Original Posted By: John Greenlee
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet's and Grega's>Michael D Cuy wrote:>>>> >Just wondering why Corvair was left off this list. Is it taboo?>> >Is it not the preferred air cooled engine for the Piet? Why>> >would someone go through the trouble and expense of installing a>> >water cooled Sube, when the Piet is proven with the 'vair?>> >>> >Pat>>>> Pat- Bernie Pietenpol built 26 Pietenpols in his lifetime and if I'm>> not>> mistaken he powered them with many, many, various engines some of>> which I'll try to list below. Some of these listed below Bernie may>> not have>> tried but others have. Chime in if anyone knows of some 'odd ones'>> we've all not>> heard of.>>>> Velie>> Model T (Scout)>> Model A>> Model B>> Corvair>> Continental>> Subaru>> Ford Fiesta>> V-8's>> LeBlond>> Lycoming>> Franklin>> Funk>> Mercedes diesel>>Add Chevy 2.5 L four - Yep just like that in my Chevy S-10.>Bert>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Piet's and Grega's
Pietenpol-List: Piet's and Grega's
Original Posted By: "Conrad, Bart D"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet's and Grega's>>Leo:>> The GN1 is a clone of the Piet by Grega.... not a model of the>>>Leo- Both the Piet and GN-1 look the same from a distance and>pretty much fly the same. Both are VERY fun airplanes and are>economical to build, fly, and maintain. Here are the differences though in>a nutshell: (I hope:)>>1) Piets are lighter. (generally speaking...depends on the builder ofcourse)>>2)Piets have fewer metal fittings.>>3)GN-1 wing fittings do NOT allow you to adjust your wing fore and> aft to adjust your center of gravity to account for various engine,fuel> loading considerations. (ie you switch from a Ford to Subaru or>Continental)>>4)GN-1's have large gaps in their control surface attachment points.>>5)GN-1's used to be a bit faster and cheaper to build because theyincorporate> some Cub parts which used to be inexpensive and easy to find when theGN-1> design came out.>>6)Both planes are nicknamed 'Air Camper' (Aircamper) thus easilyconfused.>>7)Bernard Pietenpol was not big into advertising his plans so when the GN-1>came> out in trade magazines most folks just thought they were buying>Pietenpol plans.>>8)John W. Grega is still around at 80 some years old and living in Bedford,>Ohio.> I have met him at local fly-ins. Unless my info is wrong he has never>built his own design.>>9)You'll find that most GN-1's are powered by Continental engines in the 75>to 90 hp range> due to their inherent heavier empty weight.>>10) Disclaimer- I was fortunate enough to fly Joe Leonard's GN-1 several>years ago here in> Ohio and just thought it was a pure joy to fly. Then again so are>Pietenpols !>>Mike C.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet's and Grega's>>Leo:>> The GN1 is a clone of the Piet by Grega.... not a model of the>>>Leo- Both the Piet and GN-1 look the same from a distance and>pretty much fly the same. Both are VERY fun airplanes and are>economical to build, fly, and maintain. Here are the differences though in>a nutshell: (I hope:)>>1) Piets are lighter. (generally speaking...depends on the builder ofcourse)>>2)Piets have fewer metal fittings.>>3)GN-1 wing fittings do NOT allow you to adjust your wing fore and> aft to adjust your center of gravity to account for various engine,fuel> loading considerations. (ie you switch from a Ford to Subaru or>Continental)>>4)GN-1's have large gaps in their control surface attachment points.>>5)GN-1's used to be a bit faster and cheaper to build because theyincorporate> some Cub parts which used to be inexpensive and easy to find when theGN-1> design came out.>>6)Both planes are nicknamed 'Air Camper' (Aircamper) thus easilyconfused.>>7)Bernard Pietenpol was not big into advertising his plans so when the GN-1>came> out in trade magazines most folks just thought they were buying>Pietenpol plans.>>8)John W. Grega is still around at 80 some years old and living in Bedford,>Ohio.> I have met him at local fly-ins. Unless my info is wrong he has never>built his own design.>>9)You'll find that most GN-1's are powered by Continental engines in the 75>to 90 hp range> due to their inherent heavier empty weight.>>10) Disclaimer- I was fortunate enough to fly Joe Leonard's GN-1 several>years ago here in> Ohio and just thought it was a pure joy to fly. Then again so are>Pietenpols !>>Mike C.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Piet's and Grega's
Original Posted By: "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC"
>Leo:> The GN1 is a clone of the Piet by Grega.... not a model of the Leo- Both the Piet and GN-1 look the same from a distance andpretty much fly the same. Both are VERY fun airplanes and areeconomical to build, fly, and maintain. Here are the differences though ina nutshell: (I hope:)1) Piets are lighter. (generally speaking...depends on the builder of course)2)Piets have fewer metal fittings.3)GN-1 wing fittings do NOT allow you to adjust your wing fore and aft to adjust your center of gravity to account for various engine, fuel loading considerations. (ie you switch from a Ford to Subaru orContinental)4)GN-1's have large gaps in their control surface attachment points.5)GN-1's used to be a bit faster and cheaper to build because they incorporate some Cub parts which used to be inexpensive and easy to find when the GN-1 design came out.6)Both planes are nicknamed 'Air Camper' (Aircamper) thus easily confused.7)Bernard Pietenpol was not big into advertising his plans so when the GN-1came out in trade magazines most folks just thought they were buyingPietenpol plans. 8)John W. Grega is still around at 80 some years old and living in Bedford,Ohio. I have met him at local fly-ins. Unless my info is wrong he has neverbuilt his own design.9)You'll find that most GN-1's are powered by Continental engines in the 75to 90 hp range due to their inherent heavier empty weight.10) Disclaimer- I was fortunate enough to fly Joe Leonard's GN-1 severalyears ago here in Ohio and just thought it was a pure joy to fly. Then again so arePietenpols !Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
>Leo:> The GN1 is a clone of the Piet by Grega.... not a model of the Leo- Both the Piet and GN-1 look the same from a distance andpretty much fly the same. Both are VERY fun airplanes and areeconomical to build, fly, and maintain. Here are the differences though ina nutshell: (I hope:)1) Piets are lighter. (generally speaking...depends on the builder of course)2)Piets have fewer metal fittings.3)GN-1 wing fittings do NOT allow you to adjust your wing fore and aft to adjust your center of gravity to account for various engine, fuel loading considerations. (ie you switch from a Ford to Subaru orContinental)4)GN-1's have large gaps in their control surface attachment points.5)GN-1's used to be a bit faster and cheaper to build because they incorporate some Cub parts which used to be inexpensive and easy to find when the GN-1 design came out.6)Both planes are nicknamed 'Air Camper' (Aircamper) thus easily confused.7)Bernard Pietenpol was not big into advertising his plans so when the GN-1came out in trade magazines most folks just thought they were buyingPietenpol plans. 8)John W. Grega is still around at 80 some years old and living in Bedford,Ohio. I have met him at local fly-ins. Unless my info is wrong he has neverbuilt his own design.9)You'll find that most GN-1's are powered by Continental engines in the 75to 90 hp range due to their inherent heavier empty weight.10) Disclaimer- I was fortunate enough to fly Joe Leonard's GN-1 severalyears ago here in Ohio and just thought it was a pure joy to fly. Then again so arePietenpols !Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet's and Grega's
Original Posted By: Patrick Panzera
Michael D Cuy wrote:> 3)GN-1 wing fittings do NOT allow you to adjust your wing fore and> aft to adjust your center of gravity to account for various engine, fuel> loading considerations. (ie you switch from a Ford to Subaru or> Continental)Just wondering why Corvair was left off this list. Is it taboo? Is it not the preferred air cooled engine for the Piet? Whywould someone go through the trouble and expense of installing awater cooled Sube, when the Piet is proven with the 'vair?Pat________________________________________________________________________________
Michael D Cuy wrote:> 3)GN-1 wing fittings do NOT allow you to adjust your wing fore and> aft to adjust your center of gravity to account for various engine, fuel> loading considerations. (ie you switch from a Ford to Subaru or> Continental)Just wondering why Corvair was left off this list. Is it taboo? Is it not the preferred air cooled engine for the Piet? Whywould someone go through the trouble and expense of installing awater cooled Sube, when the Piet is proven with the 'vair?Pat________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet's and Grega's
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
>Just wondering why Corvair was left off this list. Is it taboo? >Is it not the preferred air cooled engine for the Piet? Why>would someone go through the trouble and expense of installing a>water cooled Sube, when the Piet is proven with the 'vair?>>PatPat- Bernie Pietenpol built 26 Pietenpols in his lifetime and if I'm notmistaken he powered them with many, many, various engines some of which I'll try to list below. Some of these listed below Bernie may not havetried but others have. Chime in if anyone knows of some 'odd ones' we've allnotheard of.VelieModel T (Scout)Model AModel BCorvairContinentalSubaruFord FiestaV-8'sLeBlondLycomingFranklinFunkMercedes diesel________________________________________________________________________________
>Just wondering why Corvair was left off this list. Is it taboo? >Is it not the preferred air cooled engine for the Piet? Why>would someone go through the trouble and expense of installing a>water cooled Sube, when the Piet is proven with the 'vair?>>PatPat- Bernie Pietenpol built 26 Pietenpols in his lifetime and if I'm notmistaken he powered them with many, many, various engines some of which I'll try to list below. Some of these listed below Bernie may not havetried but others have. Chime in if anyone knows of some 'odd ones' we've allnotheard of.VelieModel T (Scout)Model AModel BCorvairContinentalSubaruFord FiestaV-8'sLeBlondLycomingFranklinFunkMercedes diesel________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Piet's and Grega's
Original Posted By: "Sayre, William G"
> -----Original Message-----> Patrick Panzera> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 9:25 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: Piet's and Grega's>>> Michael D Cuy wrote:>> > 3)GN-1 wing fittings do NOT allow you to adjust your wing fore and> > aft to adjust your center of gravity to account for> various engine, fuel> > loading considerations. (ie you switch from a Ford to Subaru or> > Continental)>> Just wondering why Corvair was left off this list. Is it taboo?> Is it not the preferred air cooled engine for the Piet? Why> would someone go through the trouble and expense of installing a> water cooled Sube, when the Piet is proven with the 'vair?>> Pat>Preferred. I guess that "preferred" is as individual as the builder and theplane. I preffered a Subaru because I picked up a rebuildable core for $20until I had an offer to purchase an 80 hour A-65 with prop for $1000. Thenthe A-65 was preferred.
Just saw an A-65 0SMOH for $2150 onwww.barnstormers.com. Not sure about accessories, but sure seemed like theright price. subaru's really haul that piet upwards. We measured thethrust on a subaru powered Avid and it was over 400lbs of thrust. (Granted 3blade props don't look exactly period on a piet)Steve E.________________________________________________________________________________
> -----Original Message-----> Patrick Panzera> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 9:25 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: Piet's and Grega's>>> Michael D Cuy wrote:>> > 3)GN-1 wing fittings do NOT allow you to adjust your wing fore and> > aft to adjust your center of gravity to account for> various engine, fuel> > loading considerations. (ie you switch from a Ford to Subaru or> > Continental)>> Just wondering why Corvair was left off this list. Is it taboo?> Is it not the preferred air cooled engine for the Piet? Why> would someone go through the trouble and expense of installing a> water cooled Sube, when the Piet is proven with the 'vair?>> Pat>Preferred. I guess that "preferred" is as individual as the builder and theplane. I preffered a Subaru because I picked up a rebuildable core for $20until I had an offer to purchase an 80 hour A-65 with prop for $1000. Thenthe A-65 was preferred.
Just saw an A-65 0SMOH for $2150 onwww.barnstormers.com. Not sure about accessories, but sure seemed like theright price. subaru's really haul that piet upwards. We measured thethrust on a subaru powered Avid and it was over 400lbs of thrust. (Granted 3blade props don't look exactly period on a piet)Steve E.________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: RE: Piet's and Grega's
Original Posted By:> Michael D Cuy[SMTP:Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov]
Have photos of;Vega powerAlum Buick V-8Two Cont stacked on top of each other driving two props in an X shape.Can't remember some of the others....but I understand that over time the Pietenpolhas been the test bed for more engine types than any other (so I've heardtold).Bill Sayre> ----------
Have photos of;Vega powerAlum Buick V-8Two Cont stacked on top of each other driving two props in an X shape.Can't remember some of the others....but I understand that over time the Pietenpolhas been the test bed for more engine types than any other (so I've heardtold).Bill Sayre> ----------
> RE: Piet's and Grega's
Original Posted By:> > Michael D Cuy[SMTP:Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov]
Isn't there someone putting in a OX-8?Steve EldredgeIT ServicesBrigham Young University> -----Original Message-----> Sayre, William G> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 9:48 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: RE: Piet's and Grega's> > > Have photos of;> > Vega power> Alum Buick V-8> Two Cont stacked on top of each other driving two props in an X shape.> > Can't remember some of the others....but I understand that > over time the Pietenpol has been the test bed for more engine > types than any other (so I've heard told).> > Bill Sayre> > ----------
Isn't there someone putting in a OX-8?Steve EldredgeIT ServicesBrigham Young University> -----Original Message-----> Sayre, William G> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 9:48 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: RE: Piet's and Grega's> > > Have photos of;> > Vega power> Alum Buick V-8> Two Cont stacked on top of each other driving two props in an X shape.> > Can't remember some of the others....but I understand that > over time the Pietenpol has been the test bed for more engine > types than any other (so I've heard told).> > Bill Sayre> > ----------
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet's and Grega's
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Leo; Piets have the charisma, history and nostalgia of an old design. The GN-1is a good plane that one fella thought he could "improve" on the Piet using(at that time) common parts and some different geometry as to strut/wingattach methods. A Piet is a Piet and a GN-1 is a GN-1. Both will do thetrick. The Piet just has that history to ittho....................................Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Leo; Piets have the charisma, history and nostalgia of an old design. The GN-1is a good plane that one fella thought he could "improve" on the Piet using(at that time) common parts and some different geometry as to strut/wingattach methods. A Piet is a Piet and a GN-1 is a GN-1. Both will do thetrick. The Piet just has that history to ittho....................................Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet's and Grega's
Original Posted By: fishin
Michael D Cuy wrote:> > >Just wondering why Corvair was left off this list. Is it taboo?> >Is it not the preferred air cooled engine for the Piet? Why> >would someone go through the trouble and expense of installing a> >water cooled Sube, when the Piet is proven with the 'vair?> >> >Pat> > Pat- Bernie Pietenpol built 26 Pietenpols in his lifetime and if I'm> not> mistaken he powered them with many, many, various engines some of> which I'll try to list below. Some of these listed below Bernie may> not have> tried but others have. Chime in if anyone knows of some 'odd ones'> we've all not> heard of.> > Velie> Model T (Scout)> Model A> Model B> Corvair> Continental> Subaru> Ford Fiesta> V-8's> LeBlond> Lycoming> Franklin> Funk> Mercedes dieselAdd Chevy 2.5 L four - Yep just like that in my Chevy S-10. Bert________________________________________________________________________________
Michael D Cuy wrote:> > >Just wondering why Corvair was left off this list. Is it taboo?> >Is it not the preferred air cooled engine for the Piet? Why> >would someone go through the trouble and expense of installing a> >water cooled Sube, when the Piet is proven with the 'vair?> >> >Pat> > Pat- Bernie Pietenpol built 26 Pietenpols in his lifetime and if I'm> not> mistaken he powered them with many, many, various engines some of> which I'll try to list below. Some of these listed below Bernie may> not have> tried but others have. Chime in if anyone knows of some 'odd ones'> we've all not> heard of.> > Velie> Model T (Scout)> Model A> Model B> Corvair> Continental> Subaru> Ford Fiesta> V-8's> LeBlond> Lycoming> Franklin> Funk> Mercedes dieselAdd Chevy 2.5 L four - Yep just like that in my Chevy S-10. Bert________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet's and Grega's
Original Posted By: Howard Wilkinson
"Sayre, William G" wrote:> Have photos of;>> Vega power> Alum Buick V-8> Two Cont stacked on top of each other driving two props in an X shape.HERE'S AN UPDATE ON THE TWIN ENGINE PIET...IT IS CO-OWNED BY 3 FELLLOW MEMBERSOF CHAPTER 217 IN KENOSHA WI..WHEN AS A TWIN IT BARELY FLEW,, WAY TOO HEAVY ANDATROCIOUS BALANCE..COULDN'T FLY ON ONE...HAS SINCE BEEN REBUILT AS SINGLE A65 POWEREDAND SHOULD BE FLYING BY MID SUMMER..I'M GUESSING IT'S THE ONLY PIET WITHDROOPEDWING TIPS...I'LL TRY TO GET A PICTURE OF IT AT THE NEXT CHAPTER MEETING FOR RICHARD'SWEB SITE.JOECZION, ILL________________________________________________________________________________
"Sayre, William G" wrote:> Have photos of;>> Vega power> Alum Buick V-8> Two Cont stacked on top of each other driving two props in an X shape.HERE'S AN UPDATE ON THE TWIN ENGINE PIET...IT IS CO-OWNED BY 3 FELLLOW MEMBERSOF CHAPTER 217 IN KENOSHA WI..WHEN AS A TWIN IT BARELY FLEW,, WAY TOO HEAVY ANDATROCIOUS BALANCE..COULDN'T FLY ON ONE...HAS SINCE BEEN REBUILT AS SINGLE A65 POWEREDAND SHOULD BE FLYING BY MID SUMMER..I'M GUESSING IT'S THE ONLY PIET WITHDROOPEDWING TIPS...I'LL TRY TO GET A PICTURE OF IT AT THE NEXT CHAPTER MEETING FOR RICHARD'SWEB SITE.JOECZION, ILL________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet's and Grega's
Original Posted By: bwm
A Pietenpol Flew in British Columbia Canada in the '30s with a Cirrusengine. The fore runner of the inverted Gipsy Major series.I was fortunate enough to acquire a 85/95 hp Cirrus and intend to use it.John Mc-----Original Message-----
A Pietenpol Flew in British Columbia Canada in the '30s with a Cirrusengine. The fore runner of the inverted Gipsy Major series.I was fortunate enough to acquire a 85/95 hp Cirrus and intend to use it.John Mc-----Original Message-----