Original Posted By: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
I got this off of the AVweb.com weekly e-NewsWire called AVflash. Thought it would be of some interest. It brought to mind something I saw in Grant McLaren's 1990 or 91 Piet calendar. One of the months had a great pic of downtown Manhattan (NY not KS) as viewed thru the struts of a Piet.Terry..................EAA GETS FAA CLARIFICATION ON HOMEBUILT OVERFLIGHTS OF POPULATED AREASEAA finally got a clarification from the FAA regarding limitations forhomebuilt aircraft that fly over populated areas. The FAA said thatamateur-built aircraft that received an airworthiness certificate beforeMay 28, 1998, and have authorization to take off and land over denselypopulated areas continue to have authorization to fly over those areasfor "en route operations." Amateur-built aircraft receivingairworthiness certificates after May 28, 1998, may fly over populatedareas if the aircraft has no hazardous operating characteristics ordesign features, and the aircraft is controllable throughout its normalrange of speeds.THAT LAST PART LEAVES A LOT FOR INTERPRETATION..HEHEHEE...tlb________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Low and Slow ....over town?
> Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: vistin(at)juno.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>Would anyone care to estimate the glide ratio of a Piet? What is theglide>angle for maximum distance? One half of 11 miles is 5.5 miles or about29,000>feet. At 10:1 and 3,000 feet altitude on a calm day you couldtheoretically>make it to either shore with a little to spare.>>>Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 08/24/99 04:08:54 PM>Please respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET>>>To: piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET>cc:>>Subject: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>>>Michael D Cuy wrote:>>> Earl wrote:>> As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo wedon't>> >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the oldplanes...........>> >Earl Myers>>>> Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mileor>> two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to>> "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien I>> about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !>> I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>>>> Mike C.>>for those who don't know the lake, it's 11 miles wide and 27 mileslong.(one of>my favorite fishing spots)>JoeC>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>Would anyone care to estimate the glide ratio of a Piet? What is theglide>angle for maximum distance? One half of 11 miles is 5.5 miles or about29,000>feet. At 10:1 and 3,000 feet altitude on a calm day you couldtheoretically>make it to either shore with a little to spare.>>>Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 08/24/99 04:08:54 PM>Please respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET>>>To: piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET>cc:>>Subject: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>>>Michael D Cuy wrote:>>> Earl wrote:>> As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo wedon't>> >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the oldplanes...........>> >Earl Myers>>>> Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mileor>> two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to>> "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien I>> about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !>> I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>>>> Mike C.>>for those who don't know the lake, it's 11 miles wide and 27 mileslong.(one of>my favorite fishing spots)>JoeC>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>BARNSTMR(at)aol.com wrote:>>> airworthiness certificates after May 28, 1998, may fly over populated>> areas if the aircraft has no hazardous operating characteristics or>> design features, and the aircraft is controllable throughout its normal>> range of speeds.>>>Would it not be up to the builder to determine what the "normal>range of speed is?" I can't think of any homebuilt a/c which is>not controllable throughout it's normal speed range, and if mine>were uncontrollable at a certain speed, I would not categorize>that speed as "normal".>>Pat>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>BARNSTMR(at)aol.com wrote:>>> airworthiness certificates after May 28, 1998, may fly over populated>> areas if the aircraft has no hazardous operating characteristics or>> design features, and the aircraft is controllable throughout its normal>> range of speeds.>>>Would it not be up to the builder to determine what the "normal>range of speed is?" I can't think of any homebuilt a/c which is>not controllable throughout it's normal speed range, and if mine>were uncontrollable at a certain speed, I would not categorize>that speed as "normal".>>Pat>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>Earl wrote:>As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo wedon't>>do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the oldplanes...........>>Earl Myers>>Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mile or>two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to>"just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien I>about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !>I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>>Mike C.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>Earl wrote:>As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo wedon't>>do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the oldplanes...........>>Earl Myers>>Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mile or>two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to>"just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien I>about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !>I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>>Mike C.>>________________________________________________________________________________
>> Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Low and Slow ....over town?>If I want to fly, I nearly have to fly over a town. I live in a valleywith>high mountains on either side. If I go south I can stay over sparsly>populated areas, but If I go north it is either over water, (utah or Salt>lake) or over city. Mostly I stay south for pleasure flying. I have hadto>fly over short stretches of salt lake and believe me it is very>uncomfortable. I fly sailboat to sailboat. It sure was nice to take in>some new scenery on the trip east!>>Steve Eldredge>IT Services>Brigham Young University>>>> -----Original Message----->> Michael D Cuy>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:29 AM>> To: Pietenpol Discussion>> Subject: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>>>>>> Earl wrote:>> As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and>> water,nooooo we don't>> >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old>> planes...........>> >Earl Myers>>>> Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too.>> Maybe 1/2 mile or>> two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to>> "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New>> Holstien I>> about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !>> I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>>>> Mike C.>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Low and Slow ....over town?>If I want to fly, I nearly have to fly over a town. I live in a valleywith>high mountains on either side. If I go south I can stay over sparsly>populated areas, but If I go north it is either over water, (utah or Salt>lake) or over city. Mostly I stay south for pleasure flying. I have hadto>fly over short stretches of salt lake and believe me it is very>uncomfortable. I fly sailboat to sailboat. It sure was nice to take in>some new scenery on the trip east!>>Steve Eldredge>IT Services>Brigham Young University>>>> -----Original Message----->> Michael D Cuy>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:29 AM>> To: Pietenpol Discussion>> Subject: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>>>>>> Earl wrote:>> As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and>> water,nooooo we don't>> >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old>> planes...........>> >Earl Myers>>>> Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too.>> Maybe 1/2 mile or>> two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to>> "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New>> Holstien I>> about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !>> I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>>>> Mike C.>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>> Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Low and Slow ....over town?>If I want to fly, I nearly have to fly over a town. I live in a valleywith>high mountains on either side. If I go south I can stay over sparsly>populated areas, but If I go north it is either over water, (utah or Salt>lake) or over city. Mostly I stay south for pleasure flying. I have hadto>fly over short stretches of salt lake and believe me it is very>uncomfortable. I fly sailboat to sailboat. It sure was nice to take in>some new scenery on the trip east!>>Steve Eldredge>IT Services>Brigham Young University>>>> -----Original Message----->> Michael D Cuy>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:29 AM>> To: Pietenpol Discussion>> Subject: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>>>>>> Earl wrote:>> As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and>> water,nooooo we don't>> >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old>> planes...........>> >Earl Myers>>>> Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too.>> Maybe 1/2 mile or>> two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to>> "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New>> Holstien I>> about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !>> I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>>>> Mike C.>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Low and Slow ....over town?>If I want to fly, I nearly have to fly over a town. I live in a valleywith>high mountains on either side. If I go south I can stay over sparsly>populated areas, but If I go north it is either over water, (utah or Salt>lake) or over city. Mostly I stay south for pleasure flying. I have hadto>fly over short stretches of salt lake and believe me it is very>uncomfortable. I fly sailboat to sailboat. It sure was nice to take in>some new scenery on the trip east!>>Steve Eldredge>IT Services>Brigham Young University>>>> -----Original Message----->> Michael D Cuy>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:29 AM>> To: Pietenpol Discussion>> Subject: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>>>>>> Earl wrote:>> As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and>> water,nooooo we don't>> >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old>> planes...........>> >Earl Myers>>>> Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too.>> Maybe 1/2 mile or>> two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to>> "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New>> Holstien I>> about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !>> I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>>>> Mike C.>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
BARNSTMR(at)aol.com wrote:> airworthiness certificates after May 28, 1998, may fly over populated> areas if the aircraft has no hazardous operating characteristics or> design features, and the aircraft is controllable throughout its normal> range of speeds.Would it not be up to the builder to determine what the "normalrange of speed is?" I can't think of any homebuilt a/c which isnot controllable throughout it's normal speed range, and if minewere uncontrollable at a certain speed, I would not categorizethat speed as "normal".Pat________________________________________________________________________________
BARNSTMR(at)aol.com wrote:> airworthiness certificates after May 28, 1998, may fly over populated> areas if the aircraft has no hazardous operating characteristics or> design features, and the aircraft is controllable throughout its normal> range of speeds.Would it not be up to the builder to determine what the "normalrange of speed is?" I can't think of any homebuilt a/c which isnot controllable throughout it's normal speed range, and if minewere uncontrollable at a certain speed, I would not categorizethat speed as "normal".Pat________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: Pat Panzera
THIS is a rule that is WIDE OPEN to intretation, IE, what the heck do theymean?Doesn't get any wider than that, huh? Anybody have a "for instance"??As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo we don'tdo WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old planes...........Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
THIS is a rule that is WIDE OPEN to intretation, IE, what the heck do theymean?Doesn't get any wider than that, huh? Anybody have a "for instance"??As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo we don'tdo WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old planes...........Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Earl wrote:As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo we don't>do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old planes...........>Earl MyersEarl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mile ortwo but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to"just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien Iabout filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route ! I ain't flyin' no speed demon.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Earl wrote:As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo we don't>do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old planes...........>Earl MyersEarl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mile ortwo but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to"just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien Iabout filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route ! I ain't flyin' no speed demon.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
If I want to fly, I nearly have to fly over a town. I live in a valley withhigh mountains on either side. If I go south I can stay over sparslypopulated areas, but If I go north it is either over water, (utah or Saltlake) or over city. Mostly I stay south for pleasure flying. I have had tofly over short stretches of salt lake and believe me it is veryuncomfortable. I fly sailboat to sailboat. It sure was nice to take insome new scenery on the trip east!Steve EldredgeIT ServicesBrigham Young University> -----Original Message-----> Michael D Cuy> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:29 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>>> Earl wrote:> As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and> water,nooooo we don't> >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old> planes...........> >Earl Myers>> Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too.> Maybe 1/2 mile or> two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to> "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New> Holstien I> about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !> I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>> Mike C.>>________________________________________________________________________________
If I want to fly, I nearly have to fly over a town. I live in a valley withhigh mountains on either side. If I go south I can stay over sparslypopulated areas, but If I go north it is either over water, (utah or Saltlake) or over city. Mostly I stay south for pleasure flying. I have had tofly over short stretches of salt lake and believe me it is veryuncomfortable. I fly sailboat to sailboat. It sure was nice to take insome new scenery on the trip east!Steve EldredgeIT ServicesBrigham Young University> -----Original Message-----> Michael D Cuy> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:29 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>>> Earl wrote:> As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and> water,nooooo we don't> >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old> planes...........> >Earl Myers>> Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too.> Maybe 1/2 mile or> two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to> "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New> Holstien I> about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !> I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>> Mike C.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
I BET YOU WOULD HAVE FILLED YOUR BRITCHES WITH FOAM (it floats!) !!!!!!-----Original Message-----
I BET YOU WOULD HAVE FILLED YOUR BRITCHES WITH FOAM (it floats!) !!!!!!-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Steve; I saw the pictures of those mountains....got hypoxia just looking at them!I used to fly Maintenance Test Fights for a flight school/engine shop beforethe planes were returned to service. That started it then the oldies camelater and just carried the same watchfull eye on that. Townes have too manyNews camera's.Earl-----Original Message-----
Steve; I saw the pictures of those mountains....got hypoxia just looking at them!I used to fly Maintenance Test Fights for a flight school/engine shop beforethe planes were returned to service. That started it then the oldies camelater and just carried the same watchfull eye on that. Townes have too manyNews camera's.Earl-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
I THOUGHT THE GREAT SALT LAKE WAS ONLY AN INCH DEEP!-----Original Message-----
I THOUGHT THE GREAT SALT LAKE WAS ONLY AN INCH DEEP!-----Original Message-----
> > Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: fishin
Interesting, My friend just started flying lessons out of Long Beach Airport andthe instructor always takes him out past the Break Water in the ocean topractice in the C150. I wonder what the Glide ratio is and if with a power outthey could make land. Maybe that is the practice area defined by FAA.I'll have to ask him if he carries his Rubber Duckie with him. (Not Antenna)We used to Sailboat and always felt we were in free flight with the wind movingat a fast 8.5 knts in our Hans 38TGordonsteve(at)byu.edu wrote:> If I want to fly, I nearly have to fly over a town. I live in a valley with> high mountains on either side. If I go south I can stay over sparsly> populated areas, but If I go north it is either over water, (utah or Salt> lake) or over city. Mostly I stay south for pleasure flying. I have had to> fly over short stretches of salt lake and believe me it is very> uncomfortable. I fly sailboat to sailboat. It sure was nice to take in> some new scenery on the trip east!>> Steve Eldredge> IT Services> Brigham Young University>> > -----Original Message-----> > Michael D Cuy> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:29 AM> > To: Pietenpol Discussion> > Subject: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?> >> >> > Earl wrote:> > As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and> > water,nooooo we don't> > >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old> > planes...........> > >Earl Myers> >> > Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too.> > Maybe 1/2 mile or> > two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to> > "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New> > Holstien I> > about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !> > I ain't flyin' no speed demon.> >> > Mike C.> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
Interesting, My friend just started flying lessons out of Long Beach Airport andthe instructor always takes him out past the Break Water in the ocean topractice in the C150. I wonder what the Glide ratio is and if with a power outthey could make land. Maybe that is the practice area defined by FAA.I'll have to ask him if he carries his Rubber Duckie with him. (Not Antenna)We used to Sailboat and always felt we were in free flight with the wind movingat a fast 8.5 knts in our Hans 38TGordonsteve(at)byu.edu wrote:> If I want to fly, I nearly have to fly over a town. I live in a valley with> high mountains on either side. If I go south I can stay over sparsly> populated areas, but If I go north it is either over water, (utah or Salt> lake) or over city. Mostly I stay south for pleasure flying. I have had to> fly over short stretches of salt lake and believe me it is very> uncomfortable. I fly sailboat to sailboat. It sure was nice to take in> some new scenery on the trip east!>> Steve Eldredge> IT Services> Brigham Young University>> > -----Original Message-----> > Michael D Cuy> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:29 AM> > To: Pietenpol Discussion> > Subject: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?> >> >> > Earl wrote:> > As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and> > water,nooooo we don't> > >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old> > planes...........> > >Earl Myers> >> > Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too.> > Maybe 1/2 mile or> > two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to> > "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New> > Holstien I> > about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !> > I ain't flyin' no speed demon.> >> > Mike C.> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: mbell1(at)columbiaenergygroup.com
Michael D Cuy wrote:> Earl wrote:> As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo we don't> >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old planes...........> >Earl Myers>> Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mile or> two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to> "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien I> about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !> I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>> Mike C.for those who don't know the lake, it's 11 miles wide and 27 miles long.(one ofmy favorite fishing spots)JoeC________________________________________________________________________________
Michael D Cuy wrote:> Earl wrote:> As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo we don't> >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old planes...........> >Earl Myers>> Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mile or> two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to> "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien I> about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !> I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>> Mike C.for those who don't know the lake, it's 11 miles wide and 27 miles long.(one ofmy favorite fishing spots)JoeC________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Would anyone care to estimate the glide ratio of a Piet? What is the glideangle for maximum distance? One half of 11 miles is 5.5 miles or about 29,000feet. At 10:1 and 3,000 feet altitude on a calm day you could theoreticallymake it to either shore with a little to spare.Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 08/24/99 04:08:54 PMPlease respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNETcc:Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?Michael D Cuy wrote:> Earl wrote:> As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo we don't> >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old planes...........> >Earl Myers>> Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mile or> two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to> "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien I> about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !> I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>> Mike C.for those who don't know the lake, it's 11 miles wide and 27 miles long.(one ofmy favorite fishing spots)JoeC________________________________________________________________________________
Would anyone care to estimate the glide ratio of a Piet? What is the glideangle for maximum distance? One half of 11 miles is 5.5 miles or about 29,000feet. At 10:1 and 3,000 feet altitude on a calm day you could theoreticallymake it to either shore with a little to spare.Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 08/24/99 04:08:54 PMPlease respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNETcc:Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?Michael D Cuy wrote:> Earl wrote:> As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo we don't> >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old planes...........> >Earl Myers>> Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mile or> two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to> "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien I> about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !> I ain't flyin' no speed demon.>> Mike C.for those who don't know the lake, it's 11 miles wide and 27 miles long.(one ofmy favorite fishing spots)JoeC________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
I for one have flown over Lake Winnebago twice and outside of glidingdistance of the shore. I ended up in the lake just short of the shoreline.OK, I was on floats and I was heading for the seaplane base for OSH.One piece of trivia that I found most entertaining was the meaning of theindian word Winnebago. Due to the shallow nature of the lake (less than20') it has a high concentration of algea that gives the lake a bit of aodour. It's naturally occuring (not polution) and has been around forcenturies. Hence, when the Native Americans named the lake they called itWinnebago; "Smelly Water". Everytime a "Smelly Water" passes me on thehiway, I have a little chuckle.As for flying over open water, there is nothing like flying the 40 milegap between Newfoundland and Nova Scotia. The engine goes to automaticrough as soon as the floats pass the shoreline. I always try and get ashigh as possible (8500'-9500') but have had to do it at 1500' (2500'ceiling) and only 5 miles vis once. That wasn't fun. Same thing applies,fly from one vessel to the next. Fortunately, there is a lot of shippingboth between NF and NS and out the St. Lawerance. You never really leavegliding distance of a vessel (except at 1500' ;-)KenOn Tue, 24 Aug 1999, fishin wrote:> > > Michael D Cuy wrote:> > > Earl wrote:> > As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo we don't> > >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old planes...........> > >Earl Myers> >> > Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mile or> > two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to> > "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien I> > about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !> > I ain't flyin' no speed demon.> >> > Mike C.> > for those who don't know the lake, it's 11 miles wide and 27 miles long.(oneof> my favorite fishing spots)> JoeC> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)Calgary, Alberta, CanadaChristavia MK 1 C-GREN________________________________________________________________________________
I for one have flown over Lake Winnebago twice and outside of glidingdistance of the shore. I ended up in the lake just short of the shoreline.OK, I was on floats and I was heading for the seaplane base for OSH.One piece of trivia that I found most entertaining was the meaning of theindian word Winnebago. Due to the shallow nature of the lake (less than20') it has a high concentration of algea that gives the lake a bit of aodour. It's naturally occuring (not polution) and has been around forcenturies. Hence, when the Native Americans named the lake they called itWinnebago; "Smelly Water". Everytime a "Smelly Water" passes me on thehiway, I have a little chuckle.As for flying over open water, there is nothing like flying the 40 milegap between Newfoundland and Nova Scotia. The engine goes to automaticrough as soon as the floats pass the shoreline. I always try and get ashigh as possible (8500'-9500') but have had to do it at 1500' (2500'ceiling) and only 5 miles vis once. That wasn't fun. Same thing applies,fly from one vessel to the next. Fortunately, there is a lot of shippingboth between NF and NS and out the St. Lawerance. You never really leavegliding distance of a vessel (except at 1500' ;-)KenOn Tue, 24 Aug 1999, fishin wrote:> > > Michael D Cuy wrote:> > > Earl wrote:> > As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo we don't> > >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old planes...........> > >Earl Myers> >> > Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mile or> > two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to> > "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien I> > about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !> > I ain't flyin' no speed demon.> >> > Mike C.> > for those who don't know the lake, it's 11 miles wide and 27 miles long.(oneof> my favorite fishing spots)> JoeC> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)Calgary, Alberta, CanadaChristavia MK 1 C-GREN________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: Copinfo
I think the glide ratio is probably 6 or 7 to one.My RV-6 is really only about 9 to 1. Its a little cleaner than a Piet but neitheris a glider!I have a friend who flys an S1S Pitts. He carries a brick with him in case theengine quits. When the engine quits, he throws the brick out to see where he willbe able to glide to:-).Regards,Bob Seibertmbell1(at)columbiaenergygroup.com wrote:> Would anyone care to estimate the glide ratio of a Piet? What is the glide> angle for maximum distance? One half of 11 miles is 5.5 miles or about 29,000> feet. At 10:1 and 3,000 feet altitude on a calm day you could theoretically> make it to either shore with a little to spare.>> Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 08/24/99 04:08:54 PM> Please respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET>> To: piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET> cc:>> Subject: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>> Michael D Cuy wrote:>> > Earl wrote:> > As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo we don't> > >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old planes...........> > >Earl Myers> >> > Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mile or> > two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to> > "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien I> > about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !> > I ain't flyin' no speed demon.> >> > Mike C.>> for those who don't know the lake, it's 11 miles wide and 27 miles long.(oneof> my favorite fishing spots)> JoeC________________________________________________________________________________
I think the glide ratio is probably 6 or 7 to one.My RV-6 is really only about 9 to 1. Its a little cleaner than a Piet but neitheris a glider!I have a friend who flys an S1S Pitts. He carries a brick with him in case theengine quits. When the engine quits, he throws the brick out to see where he willbe able to glide to:-).Regards,Bob Seibertmbell1(at)columbiaenergygroup.com wrote:> Would anyone care to estimate the glide ratio of a Piet? What is the glide> angle for maximum distance? One half of 11 miles is 5.5 miles or about 29,000> feet. At 10:1 and 3,000 feet altitude on a calm day you could theoretically> make it to either shore with a little to spare.>> Maiser(at)adena.byu.edu on 08/24/99 04:08:54 PM> Please respond to piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET>> To: piet(at)byu.edu @ INTERNET> cc:>> Subject: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?>> Michael D Cuy wrote:>> > Earl wrote:> > As a personal flying rule, I avoid built up areas (and water,nooooo we don't> > >do WATER!) and towns whenever possible when flying the old planes...........> > >Earl Myers> >> > Earl- A big Amen to that no over water rule for me too. Maybe 1/2 mile or> > two but that's enough for me. When the photo guys at EAA told me to> > "just fly 20 NM over Lake Winnebago" to the photo site at New Holstien I> > about filled my pants. No thank you, I'll go the scenic route !> > I ain't flyin' no speed demon.> >> > Mike C.>> for those who don't know the lake, it's 11 miles wide and 27 miles long.(oneof> my favorite fishing spots)> JoeC________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: ADonJr(at)aol.com
Glide ratio? Didn't know it had one. Mine is more like a fall ratio. Iwould guess maybe 2:1 on a good day. Depends on how hard you want to hitthe ground when you get there.Ted B>Would anyone care to estimate the glide ratio of a Piet? ________________________________________________________________________________
Glide ratio? Didn't know it had one. Mine is more like a fall ratio. Iwould guess maybe 2:1 on a good day. Depends on how hard you want to hitthe ground when you get there.Ted B>Would anyone care to estimate the glide ratio of a Piet? ________________________________________________________________________________
Original Posted By: Burroughs
Steve E. With your answer regarding the cap strips the saw is going to behumming and the chips flying. Found a batch of Douglas Fir with between18 and 22 rings to the inch. Bought a bunch of it. Since I am going tobe hanging a little more power under the cowel the additional weightisn't going to matter. Thanks for the quick response, Ron Gipson________________________________________________________________________________
Steve E. With your answer regarding the cap strips the saw is going to behumming and the chips flying. Found a batch of Douglas Fir with between18 and 22 rings to the inch. Bought a bunch of it. Since I am going tobe hanging a little more power under the cowel the additional weightisn't going to matter. Thanks for the quick response, Ron Gipson________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?
Original Posted By: Greg Yotz
I have to agree here. the glide ratio is nill. I fly my patterns in mostaircraft so that if I lose my engine I can glide to the runway, and in thepiet, I cross the threshold at 500'. :)Steve e.-----Original Message-----BrousseauSent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 8:09 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?Glide ratio? Didn't know it had one. Mine is more like a fall ratio. Iwould guess maybe 2:1 on a good day. Depends on how hard you want to hitthe ground when you get there.Ted B>Would anyone care to estimate the glide ratio of a Piet? ________________________________________________________________________________
I have to agree here. the glide ratio is nill. I fly my patterns in mostaircraft so that if I lose my engine I can glide to the runway, and in thepiet, I cross the threshold at 500'. :)Steve e.-----Original Message-----BrousseauSent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 8:09 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Low and Slow ....over town?Glide ratio? Didn't know it had one. Mine is more like a fall ratio. Iwould guess maybe 2:1 on a good day. Depends on how hard you want to hitthe ground when you get there.Ted B>Would anyone care to estimate the glide ratio of a Piet? ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Ron Gipson
I thought the same thing about an ultralight I used to have. A buddy ofmine had the same plane except his was trimmed forweight. Only the bare essentials for his. His plane alwaysoutperformed mine with the same engine. I thought it was because myengine wasn't running well. After much work and testing it turned out tobe completely related to wing loading.We had the same wings but mine were loaded heavier than his. After thatI just took the notion I had to be satisfied withwhat I had. Until I had to make a forced no power landing. I almostdidn't make the flat spot in a pasture.We did some tests and found that he could go almost 25% farther on adead stick at a given altitude than my plane.Now I give weight a little more thought.Greg Yotz -----Original Message-----
I thought the same thing about an ultralight I used to have. A buddy ofmine had the same plane except his was trimmed forweight. Only the bare essentials for his. His plane alwaysoutperformed mine with the same engine. I thought it was because myengine wasn't running well. After much work and testing it turned out tobe completely related to wing loading.We had the same wings but mine were loaded heavier than his. After thatI just took the notion I had to be satisfied withwhat I had. Until I had to make a forced no power landing. I almostdidn't make the flat spot in a pasture.We did some tests and found that he could go almost 25% farther on adead stick at a given altitude than my plane.Now I give weight a little more thought.Greg Yotz -----Original Message-----