Original Posted By: "Richard DeCosta"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fairing strip>Hi all;; getting ready to varnish the fuselage and in looking over the>bottom I find myself questioning the need for a fairing strip down the>center of the bottom. The plans only call for strips on the back halfbehind>the plywood base and that would have the fabric in full contact with the>plywood base. Is this as it should be or has anyone added that center>fairing strip???>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: fairing strip
Pietenpol-List: fairing strip
Original Posted By: michael list
Hi all;; getting ready to varnish the fuselage and in looking over thebottom I find myself questioning the need for a fairing strip down thecenter of the bottom. The plans only call for strips on the back half behindthe plywood base and that would have the fabric in full contact with theplywood base. Is this as it should be or has anyone added that centerfairing strip???________________________________________________________________________________
Hi all;; getting ready to varnish the fuselage and in looking over thebottom I find myself questioning the need for a fairing strip down thecenter of the bottom. The plans only call for strips on the back half behindthe plywood base and that would have the fabric in full contact with theplywood base. Is this as it should be or has anyone added that centerfairing strip???________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: fairing strip
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: fairing strip>Concerning fairing strips on the bottom:>>A stringer down the belly might be a bit more elegant. However, people>might not ever see it, and it adds weight and complexity.>>John>>I put two small fairing strips on the bottom, It hides all the bolt heads>and fittings, keeps the fabric from slapping the floor in prop-wash, and I>didn't have the weight of the extra cement to keep it stuck to the floor>everywhere. I'd do it again. weight penalty would be an ounce or so.>>Steve E.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: fairing strip>Concerning fairing strips on the bottom:>>A stringer down the belly might be a bit more elegant. However, people>might not ever see it, and it adds weight and complexity.>>John>>I put two small fairing strips on the bottom, It hides all the bolt heads>and fittings, keeps the fabric from slapping the floor in prop-wash, and I>didn't have the weight of the extra cement to keep it stuck to the floor>everywhere. I'd do it again. weight penalty would be an ounce or so.>>Steve E.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: fairing strip
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: fairing strip>Concerning fairing strips on the bottom:>>A stringer down the belly might be a bit more elegant. However, people>might not ever see it, and it adds weight and complexity.>>John>>I put two small fairing strips on the bottom, It hides all the bolt heads>and fittings, keeps the fabric from slapping the floor in prop-wash, andI>didn't have the weight of the extra cement to keep it stuck to the floor>everywhere. I'd do it again. weight penalty would be an ounce or so.>>Steve E.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: fairing strip>Concerning fairing strips on the bottom:>>A stringer down the belly might be a bit more elegant. However, people>might not ever see it, and it adds weight and complexity.>>John>>I put two small fairing strips on the bottom, It hides all the bolt heads>and fittings, keeps the fabric from slapping the floor in prop-wash, andI>didn't have the weight of the extra cement to keep it stuck to the floor>everywhere. I'd do it again. weight penalty would be an ounce or so.>>Steve E.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: fairing strip
Original Posted By: LanhamOS(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: fairing strip>Concerning fairing strips on the bottom:>>A stringer down the belly might be a bit more elegant. However, people>might not ever see it, and it adds weight and complexity.>>John>>I put two small fairing strips on the bottom, It hides all the bolt heads>and fittings, keeps the fabric from slapping the floor in prop-wash, and I>didn't have the weight of the extra cement to keep it stuck to the floor>everywhere. I'd do it again. weight penalty would be an ounce or so.>>Steve E.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: fairing strip>Concerning fairing strips on the bottom:>>A stringer down the belly might be a bit more elegant. However, people>might not ever see it, and it adds weight and complexity.>>John>>I put two small fairing strips on the bottom, It hides all the bolt heads>and fittings, keeps the fabric from slapping the floor in prop-wash, and I>didn't have the weight of the extra cement to keep it stuck to the floor>everywhere. I'd do it again. weight penalty would be an ounce or so.>>Steve E.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fairing strip
Original Posted By: "Larsen, Ed"
I was also told that having a fairing on the bottom helps to drain out any water that might get in there by way of condensation, etc.On 14 Sep 98 at 10:25, Michael D Cuy wrote:> >Hi all;; getting ready to varnish the fuselage and in looking over the> >bottom I find myself questioning the need for a fairing strip down the> >center of the bottom.> > Joe- Lots of ways to go with this part of the plane- Some leave> the bare plywood, some run one or two 1" or so high stringers down> the belly. I ran two all the way from the firewall to tail then> tapered them down at both ends. This way your nuts and bolt heads> won't bulge out against the fabric. (which will eventually rub> thru, or get a hole by when you sand your finishes) I just bought> the triangular 3/4" x 3/4" spruce from Wicks to glue on each side of> the stringer every foot or so. Try to brace the stringers as they> flow beyond the belly plywood floor area too because when you heat> taughten your fabric the un-reinforced stringers may buckle or bow> on you. Richard DeCostaWeb/CGI Programming - Auto Europe, LLC Web: http://www.autoeurope.com Ph: 207-842-2064 Fax: 207-842-2239PERSONAL: http://207.140.1.221/w3builder_________ ... __________
I was also told that having a fairing on the bottom helps to drain out any water that might get in there by way of condensation, etc.On 14 Sep 98 at 10:25, Michael D Cuy wrote:> >Hi all;; getting ready to varnish the fuselage and in looking over the> >bottom I find myself questioning the need for a fairing strip down the> >center of the bottom.> > Joe- Lots of ways to go with this part of the plane- Some leave> the bare plywood, some run one or two 1" or so high stringers down> the belly. I ran two all the way from the firewall to tail then> tapered them down at both ends. This way your nuts and bolt heads> won't bulge out against the fabric. (which will eventually rub> thru, or get a hole by when you sand your finishes) I just bought> the triangular 3/4" x 3/4" spruce from Wicks to glue on each side of> the stringer every foot or so. Try to brace the stringers as they> flow beyond the belly plywood floor area too because when you heat> taughten your fabric the un-reinforced stringers may buckle or bow> on you. Richard DeCostaWeb/CGI Programming - Auto Europe, LLC Web: http://www.autoeurope.com Ph: 207-842-2064 Fax: 207-842-2239PERSONAL: http://207.140.1.221/w3builder_________ ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fairing strip
Original Posted By: Joe Czaplicki
Yes, the fabric should be in contact with the floor.and,Yes, I have seen a fairing strip down the center.I don't have a strong opinion on this. I covered my fuselage recently, andthe floor looks fine. People only see the belly of the plane clearly onthose blinding high speed, low level passes. Probably don't get a good lookeven then.A stringer down the belly might be a bit more elegant. However, peoplemight not ever see it, and it adds weight and complexity.John-----Original Message-----
Yes, the fabric should be in contact with the floor.and,Yes, I have seen a fairing strip down the center.I don't have a strong opinion on this. I covered my fuselage recently, andthe floor looks fine. People only see the belly of the plane clearly onthose blinding high speed, low level passes. Probably don't get a good lookeven then.A stringer down the belly might be a bit more elegant. However, peoplemight not ever see it, and it adds weight and complexity.John-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: RE: fairing strip
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Concerning fairing strips on the bottom:A stringer down the belly might be a bit more elegant. However, peoplemight not ever see it, and it adds weight and complexity.JohnI put two small fairing strips on the bottom, It hides all the bolt headsand fittings, keeps the fabric from slapping the floor in prop-wash, and Ididn't have the weight of the extra cement to keep it stuck to the flooreverywhere. I'd do it again. weight penalty would be an ounce or so.Steve E.________________________________________________________________________________
Concerning fairing strips on the bottom:A stringer down the belly might be a bit more elegant. However, peoplemight not ever see it, and it adds weight and complexity.JohnI put two small fairing strips on the bottom, It hides all the bolt headsand fittings, keeps the fabric from slapping the floor in prop-wash, and Ididn't have the weight of the extra cement to keep it stuck to the flooreverywhere. I'd do it again. weight penalty would be an ounce or so.Steve E.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fairing strip
Original Posted By: "Richard DeCosta"
>Hi all;; getting ready to varnish the fuselage and in looking over the>bottom I find myself questioning the need for a fairing strip down the>center of the bottom.Joe- Lots of ways to go with this part of the plane- Some leave thebare plywood, some run one or two 1" or so high stringers down the belly. I ran two all the way from the firewall to tail then tapered themdown at both ends. This way your nuts and bolt heads won't bulge outagainst the fabric. (which will eventually rub thru, or get a hole by whenyou sand your finishes) I just bought the triangular 3/4" x 3/4"spruce from Wicks to glue on each side of the stringer every foot orso. Try to brace the stringers as they flow beyond the belly plywoodfloor area too because when you heat taughten your fabric the un-reinforced stringers may buckle or bow on you. ________________________________________________________________________________
>Hi all;; getting ready to varnish the fuselage and in looking over the>bottom I find myself questioning the need for a fairing strip down the>center of the bottom.Joe- Lots of ways to go with this part of the plane- Some leave thebare plywood, some run one or two 1" or so high stringers down the belly. I ran two all the way from the firewall to tail then tapered themdown at both ends. This way your nuts and bolt heads won't bulge outagainst the fabric. (which will eventually rub thru, or get a hole by whenyou sand your finishes) I just bought the triangular 3/4" x 3/4"spruce from Wicks to glue on each side of the stringer every foot orso. Try to brace the stringers as they flow beyond the belly plywoodfloor area too because when you heat taughten your fabric the un-reinforced stringers may buckle or bow on you. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fairing strip
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Steve,I didn't think about the bolt heads. I bet that makes it look cleaner.The fabric hitting the floor in prop-wash is a non-issue. I used topoly-brush to stick the fabric to the floor. It ain't goin' nowhere.If I had it to do again, I'd consider the stringers. It seems like where Inoticed them was on Sky Gypsy -- a clearly elegant airplane.John-----Original Message-----
Steve,I didn't think about the bolt heads. I bet that makes it look cleaner.The fabric hitting the floor in prop-wash is a non-issue. I used topoly-brush to stick the fabric to the floor. It ain't goin' nowhere.If I had it to do again, I'd consider the stringers. It seems like where Inoticed them was on Sky Gypsy -- a clearly elegant airplane.John-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: fairing strip
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
I didn't use fabric at all on the bottom from cockpit forward. I paintedit the same color as the rest. Access to the bolts holding controls isexcellent. No one can see them without getting down on their knees.>>> John Greenlee 09/14 10:57 AM >>>Steve,I didn't think about the bolt heads. I bet that makes it look cleaner.The fabric hitting the floor in prop-wash is a non-issue. I used topoly-brush to stick the fabric to the floor. It ain't goin' nowhere.If I had it to do again, I'd consider the stringers. It seems like whereInoticed them was on Sky Gypsy -- a clearly elegant airplane.John-----Original Message-----
I didn't use fabric at all on the bottom from cockpit forward. I paintedit the same color as the rest. Access to the bolts holding controls isexcellent. No one can see them without getting down on their knees.>>> John Greenlee 09/14 10:57 AM >>>Steve,I didn't think about the bolt heads. I bet that makes it look cleaner.The fabric hitting the floor in prop-wash is a non-issue. I used topoly-brush to stick the fabric to the floor. It ain't goin' nowhere.If I had it to do again, I'd consider the stringers. It seems like whereInoticed them was on Sky Gypsy -- a clearly elegant airplane.John-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: fairing strip
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Well now thats using your head!Stevee-----Original Message-----William ConwaySent: Monday, September 14, 1998 1:14 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fairing stripI didn't use fabric at all on the bottom from cockpit forward. I painted itthe same color as the rest. Access to the bolts holding controls isexcellent. No one can see them without getting down on their knees.>>> John Greenlee 09/14 10:57 AM >>>Steve,I didn't think about the bolt heads. I bet that makes it look cleaner.The fabric hitting the floor in prop-wash is a non-issue. I used topoly-brush to stick the fabric to the floor. It ain't goin' nowhere.If I had it to do again, I'd consider the stringers. It seems like where Inoticed them was on Sky Gypsy -- a clearly elegant airplane.John-----Original Message-----
Well now thats using your head!Stevee-----Original Message-----William ConwaySent: Monday, September 14, 1998 1:14 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fairing stripI didn't use fabric at all on the bottom from cockpit forward. I painted itthe same color as the rest. Access to the bolts holding controls isexcellent. No one can see them without getting down on their knees.>>> John Greenlee 09/14 10:57 AM >>>Steve,I didn't think about the bolt heads. I bet that makes it look cleaner.The fabric hitting the floor in prop-wash is a non-issue. I used topoly-brush to stick the fabric to the floor. It ain't goin' nowhere.If I had it to do again, I'd consider the stringers. It seems like where Inoticed them was on Sky Gypsy -- a clearly elegant airplane.John-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: fairing strip
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Thanks all for your input, you convinced me to go ahead with the fairingstrip(s).Having a place for condensation to collect away from the airframewas the prime determining factor,esthetics secondary.Joe CZion, Ill >I was also told that having a fairing on the bottom helps to drain >out any water that might get in there by way of condensation, etc.>>On 14 Sep 98 at 10:25, Michael D Cuy wrote:>>> >Hi all;; getting ready to varnish the fuselage and in looking over the>> >bottom I find myself questioning the need for a fairing strip down the>> >center of the bottom.>> >> Joe- Lots of ways to go with this part of the plane- Some leave>> the bare plywood, some run one or two 1" or so high stringers down>> the belly. I ran two all the way from the firewall to tail then>> tapered them down at both ends. This way your nuts and bolt heads>> won't bulge out against the fabric. (which will eventually rub>> thru, or get a hole by when you sand your finishes) I just bought>> the triangular 3/4" x 3/4" spruce from Wicks to glue on each side of>> the stringer every foot or so. Try to brace the stringers as they>> flow beyond the belly plywood floor area too because when you heat>> taughten your fabric the un-reinforced stringers may buckle or bow>> on you. >>Richard DeCosta>Web/CGI Programming - Auto Europe, LLC> Web: http://www.autoeurope.com> Ph: 207-842-2064 > Fax: 207-842-2239>PERSONAL: http://207.140.1.221/w3builder>>_______ ... __________
Thanks all for your input, you convinced me to go ahead with the fairingstrip(s).Having a place for condensation to collect away from the airframewas the prime determining factor,esthetics secondary.Joe CZion, Ill >I was also told that having a fairing on the bottom helps to drain >out any water that might get in there by way of condensation, etc.>>On 14 Sep 98 at 10:25, Michael D Cuy wrote:>>> >Hi all;; getting ready to varnish the fuselage and in looking over the>> >bottom I find myself questioning the need for a fairing strip down the>> >center of the bottom.>> >> Joe- Lots of ways to go with this part of the plane- Some leave>> the bare plywood, some run one or two 1" or so high stringers down>> the belly. I ran two all the way from the firewall to tail then>> tapered them down at both ends. This way your nuts and bolt heads>> won't bulge out against the fabric. (which will eventually rub>> thru, or get a hole by when you sand your finishes) I just bought>> the triangular 3/4" x 3/4" spruce from Wicks to glue on each side of>> the stringer every foot or so. Try to brace the stringers as they>> flow beyond the belly plywood floor area too because when you heat>> taughten your fabric the un-reinforced stringers may buckle or bow>> on you. >>Richard DeCosta>Web/CGI Programming - Auto Europe, LLC> Web: http://www.autoeurope.com> Ph: 207-842-2064 > Fax: 207-842-2239>PERSONAL: http://207.140.1.221/w3builder>>_______ ... __________