Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Thank you Mr Atnip, that was very helpfull. Since you mentioned your weight, I began thinking, and at the riskof embarrassing myself I wish everyone would do this math with me.I'm a low time student pilot and if I'm going to look silly, othersmight as well benefit from it because my instructor sure wont. Here itis. If the "max. empty weight" of the plane and the "max. useful load"equal the "max. takeoff weight", then that means pilot, passenger, andfuel shall not exceed 385 lbs if the plane builds out to the 610 lbsempty as is in the specs on Don's website. If this is so, I figure thatMy eldest son of 180 lbs and myself of 200 lbs may be able to carryenough fuel to get through the pattern once or twice. Is this so? MaybeI should earnestly reconsider how bad I want to build a Piet?Simply ignorant near Houston, DannyMac________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Max takeoff weight for the Piet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Max takeoff weight for the Piet
Original Posted By: "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC"
Danny- Don't get discouraged when you look at theuseful load of the Piet. When I had to have my data plateengraved for the FAA requirement I called Donald Pietenpoland asked him what he'd put down in the gross wt. box andhe said 1150 lbs. I've flown my Piet at 1135 lbs. with noproblems. (Yes, two fat guys and 17 gal. of fuel !)I can't say if this holds true for Ford powered orothers though. I'm sure the airframe could support the weightthough.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Danny- Don't get discouraged when you look at theuseful load of the Piet. When I had to have my data plateengraved for the FAA requirement I called Donald Pietenpoland asked him what he'd put down in the gross wt. box andhe said 1150 lbs. I've flown my Piet at 1135 lbs. with noproblems. (Yes, two fat guys and 17 gal. of fuel !)I can't say if this holds true for Ford powered orothers though. I'm sure the airframe could support the weightthough.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Max takeoff weight for the Piet
Original Posted By: "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Max takeoff weight for the PietDanny, drive over to Uvalde someday, and we'll go up in my GN-1 so you cansee what you think. Also, there's a guy here (Gary MacAuther) that'sbuilding a "true" Piet, and you can see his project.Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887830-278-1832>Thank you Mr Atnip, that was very helpfull.>> Since you mentioned your weight, I began thinking, and at the risk>of embarrassing myself I wish everyone would do this math with me.>I'm a low time student pilot and if I'm going to look silly, others>might as well benefit from it because my instructor sure wont. Here it>is. If the "max. empty weight" of the plane and the "max. useful load">equal the "max. takeoff weight", then that means pilot, passenger, and>fuel shall not exceed 385 lbs if the plane builds out to the 610 lbs>empty as is in the specs on Don's website. If this is so, I figure that>My eldest son of 180 lbs and myself of 200 lbs may be able to carry>enough fuel to get through the pattern once or twice. Is this so? Maybe>I should earnestly reconsider how bad I want to build a Piet?>>Simply ignorant near Houston, DannyMac>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Max takeoff weight for the PietDanny, drive over to Uvalde someday, and we'll go up in my GN-1 so you cansee what you think. Also, there's a guy here (Gary MacAuther) that'sbuilding a "true" Piet, and you can see his project.Robert Hensarling GN-1 N83887830-278-1832>Thank you Mr Atnip, that was very helpfull.>> Since you mentioned your weight, I began thinking, and at the risk>of embarrassing myself I wish everyone would do this math with me.>I'm a low time student pilot and if I'm going to look silly, others>might as well benefit from it because my instructor sure wont. Here it>is. If the "max. empty weight" of the plane and the "max. useful load">equal the "max. takeoff weight", then that means pilot, passenger, and>fuel shall not exceed 385 lbs if the plane builds out to the 610 lbs>empty as is in the specs on Don's website. If this is so, I figure that>My eldest son of 180 lbs and myself of 200 lbs may be able to carry>enough fuel to get through the pattern once or twice. Is this so? Maybe>I should earnestly reconsider how bad I want to build a Piet?>>Simply ignorant near Houston, DannyMac>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Max takeoff weight for the Piet
Original Posted By: dannymac
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Pietenpol-List: FW: Max takeoff weight for the Piet
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
I recently registered my gross weight at 1319 Lbs. Just 4 pounds under thelimit where I would have to pay $60./annum for air navigation services. Myempty weight came in at 807 Lbs. My wing area is non-standard at 159.16Sq./Ft. for wing loading of 8.29 Lbs/ft.Domenic ----------________________________________________________________________________________
I recently registered my gross weight at 1319 Lbs. Just 4 pounds under thelimit where I would have to pay $60./annum for air navigation services. Myempty weight came in at 807 Lbs. My wing area is non-standard at 159.16Sq./Ft. for wing loading of 8.29 Lbs/ft.Domenic ----------________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Max takeoff weight for the Piet
Original Posted By: Craig Lawler
Seventeen gallons of fuel will probably keep you in the airlonger than you want to be. You'll find that as you get olderyour bladder requires relief on a little more regular basis.How far have folks traveled in Piets. I just pulled out analmanac and it looks like it is around 800 miles from Columbia,SC to Brodhead/Oshkosh. This would probably end up at around athousand miles after zigzagging a little. That's 17 hours ofairtime at 60 mph. With good weather I guess that is two veryfull days of flying. Maybe a C-85 or O-200 isn't such a badidea. Southt Carolina to California would be a very full weekeach way. What is it like in the cockpit (flight deck???) of aPiet as the speed gets much over 60? Does everyone wear thoselittle aviator hats/helmets? What do you call them? Noisecanceling headsets have to be a really great option to springfor?!?!?More rambling later.Mike BellColumbia, SC________________________________________________________________________________
Seventeen gallons of fuel will probably keep you in the airlonger than you want to be. You'll find that as you get olderyour bladder requires relief on a little more regular basis.How far have folks traveled in Piets. I just pulled out analmanac and it looks like it is around 800 miles from Columbia,SC to Brodhead/Oshkosh. This would probably end up at around athousand miles after zigzagging a little. That's 17 hours ofairtime at 60 mph. With good weather I guess that is two veryfull days of flying. Maybe a C-85 or O-200 isn't such a badidea. Southt Carolina to California would be a very full weekeach way. What is it like in the cockpit (flight deck???) of aPiet as the speed gets much over 60? Does everyone wear thoselittle aviator hats/helmets? What do you call them? Noisecanceling headsets have to be a really great option to springfor?!?!?More rambling later.Mike BellColumbia, SC________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Max takeoff weight for the Piet
Original Posted By: Chad Johnson
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"Danny,I have a C-65 Peit that weighs 635 empty. I weigh about 160 and I havehad 200lbs in the front. Not easy to get in and harder to get out. Climbis not spectacular, but safe. Fly's easier with some weight in front.Less float on landing. Been doing some Eagle flights too. I had more funthan the kids.Craig________________________________________________________________________________
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"Danny,I have a C-65 Peit that weighs 635 empty. I weigh about 160 and I havehad 200lbs in the front. Not easy to get in and harder to get out. Climbis not spectacular, but safe. Fly's easier with some weight in front.Less float on landing. Been doing some Eagle flights too. I had more funthan the kids.Craig________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Max takeoff weight for the Piet
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
>> I've flown my Piet at 1135 lbs. with no>>problems. (Yes, two fat guys and 17 gal. of fuel !)>>Yes, Mike and I loved every minute of it! 8>)>TomTOM !!!! You're not fat !! It was me and a guy from church !!! Well....maybe we were close though, courseyou're tall. PS-I loved every minute of it too.....just neededa smoother day, eh ?Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
>> I've flown my Piet at 1135 lbs. with no>>problems. (Yes, two fat guys and 17 gal. of fuel !)>>Yes, Mike and I loved every minute of it! 8>)>TomTOM !!!! You're not fat !! It was me and a guy from church !!! Well....maybe we were close though, courseyou're tall. PS-I loved every minute of it too.....just neededa smoother day, eh ?Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Max takeoff weight for the Piet
Original Posted By: bowdler(at)juno.com
> I've flown my Piet at 1135 lbs. with no>problems. (Yes, two fat guys and 17 gal. of fuel !)Yes, Mike and I loved every minute of it! 8>)Tom__________________________________________________________________________________________
> I've flown my Piet at 1135 lbs. with no>problems. (Yes, two fat guys and 17 gal. of fuel !)Yes, Mike and I loved every minute of it! 8>)Tom__________________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Max takeoff weight for the Piet
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Danny- Don't get discouraged when you look at theuseful load of the Piet. When I had to have my data plateengraved for the FAA requirement I called Donald Pietenpoland asked him what he'd put down in the gross wt. box andhe said 1150 lbs. I've flown my Piet at 1135 lbs. with noproblems. (Yes, two fat guys and 17 gal. of fuel !)I can't say if this holds true for Ford powered orothers though. I'm sure the airframe could support the weightthough.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Danny- Don't get discouraged when you look at theuseful load of the Piet. When I had to have my data plateengraved for the FAA requirement I called Donald Pietenpoland asked him what he'd put down in the gross wt. box andhe said 1150 lbs. I've flown my Piet at 1135 lbs. with noproblems. (Yes, two fat guys and 17 gal. of fuel !)I can't say if this holds true for Ford powered orothers though. I'm sure the airframe could support the weightthough.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________