importance of the gussets and construction techniques, is the specified gusset size sufficient?I recollect reading a post regarding discrepancies between measurements given on sheet 1 and those on sheet 3. My plans show the intersection of the first two diagonals on the bottom longeron as 10=94, but the placement of the front landing gear fitting (sheet 3) is 7=94. Advice please?Regards from =91way Down Under,David BoarderThe ox is slow, but the earth is patient.David Boarderdboarder(at)internode.on.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage questions
Hi,The fuselage plans (sheet 1) specify gussets of one-eighth by two and a quarter cut to suit, but a check of the plan scale suggests a width closer to 3 inches. Considering the current thread regarding the importance of the gussets and construction techniques, is the specified gusset size sufficient?I recollect reading a post regarding discrepancies between measurements given on sheet 1 and those on sheet 3. My plans show the intersection of the first two diagonals on the bottom longeron as 10=94, but the placement of the front landing gear fitting (sheet 3) is 7=94. Advice please?Regards from =91way Down Under,David BoarderThe ox is slow, but the earth is patient.David Boarderdboarder(at)internode.on.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage questions
Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage questions
Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
David; good questions, all.(1) if you take a minute or two with your scale and you check dimensions on Sheet1 of the drawings, you will find that a very significant number of things donot scale. For that reason, I would NOT scale off of the drawings if a specificdimension is called out. Heck, don't even bother taking several minutesfor this exercise... on the side view where the gusset sizes are called out, justcheck the first two dimensions across the top of the fuselage side to convinceyourself... First dimension is given as 7-1/2" but scales as 8"; next dimensionis given as 11-5/8" but scales as 10-5/8". Put away the scale and usethe dimensions and gusset sizes if they are called out ;o)(2) I am not seeing on Sheet 3 where a 7" dimension is called out for placing thefront landing gear fitting, but it is very important that the 2"x1" ash crosspiecein the floor goes across to where those diagonals join the longerons,10" aft of the face of the first verticals. The two AN3 bolts that hold the landinggear fitting to the underside of the airplane must pass through the ashcrosspiece and the holes should not be near the edges of the crosspiece. Inany event, you will construct the fuselage frame first and then construct thelanding gear legs to fit the actual as-built fuselage, so concern yourself withbuilding the fuselage with all the members in their proper locations and thenthey will act as a jig for you to fit up the metal parts later.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage questions
David; good questions, all.(1) if you take a minute or two with your scale and you check dimensions on Sheet1 of the drawings, you will find that a very significant number of things donot scale. For that reason, I would NOT scale off of the drawings if a specificdimension is called out. Heck, don't even bother taking several minutesfor this exercise... on the side view where the gusset sizes are called out, justcheck the first two dimensions across the top of the fuselage side to convinceyourself... First dimension is given as 7-1/2" but scales as 8"; next dimensionis given as 11-5/8" but scales as 10-5/8". Put away the scale and usethe dimensions and gusset sizes if they are called out ;o)(2) I am not seeing on Sheet 3 where a 7" dimension is called out for placing thefront landing gear fitting, but it is very important that the 2"x1" ash crosspiecein the floor goes across to where those diagonals join the longerons,10" aft of the face of the first verticals. The two AN3 bolts that hold the landinggear fitting to the underside of the airplane must pass through the ashcrosspiece and the holes should not be near the edges of the crosspiece. Inany event, you will construct the fuselage frame first and then construct thelanding gear legs to fit the actual as-built fuselage, so concern yourself withbuilding the fuselage with all the members in their proper locations and thenthey will act as a jig for you to fit up the metal parts later.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage questions
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Gathering
Original Posted By: "mijab"
Regarding the "discrepancies between measurements given on sheet 1 and those onsheet 3"..sheet 1 shows both ash board as 3/4 X 2, but sheet 3 shows that oneboard is actually 1 X 2 and tapers to 3/4. As fas I'm concerned, sheet 3 is thecorrect one and my ash at the wheel area will be 1X2 and tapered to 3/4.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Gathering
Regarding the "discrepancies between measurements given on sheet 1 and those onsheet 3"..sheet 1 shows both ash board as 3/4 X 2, but sheet 3 shows that oneboard is actually 1 X 2 and tapers to 3/4. As fas I'm concerned, sheet 3 is thecorrect one and my ash at the wheel area will be 1X2 and tapered to 3/4.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Gathering
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Gathering
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Hi,I am new to the forum and am considering a Piet build so I would very much liketo attend the upcoming West Coast Piet Gathering. I have searched a bit but havenot found the actual published date so could someone please confirm that itwill be held on June 4th.Thanks,mijab--------mijabRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Gathering
Hi,I am new to the forum and am considering a Piet build so I would very much liketo attend the upcoming West Coast Piet Gathering. I have searched a bit but havenot found the actual published date so could someone please confirm that itwill be held on June 4th.Thanks,mijab--------mijabRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Gathering
Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Gathering
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
A quick search finds the following:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... heringRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Gathering
A quick search finds the following:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... heringRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Gathering