Original Posted By: jkahn(at)picasso.dehavilland.ca (John Kahn)
I have looked around Steve's web page and found some resources forobtaining drawings but, I thought that I would ask the group specificly:* What is the best source(s) for obtaining a "complete" set of drawingsand builders manual (if there is one) for the "improved" Air Camper with3 section wing and jury struts?* Are the drawings available on disk in AutoCAD format?Thanks!________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Piet Plans
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Plans
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
>obtaining drawings but, I thought that I would ask the group specificly:> What is the best source(s) for obtaining a "complete" set of drawingsandbuilders manual (if there is one) for the "improved" Air Camper with>3section wing and jury struts?Carl- I obtained my plans from the son of Bernard Pietenpol, Donald Pietenpol1604 Meadow Circle SERochester, MN 55904-5251(507)-289-2436He has plans for the 65 Cont. motor mount, wood gear, full scale wing rib drawing, general plans, and a buildersmanual which covers alot of model A ground and lots ofQ and A about Piets in general. They are reasonably priceddrawings. I believe Vitalis Kapler has the 3 pce wing drawingsbut I don't have his address at the moment. You may already have been there, but just in case the Pietenpolhomepage address edited by the talented Grant MacLaren isat http://users.aol.com/bpanews/www.htmlAlso as a side note, two designs are nicknamed Air Campers:There is a Pietenpol Air Camper and a Grega Air Camper.The Grega looks very much like a Piet, but the plans comefrom another gentleman here in Ohio. It was designed to usesome Cub parts I understand. MC________________________________________________________________________________
>obtaining drawings but, I thought that I would ask the group specificly:> What is the best source(s) for obtaining a "complete" set of drawingsandbuilders manual (if there is one) for the "improved" Air Camper with>3section wing and jury struts?Carl- I obtained my plans from the son of Bernard Pietenpol, Donald Pietenpol1604 Meadow Circle SERochester, MN 55904-5251(507)-289-2436He has plans for the 65 Cont. motor mount, wood gear, full scale wing rib drawing, general plans, and a buildersmanual which covers alot of model A ground and lots ofQ and A about Piets in general. They are reasonably priceddrawings. I believe Vitalis Kapler has the 3 pce wing drawingsbut I don't have his address at the moment. You may already have been there, but just in case the Pietenpolhomepage address edited by the talented Grant MacLaren isat http://users.aol.com/bpanews/www.htmlAlso as a side note, two designs are nicknamed Air Campers:There is a Pietenpol Air Camper and a Grega Air Camper.The Grega looks very much like a Piet, but the plans comefrom another gentleman here in Ohio. It was designed to usesome Cub parts I understand. MC________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Plans
Original Posted By: jimvan1(at)juno.com
> > Also as a side note, two designs are nicknamed Air Campers:> There is a Pietenpol Air Camper and a Grega Air Camper.> The Grega looks very much like a Piet, but the plans come> from another gentleman here in Ohio. It was designed to use> some Cub parts I understand. MC> I have the Grega 3 view and and from what I can tell thedifferences are mainly:3 piece wing. Same airfoil as the Peit.Cubish wing cabane and spar fittings, somewhat heavier than the Piet. The top cabane bolts are fore and aft, which would seem to preclude moving thewing fore and aft to compensate for CG. Generally beefier wing strut, gear, and engine mountfittings.Plywood skin all the way to the tail post.The rudder horn is near the bottom. It's the easiest way totell a Grega from a Piet.J3 gear and engine mount.J3 control stick assembly and torque tube. The aileron cables are forward, going up the forward cabanes.J3 nose gas tank.The gross is 1150 lbs.The control surface hinges are eyebolts. Rather clever.Designed for continentals up to C-90.I would expect a Grega to come out about 30-50 lbsheavier for a given engine installation, judging by the extra structure. Most people seem to think the extra heft is unnecessary.John K________________________________________________________________________________
> > Also as a side note, two designs are nicknamed Air Campers:> There is a Pietenpol Air Camper and a Grega Air Camper.> The Grega looks very much like a Piet, but the plans come> from another gentleman here in Ohio. It was designed to use> some Cub parts I understand. MC> I have the Grega 3 view and and from what I can tell thedifferences are mainly:3 piece wing. Same airfoil as the Peit.Cubish wing cabane and spar fittings, somewhat heavier than the Piet. The top cabane bolts are fore and aft, which would seem to preclude moving thewing fore and aft to compensate for CG. Generally beefier wing strut, gear, and engine mountfittings.Plywood skin all the way to the tail post.The rudder horn is near the bottom. It's the easiest way totell a Grega from a Piet.J3 gear and engine mount.J3 control stick assembly and torque tube. The aileron cables are forward, going up the forward cabanes.J3 nose gas tank.The gross is 1150 lbs.The control surface hinges are eyebolts. Rather clever.Designed for continentals up to C-90.I would expect a Grega to come out about 30-50 lbsheavier for a given engine installation, judging by the extra structure. Most people seem to think the extra heft is unnecessary.John K________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Plans
Original Posted By: Pietenpol Discussion
John K. wrote: it's easiest to tell a Grega from" the rudder horn is near the bottom"Not necessirily. I know of at least 3 pietenpol aircampers with the horn near the bottom. if you have hydrollic brakes (toe) then you must move the rudder in-line with the cable to keep the stress off the horn. It will bend. Also by butting a pully and cable under the seat connected to the rudder pedals it will equilize the pressure and save the horn.regards,Domenico B. ----------________________________________________________________________________________
John K. wrote: it's easiest to tell a Grega from" the rudder horn is near the bottom"Not necessirily. I know of at least 3 pietenpol aircampers with the horn near the bottom. if you have hydrollic brakes (toe) then you must move the rudder in-line with the cable to keep the stress off the horn. It will bend. Also by butting a pully and cable under the seat connected to the rudder pedals it will equilize the pressure and save the horn.regards,Domenico B. ----------________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Plans
Original Posted By: jkahn(at)picasso.dehavilland.ca (John Kahn), on 7/23/97 2:22 PM:
What are the differences between the plans offered by Don Pietenpol and those offered by Orrin Hoopman? -------------Original Text________________________________________________________________________________
What are the differences between the plans offered by Don Pietenpol and those offered by Orrin Hoopman? -------------Original Text________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Plans
Original Posted By: Ted Brousseau
dswagler(at)cobkf.ang.af.mil wrote:> > What are the differences between the plans offered by Don Pietenpol and> those offered by Orrin Hoopman?I bought a set from both. The main difference is Mr. Hoopman charges $40.00 and Mr. Pietenpol about $65.00. The main drawings are the same size and quality. Seems like Mr. Pietenpol may have additional utility (optional) drawingsBill________________________________________________________________________________
dswagler(at)cobkf.ang.af.mil wrote:> > What are the differences between the plans offered by Don Pietenpol and> those offered by Orrin Hoopman?I bought a set from both. The main difference is Mr. Hoopman charges $40.00 and Mr. Pietenpol about $65.00. The main drawings are the same size and quality. Seems like Mr. Pietenpol may have additional utility (optional) drawingsBill________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Plans
Original Posted By: "ernest l. hagness"
>>obtaining drawings but, I thought that I would ask the group specificly:>> What is the best source(s) for obtaining a "complete" set of drawingsand>builders manual (if there is one) for the "improved" Air Camper with>3>section wing and jury struts?>>Carl- I obtained my plans from the son of Bernard Pietenpol, >>Donald Pietenpol>1604 Meadow Circle SE>Rochester, MN 55904-5251>(507)-289-2436>>He has plans for the 65 Cont. motor mount, wood gear, >full scale wing rib drawing, general plans, and a builders>manual which covers alot of model A ground and lots of>Q and A about Piets in general. They are reasonably priced>drawings. I believe Vitalis Kapler has the 3 pce wing drawings>but I don't have his address at the moment. >Vitalis Kapler1033 Forest Hills Dr. SWRochester, MN 55902507-288-3322I got my 3-pc wing plans for $10.________________________________________________________________________________
>>obtaining drawings but, I thought that I would ask the group specificly:>> What is the best source(s) for obtaining a "complete" set of drawingsand>builders manual (if there is one) for the "improved" Air Camper with>3>section wing and jury struts?>>Carl- I obtained my plans from the son of Bernard Pietenpol, >>Donald Pietenpol>1604 Meadow Circle SE>Rochester, MN 55904-5251>(507)-289-2436>>He has plans for the 65 Cont. motor mount, wood gear, >full scale wing rib drawing, general plans, and a builders>manual which covers alot of model A ground and lots of>Q and A about Piets in general. They are reasonably priced>drawings. I believe Vitalis Kapler has the 3 pce wing drawings>but I don't have his address at the moment. >Vitalis Kapler1033 Forest Hills Dr. SWRochester, MN 55902507-288-3322I got my 3-pc wing plans for $10.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Plans
Original Posted By: Dick Dery
If you want to go with a one peace weing the weight will be very close. Iknow the one peace is not an option with the GN1 but I have been told it willwork.________________________________________________________________________________
If you want to go with a one peace weing the weight will be very close. Iknow the one peace is not an option with the GN1 but I have been told it willwork.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Plans
Original Posted By: Gary Gower
Weight is the biggest problem with the Pietenpol Aircamper. The 3 piecewing adds about 6 pounds. I would suggest that you make a 2 piece wing.Make one side so it includes the center section and make the other so itis only the outer panel. This saves 3 pounds of fittings and the time req=uired to produce them. The rigging may be a little harder but the perform=ance difference with a lighter airframe will be well worth it. Of coursethe best solution is to make the one piece wing if you have the room tostore it.> >>obtaining drawings but, I thought that I would ask the group specific=ly:> >> What is the best source(s) for obtaining a "complete" set of drawing=s> and> >builders manual (if there is one) for the "improved" Air Camper with>3> >section wing and jury struts?> >> >Carl- I obtained my plans from the son of Bernard Pietenpol,> >> >Donald Pietenpol> >1604 Meadow Circle SE> >Rochester, MN 55904-5251> >(507)-289-2436> >> >He has plans for the 65 Cont. motor mount, wood gear,> >full scale wing rib drawing, general plans, and a builders> >manual which covers alot of model A ground and lots of> >Q and A about Piets in general. They are reasonably priced> >drawings. I believe Vitalis Kapler has the 3 pce wing drawings> >but I don't have his address at the moment.> >> Vitalis Kapler> 1033 Forest Hills Dr. SW> Rochester, MN 55902> 507-288-3322>> I got my 3-pc wing plans for $10.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Weight is the biggest problem with the Pietenpol Aircamper. The 3 piecewing adds about 6 pounds. I would suggest that you make a 2 piece wing.Make one side so it includes the center section and make the other so itis only the outer panel. This saves 3 pounds of fittings and the time req=uired to produce them. The rigging may be a little harder but the perform=ance difference with a lighter airframe will be well worth it. Of coursethe best solution is to make the one piece wing if you have the room tostore it.> >>obtaining drawings but, I thought that I would ask the group specific=ly:> >> What is the best source(s) for obtaining a "complete" set of drawing=s> and> >builders manual (if there is one) for the "improved" Air Camper with>3> >section wing and jury struts?> >> >Carl- I obtained my plans from the son of Bernard Pietenpol,> >> >Donald Pietenpol> >1604 Meadow Circle SE> >Rochester, MN 55904-5251> >(507)-289-2436> >> >He has plans for the 65 Cont. motor mount, wood gear,> >full scale wing rib drawing, general plans, and a builders> >manual which covers alot of model A ground and lots of> >Q and A about Piets in general. They are reasonably priced> >drawings. I believe Vitalis Kapler has the 3 pce wing drawings> >but I don't have his address at the moment.> >> Vitalis Kapler> 1033 Forest Hills Dr. SW> Rochester, MN 55902> 507-288-3322>> I got my 3-pc wing plans for $10.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Piet Plans
Original Posted By: John Duprey
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Plans
Original Posted By: "John Duprey"
"Richard DeCosta" Feel free to contact me off the list as well. I am in Scarborough, ME, rightnext to Portland. If you're going to be in the area, you can come by and seeone in person.Completed to date: - All woodwork on fuselage - Horizontal & vertical stabilizers, rudder & elevators - Control system in fuselage - 28 wing ribs, most of left wing construction - Most of Model A conversion - Motor mount, cowlingCheers,Richard----- Original Message -----
"Richard DeCosta" Feel free to contact me off the list as well. I am in Scarborough, ME, rightnext to Portland. If you're going to be in the area, you can come by and seeone in person.Completed to date: - All woodwork on fuselage - Horizontal & vertical stabilizers, rudder & elevators - Control system in fuselage - 28 wing ribs, most of left wing construction - Most of Model A conversion - Motor mount, cowlingCheers,Richard----- Original Message -----
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Plans
Original Posted By: jkahn(at)picasso.dehavilland.ca (John Kahn)
>> Also as a side note, two designs are nicknamed Air Campers:> There is a Pietenpol Air Camper and a Grega Air Camper.> The Grega looks very much like a Piet, but the plans come> from another gentleman here in Ohio. It was designed to use> some Cub parts I understand. MC>I have the Grega 3 view and and from what I can tell thedifferences are mainly:3 piece wing. Same airfoil as the Peit.Cubish wing cabane and spar fittings, somewhat heavier than the Piet. Thetop cabane bolts are fore and aft, which would seem to preclude moving thewing fore and aft to compensate for CG.Generally beefier wing strut, gear, and engine mountfittings.Plywood skin all the way to the tail post.The rudder horn is near the bottom. It's the easiest way totell a Grega from a Piet.J3 gear and engine mount.J3 control stick assembly and torque tube. The aileron cablesare forward, going up the forward cabanes.J3 nose gas tank.The gross is 1150 lbs.The control surface hinges are eyebolts. Rather clever.Designed for continentals up to C-90.I would expect a Grega to come out about 30-50 lbsheavier for a given engine installation, judging by the extrastructure. Most people seem to think the extra heft isunnecessary.John K ------ Message Header Follows ------ (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.8d for Windows NT(tm))1997 18:37:48 UT by yvax.byu.edu (PMDF V5.1-8 #23832) with ESMTP id forDate: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:22:13 -0400________________________________________________________________________________
>> Also as a side note, two designs are nicknamed Air Campers:> There is a Pietenpol Air Camper and a Grega Air Camper.> The Grega looks very much like a Piet, but the plans come> from another gentleman here in Ohio. It was designed to use> some Cub parts I understand. MC>I have the Grega 3 view and and from what I can tell thedifferences are mainly:3 piece wing. Same airfoil as the Peit.Cubish wing cabane and spar fittings, somewhat heavier than the Piet. Thetop cabane bolts are fore and aft, which would seem to preclude moving thewing fore and aft to compensate for CG.Generally beefier wing strut, gear, and engine mountfittings.Plywood skin all the way to the tail post.The rudder horn is near the bottom. It's the easiest way totell a Grega from a Piet.J3 gear and engine mount.J3 control stick assembly and torque tube. The aileron cablesare forward, going up the forward cabanes.J3 nose gas tank.The gross is 1150 lbs.The control surface hinges are eyebolts. Rather clever.Designed for continentals up to C-90.I would expect a Grega to come out about 30-50 lbsheavier for a given engine installation, judging by the extrastructure. Most people seem to think the extra heft isunnecessary.John K ------ Message Header Follows ------ (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.8d for Windows NT(tm))1997 18:37:48 UT by yvax.byu.edu (PMDF V5.1-8 #23832) with ESMTP id forDate: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:22:13 -0400________________________________________________________________________________