Original Posted By: "David B. Schober"
I was offered a C65 with a tapered shaft (should it be flange?). Whatbenefits/problems are there with this type of arrangement? What is theother option? If the terminology isn't correct, please forgive. I'm anewbie at this. TIAEd________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Tapered shaft
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered shaft
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
if the price is right grab it. my C65 has a tapered shaft, easier to pullthe prop/hub. they stay attached when pulled.JoeC>I was offered a C65 with a tapered shaft (should it be flange?). What>benefits/problems are there with this type of arrangement? What is the>other option? If the terminology isn't correct, please forgive. I'm a>newbie at this. >>TIA>Ed>>________________________________________________________________________________
if the price is right grab it. my C65 has a tapered shaft, easier to pullthe prop/hub. they stay attached when pulled.JoeC>I was offered a C65 with a tapered shaft (should it be flange?). What>benefits/problems are there with this type of arrangement? What is the>other option? If the terminology isn't correct, please forgive. I'm a>newbie at this. >>TIA>Ed>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered shaft
Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
David- The main difference between tapered shaft and flanged crankshafts onContinental A-65's is your propellor has to match the type of shaft youhave on your particular engine. They are not interchangeable. (at least that I'm aware of..)Note that if you purchase a tapered shaft engine make sure you get thepropellor hub too because to purchase the hub alone is about $500.Nobody makes those anymore. A flanged A-65 engine does not havea separate prop hub-the flange is cast right with the crank on thoseengines. The main concern here is that the flange hasn't been bent bya prop strike, etc. This can be fixed by a good engine overhaul shopthough if not too severe. ps- that's a good engine with either crank !Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
David- The main difference between tapered shaft and flanged crankshafts onContinental A-65's is your propellor has to match the type of shaft youhave on your particular engine. They are not interchangeable. (at least that I'm aware of..)Note that if you purchase a tapered shaft engine make sure you get thepropellor hub too because to purchase the hub alone is about $500.Nobody makes those anymore. A flanged A-65 engine does not havea separate prop hub-the flange is cast right with the crank on thoseengines. The main concern here is that the flange hasn't been bent bya prop strike, etc. This can be fixed by a good engine overhaul shopthough if not too severe. ps- that's a good engine with either crank !Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered shaft
Original Posted By: fishin
It doesn't matter if an A-65 has a tapered or flanged shaft. With the tapershaft, you mount the prop to a prop hub assembly part number A3746 which isthen installed on the taper shaft.Ed Nolan wrote:> I was offered a C65 with a tapered shaft (should it be flange?). What> benefits/problems are there with this type of arrangement? What is the> other option? If the terminology isn't correct, please forgive. I'm a> newbie at this.>> TIA> Ed--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
It doesn't matter if an A-65 has a tapered or flanged shaft. With the tapershaft, you mount the prop to a prop hub assembly part number A3746 which isthen installed on the taper shaft.Ed Nolan wrote:> I was offered a C65 with a tapered shaft (should it be flange?). What> benefits/problems are there with this type of arrangement? What is the> other option? If the terminology isn't correct, please forgive. I'm a> newbie at this.>> TIA> Ed--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered shaft
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Thanks, guys, for the information on the tapered shaft. Twenty years agothis was removed from a Funk that hadn't flown in the previous ten years.The original logs were lost so the thing was majored/magnafluxed, zerotimed and pickled (oil poured in all the holes). A recent inspection inprep to sell it indicated everything was still OK. Guy's asking $3,800.Ed ________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks, guys, for the information on the tapered shaft. Twenty years agothis was removed from a Funk that hadn't flown in the previous ten years.The original logs were lost so the thing was majored/magnafluxed, zerotimed and pickled (oil poured in all the holes). A recent inspection inprep to sell it indicated everything was still OK. Guy's asking $3,800.Ed ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered shaft
Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
>Thanks, guys, for the information on the tapered shaft. Twenty years ago>this was removed from a Funk that hadn't flown in the previous ten years.>The original logs were lost so the thing was majored/magnafluxed, zero>timed and pickled (oil poured in all the holes). A recent inspection in>prep to sell it indicated everything was still OK. Guy's asking $3,800.>Ed Ed- That is a decent price for what you described. Hopefully the bigdollar items are there too: Magnetoes, carb, exhaust, and prop hub.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
>Thanks, guys, for the information on the tapered shaft. Twenty years ago>this was removed from a Funk that hadn't flown in the previous ten years.>The original logs were lost so the thing was majored/magnafluxed, zero>timed and pickled (oil poured in all the holes). A recent inspection in>prep to sell it indicated everything was still OK. Guy's asking $3,800.>Ed Ed- That is a decent price for what you described. Hopefully the bigdollar items are there too: Magnetoes, carb, exhaust, and prop hub.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered shaft
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
I just purchased an overhauled, tapered shaft A-65 for $ 3000.00. Logs goback to 1941. Engine hasn't flown in 27 years and is disassembled. Lots ofnew parts included.$ 3800.00 might be on the high side but it isn't outrageous. Offer $3500.00 and enjoy.Greg Cardinal, fuselage on wire wheels and working on engine mount.>>> Ed Nolan 11/10 9:50 AM >>>Thanks, guys, for the information on the tapered shaft. Twenty years agothis was removed from a Funk that hadn't flown in the previous ten years.The original logs were lost so the thing was majored/magnafluxed, zerotimed and pickled (oil poured in all the holes). A recent inspection inprep to sell it indicated everything was still OK. Guy's asking $3,800.Ed ________________________________________________________________________________
I just purchased an overhauled, tapered shaft A-65 for $ 3000.00. Logs goback to 1941. Engine hasn't flown in 27 years and is disassembled. Lots ofnew parts included.$ 3800.00 might be on the high side but it isn't outrageous. Offer $3500.00 and enjoy.Greg Cardinal, fuselage on wire wheels and working on engine mount.>>> Ed Nolan 11/10 9:50 AM >>>Thanks, guys, for the information on the tapered shaft. Twenty years agothis was removed from a Funk that hadn't flown in the previous ten years.The original logs were lost so the thing was majored/magnafluxed, zerotimed and pickled (oil poured in all the holes). A recent inspection inprep to sell it indicated everything was still OK. Guy's asking $3,800.Ed ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered shaft
Original Posted By: Eli or Robert or Teresa Bozeman
Not to pick nit's, but I don't believe there was a C-65. The original lineof Cont. engines included the A-65, A-75 and A-80. Later, the C-75, C-85and C-90 were introduced with a different crankcase. The 0-200 is simularto the C- lines but the cas was again modified to take the vac. pump.KenOn Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Ed Nolan wrote:> I was offered a C65 with a tapered shaft (should it be flange?). What> benefits/problems are there with this type of arrangement? What is the> other option? If the terminology isn't correct, please forgive. I'm a> newbie at this. > > TIA> Ed> ________________________________________________________________________________
Not to pick nit's, but I don't believe there was a C-65. The original lineof Cont. engines included the A-65, A-75 and A-80. Later, the C-75, C-85and C-90 were introduced with a different crankcase. The 0-200 is simularto the C- lines but the cas was again modified to take the vac. pump.KenOn Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Ed Nolan wrote:> I was offered a C65 with a tapered shaft (should it be flange?). What> benefits/problems are there with this type of arrangement? What is the> other option? If the terminology isn't correct, please forgive. I'm a> newbie at this. > > TIA> Ed> ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered shaft
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
>The original line of Cont. engines included the A-65, A-75 and A-80.Later, the C-75, >C-85 and C-90 were introduced with a different crankcase.Yes, the engine with the tapered shaft is an A65. It has the mags, carb, &exhaust but no prop hub. I guess my next question is "what must be done toinstall a starter?" Can a generator be hung on it without difficulty? Areprop hubs difficult to get? Reasonable price for one? Basic questions, Iknow.Ed The 0-200 is simular>to the C- lines but the cas was again modified to take the vac. pump.>>Ken>>On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Ed Nolan wrote:>>> I was offered a C65 with a tapered shaft (should it be flange?). What>> benefits/problems are there with this type of arrangement? What is the>> other option? If the terminology isn't correct, please forgive. I'm a>> newbie at this. >> >> TIA>> Ed>> >>________________________________________________________________________________
>The original line of Cont. engines included the A-65, A-75 and A-80.Later, the C-75, >C-85 and C-90 were introduced with a different crankcase.Yes, the engine with the tapered shaft is an A65. It has the mags, carb, &exhaust but no prop hub. I guess my next question is "what must be done toinstall a starter?" Can a generator be hung on it without difficulty? Areprop hubs difficult to get? Reasonable price for one? Basic questions, Iknow.Ed The 0-200 is simular>to the C- lines but the cas was again modified to take the vac. pump.>>Ken>>On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Ed Nolan wrote:>>> I was offered a C65 with a tapered shaft (should it be flange?). What>> benefits/problems are there with this type of arrangement? What is the>> other option? If the terminology isn't correct, please forgive. I'm a>> newbie at this. >> >> TIA>> Ed>> >>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered shaft
Original Posted By: "David B. Schober"
If it is a -8 there is not a spot on the accesory case for either a starteror a generator. Why add the weight? I think I have heard that the C-85-12has starter and generator holes that might interchange. I would keep it aslight as possible with 65 hp however.Steve E. Provo UT>-----Original Message-----NolanSent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 12:42 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered shaft>The original line of Cont. engines included the A-65, A-75 and A-80.Later, the C-75, >C-85 and C-90 were introduced with a different crankcase.Yes, the engine with the tapered shaft is an A65. It has the mags, carb, &exhaust but no prop hub. I guess my next question is "what must be done toinstall a starter?" Can a generator be hung on it without difficulty? Areprop hubs difficult to get? Reasonable price for one? Basic questions, Iknow.Ed The 0-200 is simular>to the C- lines but the cas was again modified to take the vac. pump.>>Ken>>On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Ed Nolan wrote:>>> I was offered a C65 with a tapered shaft (should it be flange?). What>> benefits/problems are there with this type of arrangement? What is the>> other option? If the terminology isn't correct, please forgive. I'm a>> newbie at this.>>>> TIA>> Ed>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
If it is a -8 there is not a spot on the accesory case for either a starteror a generator. Why add the weight? I think I have heard that the C-85-12has starter and generator holes that might interchange. I would keep it aslight as possible with 65 hp however.Steve E. Provo UT>-----Original Message-----NolanSent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 12:42 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered shaft>The original line of Cont. engines included the A-65, A-75 and A-80.Later, the C-75, >C-85 and C-90 were introduced with a different crankcase.Yes, the engine with the tapered shaft is an A65. It has the mags, carb, &exhaust but no prop hub. I guess my next question is "what must be done toinstall a starter?" Can a generator be hung on it without difficulty? Areprop hubs difficult to get? Reasonable price for one? Basic questions, Iknow.Ed The 0-200 is simular>to the C- lines but the cas was again modified to take the vac. pump.>>Ken>>On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Ed Nolan wrote:>>> I was offered a C65 with a tapered shaft (should it be flange?). What>> benefits/problems are there with this type of arrangement? What is the>> other option? If the terminology isn't correct, please forgive. I'm a>> newbie at this.>>>> TIA>> Ed>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered shaft
Original Posted By: Gary Gower
If the engine you have is a -8 there is no economical way of installing astarter or generator. The A65-9 uses a different accessory housing and thecrankcase has additional machining for the appropriate gears for the starterdrive. Looking in the parts catalog for the A-65, it doesnt look like even the-9 can use a generator.If you can find the parts, a McDowel starter can be installed on any of the Aseries engines. This is a mechanical starter that connects a flex cable to aflywheel behind the prop and a lever in the cockpit. You set the engine towhere it is coming up on compression and pull the handle which rotates the propthrough the compression stroke. Simple and efficient. Unfortunatly parts arehard to find.Another point. If the engine is a -3 you probobly want to stay away from it.Parts for the up exhaust engines are hard to find.As far as hand propping a small engine like this, no problem. Just have a lotof respect for the prop. I've been hand propping airplanes for over 30 yearswithout incident. That's not to say I haven't seen incedents happen, just notto me. Again use lots of respect!Ed Nolan wrote:> >The original line of Cont. engines included the A-65, A-75 and A-80.> Later, the C-75, >C-85 and C-90 were introduced with a different crankcase.>> Yes, the engine with the tapered shaft is an A65. It has the mags, carb, &> exhaust but no prop hub. I guess my next question is "what must be done to> install a starter?" Can a generator be hung on it without difficulty? Are> prop hubs difficult to get? Reasonable price for one? Basic questions, I> know.>> Ed>> The 0-200 is simular> >to the C- lines but the cas was again modified to take the vac. pump.> >> >Ken> >> >On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Ed Nolan wrote:> >> >> I was offered a C65 with a tapered shaft (should it be flange?). What> >> benefits/problems are there with this type of arrangement? What is the> >> other option? If the terminology isn't correct, please forgive. I'm a> >> newbie at this.> >>> >> TIA> >> Ed> >>> >> >> >> >--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
If the engine you have is a -8 there is no economical way of installing astarter or generator. The A65-9 uses a different accessory housing and thecrankcase has additional machining for the appropriate gears for the starterdrive. Looking in the parts catalog for the A-65, it doesnt look like even the-9 can use a generator.If you can find the parts, a McDowel starter can be installed on any of the Aseries engines. This is a mechanical starter that connects a flex cable to aflywheel behind the prop and a lever in the cockpit. You set the engine towhere it is coming up on compression and pull the handle which rotates the propthrough the compression stroke. Simple and efficient. Unfortunatly parts arehard to find.Another point. If the engine is a -3 you probobly want to stay away from it.Parts for the up exhaust engines are hard to find.As far as hand propping a small engine like this, no problem. Just have a lotof respect for the prop. I've been hand propping airplanes for over 30 yearswithout incident. That's not to say I haven't seen incedents happen, just notto me. Again use lots of respect!Ed Nolan wrote:> >The original line of Cont. engines included the A-65, A-75 and A-80.> Later, the C-75, >C-85 and C-90 were introduced with a different crankcase.>> Yes, the engine with the tapered shaft is an A65. It has the mags, carb, &> exhaust but no prop hub. I guess my next question is "what must be done to> install a starter?" Can a generator be hung on it without difficulty? Are> prop hubs difficult to get? Reasonable price for one? Basic questions, I> know.>> Ed>> The 0-200 is simular> >to the C- lines but the cas was again modified to take the vac. pump.> >> >Ken> >> >On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Ed Nolan wrote:> >> >> I was offered a C65 with a tapered shaft (should it be flange?). What> >> benefits/problems are there with this type of arrangement? What is the> >> other option? If the terminology isn't correct, please forgive. I'm a> >> newbie at this.> >>> >> TIA> >> Ed> >>> >> >> >> >--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________