Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: To nail or not to nail, that is the question.>I have cranked out my first few wing ribs, using the glue and clamp>method. I am thinking it would be better to nail the gussets rather than>clamp, so I can speed production. I would use brass aircraft nails, a>friend advised me against nailing. I would like to here others opinions>and experiences.>>Thanks>John Duprey>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: To nail or not to nail, that is the question.
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Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
I have cranked out my first few wing ribs, using the glue and clampmethod. I am thinking it would be better to nail the gussets rather thanclamp, so I can speed production. I would use brass aircraft nails, afriend advised me against nailing. I would like to here others opinionsand experiences. ThanksJohn Duprey________________________________________________________________________________
I have cranked out my first few wing ribs, using the glue and clampmethod. I am thinking it would be better to nail the gussets rather thanclamp, so I can speed production. I would use brass aircraft nails, afriend advised me against nailing. I would like to here others opinionsand experiences. ThanksJohn Duprey________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Ted Brousseau
I used a staple gun on mine. Sppeded things up tremendously. I coulddo a rib in about 2 hours (not including drying time).---John Duprey wrote:>> I have cranked out my first few wing ribs, using the glue and clamp> method. I am thinking it would be better to nail the gussets ratherthan> clamp, so I can speed production. I would use brass aircraft nails, a> friend advised me against nailing. I would like to here othersopinions> and experiences. > > Thanks> John Duprey> ==http://www.wrld.com/w3builderNow you can buy my CD at MP3.com:http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter________________________________________________________________________________
I used a staple gun on mine. Sppeded things up tremendously. I coulddo a rib in about 2 hours (not including drying time).---John Duprey wrote:>> I have cranked out my first few wing ribs, using the glue and clamp> method. I am thinking it would be better to nail the gussets ratherthan> clamp, so I can speed production. I would use brass aircraft nails, a> friend advised me against nailing. I would like to here othersopinions> and experiences. > > Thanks> John Duprey> ==http://www.wrld.com/w3builderNow you can buy my CD at MP3.com:http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: John Duprey
John; I have used several methods of gussett attachment over the years. On thethick (1/2") Piet ribs, you can use 1/4" steel, brass & cement coatedaircraft nails or an electric staple gun. The nail method goes all the wayback to the Wrght Bros so it is the typical method to use. One of my planeshad 1/4" thick ribs so nailing on that one wasn't the best choice.With thenails, I used a magnetic tack hammer. The small magnetic end will keep thesmall nail head put to lightly "set" the nail into the rib thru the gussett.You then flip or rotate the hammer to the face side to finish driving thenails, 4 to 6 per gussett. Don't use nails any longer than 1/4" as this willkeep the nail tips from touching each other from one side to the otherconsidering the gussett thicknesses...... With the staple gun, use "fine wire" staples and be carefull of the"striking" force the stapler uses so you don't crush the wood. I always justleft the staples in the ribs as the marginal extra weight wasn't worth theextra time or damaging the wood trying to pry out the staples. Don't make abig deal about leaving the staples in......but make sure you don't use thethick or heavy duty staples as they will split the ribwood. I alsoexclusively use T-88 Epoxy Glue as it is structurly gap filling and willfollow the nail down into the wood. By the time you get the rib making down pat, you will be done!Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
John; I have used several methods of gussett attachment over the years. On thethick (1/2") Piet ribs, you can use 1/4" steel, brass & cement coatedaircraft nails or an electric staple gun. The nail method goes all the wayback to the Wrght Bros so it is the typical method to use. One of my planeshad 1/4" thick ribs so nailing on that one wasn't the best choice.With thenails, I used a magnetic tack hammer. The small magnetic end will keep thesmall nail head put to lightly "set" the nail into the rib thru the gussett.You then flip or rotate the hammer to the face side to finish driving thenails, 4 to 6 per gussett. Don't use nails any longer than 1/4" as this willkeep the nail tips from touching each other from one side to the otherconsidering the gussett thicknesses...... With the staple gun, use "fine wire" staples and be carefull of the"striking" force the stapler uses so you don't crush the wood. I always justleft the staples in the ribs as the marginal extra weight wasn't worth theextra time or damaging the wood trying to pry out the staples. Don't make abig deal about leaving the staples in......but make sure you don't use thethick or heavy duty staples as they will split the ribwood. I alsoexclusively use T-88 Epoxy Glue as it is structurly gap filling and willfollow the nail down into the wood. By the time you get the rib making down pat, you will be done!Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: aircamper(at)yahoo.com (Richard DeCosta)
In a message dated 3/7/99 8:19:41 AM Central Standard Time,aircamper(at)yahoo.com writes:<< Subj: Re: To nail or not to nail, that is the question. Date: 3/7/99 8:19:41 AM Central Standard Time
In a message dated 3/7/99 8:19:41 AM Central Standard Time,aircamper(at)yahoo.com writes:<< Subj: Re: To nail or not to nail, that is the question. Date: 3/7/99 8:19:41 AM Central Standard Time
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Original Posted By: Craig & Shari Hanson
John, Earl Myers reply to your questions re: nailing was very good Over theyears (40) I have used mostly 1/4 brass nails and Weldwood Plastic Resin gluewith excellent results but it is more critcal than T-88 regarding temp, mixingconsistency and pressure. I used staples for the first time (on my leadingedge} with T-88 and was pleasantly surprised at how fast and effective it was.I would not hesitate to recommend this was to go on rib gussets. I agree withEarl re: leaving in the staples. The same goes for nails. The weight isinsignificant and I have see antiques put together with caseine glue where theglue had deteriorated and the only thing holding it together was the nails!You won't go wrong following Earl's advice. Don Hicks________________________________________________________________________________
John, Earl Myers reply to your questions re: nailing was very good Over theyears (40) I have used mostly 1/4 brass nails and Weldwood Plastic Resin gluewith excellent results but it is more critcal than T-88 regarding temp, mixingconsistency and pressure. I used staples for the first time (on my leadingedge} with T-88 and was pleasantly surprised at how fast and effective it was.I would not hesitate to recommend this was to go on rib gussets. I agree withEarl re: leaving in the staples. The same goes for nails. The weight isinsignificant and I have see antiques put together with caseine glue where theglue had deteriorated and the only thing holding it together was the nails!You won't go wrong following Earl's advice. Don Hicks________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: John Duprey
Couldn't say where this came from! My reply was a "reply to author"response.......I did see a Happy 99 message come back in along with myregular Piet mail. It must have piggybacked thru me, however, I havn't had aproblem with a/this "virus" nor do I have any anti-virus "medicine" in thecomputer. I will have shortly. I guess it didn't "get" me??? I don't know ifI would know what a virus is I guess (yet) ??? Sorry??????????-----Original Message-----
Couldn't say where this came from! My reply was a "reply to author"response.......I did see a Happy 99 message come back in along with myregular Piet mail. It must have piggybacked thru me, however, I havn't had aproblem with a/this "virus" nor do I have any anti-virus "medicine" in thecomputer. I will have shortly. I guess it didn't "get" me??? I don't know ifI would know what a virus is I guess (yet) ??? Sorry??????????-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To nail or not to nail, that is the question.>Is it possible to get brass staples for an air stapler?>>Ian Holland wrote:>>> I used the brass aircraft nails and a pair of tweezers and had no>> problems. The key issue is the glue drying time. That is more of a>> limiting factor than putting in about 150 nails per rib. If I had to do>> it over again, I would still use the nails.>>>-->Alan Davenport - gandalf at goldcom dot com>A mouse trap placed on top of your wife's alarm clock will>prevent her from rolling over and going back to sleep.>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To nail or not to nail, that is the question.>Is it possible to get brass staples for an air stapler?>>Ian Holland wrote:>>> I used the brass aircraft nails and a pair of tweezers and had no>> problems. The key issue is the glue drying time. That is more of a>> limiting factor than putting in about 150 nails per rib. If I had to do>> it over again, I would still use the nails.>>>-->Alan Davenport - gandalf at goldcom dot com>A mouse trap placed on top of your wife's alarm clock will>prevent her from rolling over and going back to sleep.>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Greg Yotz
I used the brass aircraft nails and a pair of tweezers and had noproblems. The key issue is the glue drying time. That is more of alimiting factor than putting in about 150 nails per rib. If I had to doit over again, I would still use the nails.________________________________________________________________________________
I used the brass aircraft nails and a pair of tweezers and had noproblems. The key issue is the glue drying time. That is more of alimiting factor than putting in about 150 nails per rib. If I had to doit over again, I would still use the nails.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Les Lampman
Is it possible to get brass staples for an air stapler?Ian Holland wrote:> I used the brass aircraft nails and a pair of tweezers and had no> problems. The key issue is the glue drying time. That is more of a> limiting factor than putting in about 150 nails per rib. If I had to do> it over again, I would still use the nails.--Alan Davenport - gandalf at goldcom dot comA mouse trap placed on top of your wife's alarm clock willprevent her from rolling over and going back to sleep.________________________________________________________________________________
Is it possible to get brass staples for an air stapler?Ian Holland wrote:> I used the brass aircraft nails and a pair of tweezers and had no> problems. The key issue is the glue drying time. That is more of a> limiting factor than putting in about 150 nails per rib. If I had to do> it over again, I would still use the nails.--Alan Davenport - gandalf at goldcom dot comA mouse trap placed on top of your wife's alarm clock willprevent her from rolling over and going back to sleep.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To nail or not to nail, that is the question.>You can get stainless, I believe.>>Kevin Southwick>>-----Original Message----->From: Gandalf >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 11:35 PM>Subject: Re: To nail or not to nail, that is the question.>>>>Is it possible to get brass staples for an air stapler?>>>>Ian Holland wrote:>>>>> I used the brass aircraft nails and a pair of tweezers and had no>>> problems. The key issue is the glue drying time. That is more of a>>> limiting factor than putting in about 150 nails per rib. If I had to do>>> it over again, I would still use the nails.>>>>>>>>-->>Alan Davenport - gandalf at goldcom dot com>>A mouse trap placed on top of your wife's alarm clock will>>prevent her from rolling over and going back to sleep.>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To nail or not to nail, that is the question.>You can get stainless, I believe.>>Kevin Southwick>>-----Original Message----->From: Gandalf >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 11:35 PM>Subject: Re: To nail or not to nail, that is the question.>>>>Is it possible to get brass staples for an air stapler?>>>>Ian Holland wrote:>>>>> I used the brass aircraft nails and a pair of tweezers and had no>>> problems. The key issue is the glue drying time. That is more of a>>> limiting factor than putting in about 150 nails per rib. If I had to do>>> it over again, I would still use the nails.>>>>>>>>-->>Alan Davenport - gandalf at goldcom dot com>>A mouse trap placed on top of your wife's alarm clock will>>prevent her from rolling over and going back to sleep.>>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Gandalf
You can get stainless, I believe.Kevin Southwick-----Original Message-----________________________________________________________________________________
You can get stainless, I believe.Kevin Southwick-----Original Message-----________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal
I don't know as I never looked into it. I did use light office staplesfor a couple of pieces on a trial basis (then removed them). If you arelooking at a power stapler, be careful of the wire guage as some of themdrive pretty aggressive. Trials previous ( not on the Piet project) withthe thinnest guage power staple that I could find gave some tear out onthe back side of the strip. The slow tap,tap,tap associated with thetack hammer did not cause any splits in over 3000 nails driven. I founda really nice 3 ounce brass hammer in House of Tools that worked verywell.________________________________________________________________________________
I don't know as I never looked into it. I did use light office staplesfor a couple of pieces on a trial basis (then removed them). If you arelooking at a power stapler, be careful of the wire guage as some of themdrive pretty aggressive. Trials previous ( not on the Piet project) withthe thinnest guage power staple that I could find gave some tear out onthe back side of the strip. The slow tap,tap,tap associated with thetack hammer did not cause any splits in over 3000 nails driven. I founda really nice 3 ounce brass hammer in House of Tools that worked verywell.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Kevin Southwick
carefull using expoxy with stainless steel hardware,check boat builders ,say stainless must breath.-----Original Message-----
carefull using expoxy with stainless steel hardware,check boat builders ,say stainless must breath.-----Original Message-----