Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: "Doug Sheets"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org>>For those people who have enjoyed visiting the>AirCamper.org website over the past few years, I am>sorry to say it is no more. Over the past 5 days it>has been hacked into more than once, and it's pages>defaced. I do not have the time or money to spend in>making it totally secure against attacks of this kind,>so I am simply shutting it down indefinately. If>theres anyone out there with the time to secure a>server completely against these attacks, or has server>space with ColdFusion support, contact me and we'll>see about getting it back online for the hundreds of>people who visit the site every week. Until then...>>It's been fun. See you "up there".>>Sincere appologies and Merry Christmas,>Richard DeCosta>>>=====>rdecost1(at)maine.rr.com>Homepage: http://www.aircamper.org/w3builder>Film Music: http://www.mp3.com/RichardDeCosta>>____ ... __________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org>>For those people who have enjoyed visiting the>AirCamper.org website over the past few years, I am>sorry to say it is no more. Over the past 5 days it>has been hacked into more than once, and it's pages>defaced. I do not have the time or money to spend in>making it totally secure against attacks of this kind,>so I am simply shutting it down indefinately. If>theres anyone out there with the time to secure a>server completely against these attacks, or has server>space with ColdFusion support, contact me and we'll>see about getting it back online for the hundreds of>people who visit the site every week. Until then...>>It's been fun. See you "up there".>>Sincere appologies and Merry Christmas,>Richard DeCosta>>>=====>rdecost1(at)maine.rr.com>Homepage: http://www.aircamper.org/w3builder>Film Music: http://www.mp3.com/RichardDeCosta>>____ ... __________
Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: LaurenMWilliams(at)webtv.net (Lauren Williams)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org>>For those people who have enjoyed visiting the>AirCamper.org website over the past few years, I am>sorry to say it is no more. Over the past 5 days it>has been hacked into more than once, and it's pages>defaced. I do not have the time or money to spend in>making it totally secure against attacks of this kind,>so I am simply shutting it down indefinately. If>theres anyone out there with the time to secure a>server completely against these attacks, or has server>space with ColdFusion support, contact me and we'll>see about getting it back online for the hundreds of>people who visit the site every week. Until then...>>It's been fun. See you "up there".>>Sincere appologies and Merry Christmas,>Richard DeCosta>>>=====>rdecost1(at)maine.rr.com>Homepage: http://www.aircamper.org/w3builder>Film Music: http://www.mp3.com/RichardDeCosta>>____ ... __________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org>>For those people who have enjoyed visiting the>AirCamper.org website over the past few years, I am>sorry to say it is no more. Over the past 5 days it>has been hacked into more than once, and it's pages>defaced. I do not have the time or money to spend in>making it totally secure against attacks of this kind,>so I am simply shutting it down indefinately. If>theres anyone out there with the time to secure a>server completely against these attacks, or has server>space with ColdFusion support, contact me and we'll>see about getting it back online for the hundreds of>people who visit the site every week. Until then...>>It's been fun. See you "up there".>>Sincere appologies and Merry Christmas,>Richard DeCosta>>>=====>rdecost1(at)maine.rr.com>Homepage: http://www.aircamper.org/w3builder>Film Music: http://www.mp3.com/RichardDeCosta>>____ ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: "Tim Cunningham"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org>>how sad it is that the sick action of some sorry a__ s.o.b. had to ruinsuch a>valuable asset to the many builders and drivers of Piet and Piet likemachines.>hopefully in the near future a cure for this sickness can be found and the>perpetrators of these crimes can be located and punished..I for one findRichard's>site a most valuable reference site in the progression of my Piet project.what a>shame it is that at this Christmas time, a time of giving, that so much wastaken..>>to all you followers of the Pietenpol movement, best wishes for a verymerry>Christmas and a very successful year ahead in the building and flying ofyour>projects..>Richard Dc--your site was and is very much appreciated and hopefully,sometime in>the future it will be resurrected stronger and safer than ever.>regards>JoeC>Zion, Illinois>>Richard DeCosta wrote:>>>>> For those people who have enjoyed visiting the>> AirCamper.org website over the past few years, I am>> sorry to say it is no more. Over the past 5 days it>> has been hacked into more than once, and it's pages>> defaced. I do not have the time or money to spend in>> making it totally secure against attacks of this kind,>> so I am simply shutting it down indefinately. If>> theres anyone out there with the time to secure a>> server completely against these attacks, or has server>> space with ColdFusion support, contact me and we'll>> see about getting it back online for the hundreds of>> people who visit the site every week. Until then...>>>> It's been fun. See you "up there".>>>> Sincere appologies and Merry Christmas,>> Richard DeCosta>>>> =====>> rdecost1(at)maine.rr.com>> Homepage: http://www.aircamper.org/w3builder>> Film Music: http://www.mp3.com/RichardDeCosta>>>>__ ... __________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org>>how sad it is that the sick action of some sorry a__ s.o.b. had to ruinsuch a>valuable asset to the many builders and drivers of Piet and Piet likemachines.>hopefully in the near future a cure for this sickness can be found and the>perpetrators of these crimes can be located and punished..I for one findRichard's>site a most valuable reference site in the progression of my Piet project.what a>shame it is that at this Christmas time, a time of giving, that so much wastaken..>>to all you followers of the Pietenpol movement, best wishes for a verymerry>Christmas and a very successful year ahead in the building and flying ofyour>projects..>Richard Dc--your site was and is very much appreciated and hopefully,sometime in>the future it will be resurrected stronger and safer than ever.>regards>JoeC>Zion, Illinois>>Richard DeCosta wrote:>>>>> For those people who have enjoyed visiting the>> AirCamper.org website over the past few years, I am>> sorry to say it is no more. Over the past 5 days it>> has been hacked into more than once, and it's pages>> defaced. I do not have the time or money to spend in>> making it totally secure against attacks of this kind,>> so I am simply shutting it down indefinately. If>> theres anyone out there with the time to secure a>> server completely against these attacks, or has server>> space with ColdFusion support, contact me and we'll>> see about getting it back online for the hundreds of>> people who visit the site every week. Until then...>>>> It's been fun. See you "up there".>>>> Sincere appologies and Merry Christmas,>> Richard DeCosta>>>> =====>> rdecost1(at)maine.rr.com>> Homepage: http://www.aircamper.org/w3builder>> Film Music: http://www.mp3.com/RichardDeCosta>>>>__ ... __________
Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: John Duprey
Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: fishin
Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: fishin
Ditto!Thanks Richard. Too bad the jerks out there make it hard for the rest of usto have "things"Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all.Bert-----Original Message-----
Ditto!Thanks Richard. Too bad the jerks out there make it hard for the rest of usto have "things"Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all.Bert-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: Steve Dortch
Richard, I've gone almost three years without a Police Brutality Lawsuit.If you find the guilty culprit I'll be happy to take time to pay him a vist.Don't give up. We all loved the site and want to see it up and runningagain. Everyone, have a great holiday.Copinfo(at)home.comTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 11:18:11 -0800
Richard, I've gone almost three years without a Police Brutality Lawsuit.If you find the guilty culprit I'll be happy to take time to pay him a vist.Don't give up. We all loved the site and want to see it up and runningagain. Everyone, have a great holiday.Copinfo(at)home.comTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 11:18:11 -0800
Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Richard, Sorry to hear what happened to your great website. You surelyhelped me out by providing building tips, pictures , and other greatinformation.I hope we can catch the sick individual that caused this. Onceagain, thanks for a great service from a fellow Piet builder, hope you canstart it up again real soon. Sam-----Original Message-----
Richard, Sorry to hear what happened to your great website. You surelyhelped me out by providing building tips, pictures , and other greatinformation.I hope we can catch the sick individual that caused this. Onceagain, thanks for a great service from a fellow Piet builder, hope you canstart it up again real soon. Sam-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: vistin(at)juno.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.orgRichard,Let me add my expression of appreciation and regret over the demise of your site. It served as an inspiration to many of us, and it will be greatly missed. Best of the new year to you and yours.Don Cooley________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.orgRichard,Let me add my expression of appreciation and regret over the demise of your site. It served as an inspiration to many of us, and it will be greatly missed. Best of the new year to you and yours.Don Cooley________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
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Richard,How much room did the web site occupy?Ted BrousseauNaples, FL----- Original Message -----
Richard,How much room did the web site occupy?Ted BrousseauNaples, FL----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
> Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: Jim Sury
Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
So sorry. What a pity that people get into destroying the labours of others.I really enjoyed the site richard and hope that some how a way can be foundto get it up again. It is a wonderful resource.Thanks again for your efforts,John McNarry-----Original Message-----
So sorry. What a pity that people get into destroying the labours of others.I really enjoyed the site richard and hope that some how a way can be foundto get it up again. It is a wonderful resource.Thanks again for your efforts,John McNarry-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: "Domenico Bellissimo"
Yes, Good luck Richard.Domenic________________________________________________________________________________
Yes, Good luck Richard.Domenic________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: Gary Gower
Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Yes, AirCamper.org is down. I am unable to pay for the ISP or domain name,so it's offline for now. I am trying to set up a temporary server somewhereto at least get the content online, who knows when. Thanks to all who havesupported in the past.Cheers,Richard________________________________________________________________________________
Yes, AirCamper.org is down. I am unable to pay for the ISP or domain name,so it's offline for now. I am trying to set up a temporary server somewhereto at least get the content online, who knows when. Thanks to all who havesupported in the past.Cheers,Richard________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Richard, If you go to www.virtualave.com , they will give you a freewebsite. The only catch is that you have to put their banner on your pages.You can sell on there and there is plenty of web space. Also, the name wouldbe for example, www.aircamper.virtualave.com. With Chris Bobka's web siteand virtualave, you could put links between the two and probably have morethan enough space to put on all the good stuff you have. We all miss it.CarlPlease visit my website atwww.megsinet.net/skycarl-----Original Message-----
Richard, If you go to www.virtualave.com , they will give you a freewebsite. The only catch is that you have to put their banner on your pages.You can sell on there and there is plenty of web space. Also, the name wouldbe for example, www.aircamper.virtualave.com. With Chris Bobka's web siteand virtualave, you could put links between the two and probably have morethan enough space to put on all the good stuff you have. We all miss it.CarlPlease visit my website atwww.megsinet.net/skycarl-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re:
Original Posted By: TomTravis(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: In a message dated 3/16/01 9:42:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, catdesigns(at)juno.com writes:> Gang,> I got all my rudder wood cut last night... then for grins, I > put my vertical stabilizer up to it... I was surprised to find a good bit> of difference (I guess about 1/2" to 5/8") in them at the top!> I then went to the plans, and did the math, the rudder is 43 1/2", and> the > measurement for the v-stab is 31". I added up the height measurements for> > the tail post - 10 7/8", the horizontal stab - 1" and the 31" for the> vstab > and came up with 42 7/8". That would seem to explain why my vstab is > shorter, but am I missing something? Is the vstab shorter to account for> > layers of fabric that will be beneath it? Or is this one of those areas > where you just sort of wing it and make it work? I can do that, but I was> > just wondering if I had somehow overlooked something........Gary> > I got the same problem and the same question but I could not find any> answers in the archives. Is there any one who knows if the plans are> wrong????> Chris> Sacramento, CA> > > Gary/Chris,I did the same thing on three airplanes so far. It does not seem to matter in actual operation of the aircraft. This is probably just on oversight in the drawing. However, I was too curious to not have an answer, so here is my opinion for the improved air camper plans only.These plans were drawn from a completed aircraft by Orrin hoopman. The aircraft is 12937 which is in the museum at Oshkosh. It is the first improved aircamper. While visiting last year I looked at that very feature and I found that the curve at the top of the vertical on that airplane consumes 1/2 inch of the total height of the main beam in the vertical. In other words the extension line on the drawing should be (or perhaps is) drawn to the top of the curve. This would take a corresponding amount from the rudder total height. Hope this is clear. I know this is somewhat of a stretch, but I was satisfied for myself.The more I operate my first airplane (an 'A' powered aircamper), build on others, and examine the plans, the more amazed I become at how great this little airplane is for the mission it was intended. Doug Bryant ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: In a message dated 3/16/01 9:42:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, catdesigns(at)juno.com writes:> Gang,> I got all my rudder wood cut last night... then for grins, I > put my vertical stabilizer up to it... I was surprised to find a good bit> of difference (I guess about 1/2" to 5/8") in them at the top!> I then went to the plans, and did the math, the rudder is 43 1/2", and> the > measurement for the v-stab is 31". I added up the height measurements for> > the tail post - 10 7/8", the horizontal stab - 1" and the 31" for the> vstab > and came up with 42 7/8". That would seem to explain why my vstab is > shorter, but am I missing something? Is the vstab shorter to account for> > layers of fabric that will be beneath it? Or is this one of those areas > where you just sort of wing it and make it work? I can do that, but I was> > just wondering if I had somehow overlooked something........Gary> > I got the same problem and the same question but I could not find any> answers in the archives. Is there any one who knows if the plans are> wrong????> Chris> Sacramento, CA> > > Gary/Chris,I did the same thing on three airplanes so far. It does not seem to matter in actual operation of the aircraft. This is probably just on oversight in the drawing. However, I was too curious to not have an answer, so here is my opinion for the improved air camper plans only.These plans were drawn from a completed aircraft by Orrin hoopman. The aircraft is 12937 which is in the museum at Oshkosh. It is the first improved aircamper. While visiting last year I looked at that very feature and I found that the curve at the top of the vertical on that airplane consumes 1/2 inch of the total height of the main beam in the vertical. In other words the extension line on the drawing should be (or perhaps is) drawn to the top of the curve. This would take a corresponding amount from the rudder total height. Hope this is clear. I know this is somewhat of a stretch, but I was satisfied for myself.The more I operate my first airplane (an 'A' powered aircamper), build on others, and examine the plans, the more amazed I become at how great this little airplane is for the mission it was intended. Doug Bryant ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: In a message dated 3/17/2001 10:55:28 AM Central Standard Time, Doug413(at)aol.com writes:> Gang,> > I got all my rudder wood cut last night... then for grins, I > > put my vertical stabilizer up to it... I was surprised to find a good bit> > of difference (I guess about 1/2" to 5/8") in them at the top!> > I then went to the plans, and did the math, the rudder is 43 1/2", and> > the > > measurement for the v-stab is 31". I added up the height measurements for> > > > the tail post - 10 7/8", the horizontal stab - 1" and the 31" for the> > vstab > > and came up with 42 7/8". That would seem to explain why my vstab is > > shorter, but am I missing something? Is the vstab shorter to account for> > > > layers of fabric that will be beneath it? Or is this one of those areas > > where you just sort of wing it and make it work? I can do that, but I was> > > > just wondering if I had somehow overlooked something........Gary> > > > I got the same problem and the same question but I could not find any> > answers in the archives. Is there any one who knows if the plans are> > wrong????> I ran into the same thing and just laid out the patterns and winged it. Doesn't seem to be too big a deal. It worked out fine. Tom Travis________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:13:24 -0600
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: In a message dated 3/17/2001 10:55:28 AM Central Standard Time, Doug413(at)aol.com writes:> Gang,> > I got all my rudder wood cut last night... then for grins, I > > put my vertical stabilizer up to it... I was surprised to find a good bit> > of difference (I guess about 1/2" to 5/8") in them at the top!> > I then went to the plans, and did the math, the rudder is 43 1/2", and> > the > > measurement for the v-stab is 31". I added up the height measurements for> > > > the tail post - 10 7/8", the horizontal stab - 1" and the 31" for the> > vstab > > and came up with 42 7/8". That would seem to explain why my vstab is > > shorter, but am I missing something? Is the vstab shorter to account for> > > > layers of fabric that will be beneath it? Or is this one of those areas > > where you just sort of wing it and make it work? I can do that, but I was> > > > just wondering if I had somehow overlooked something........Gary> > > > I got the same problem and the same question but I could not find any> > answers in the archives. Is there any one who knows if the plans are> > wrong????> I ran into the same thing and just laid out the patterns and winged it. Doesn't seem to be too big a deal. It worked out fine. Tom Travis________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:13:24 -0600
Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: "Michael Brusilow"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.orgIn a message dated 3/17/01 11:30:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, skycarl(at)megsinet.net writes:>This also applies to several other "free" sites.See if www.tripod.com or www.webjump.com can do same thingWebjump.com gives you 25meg of space, and virtual domain.As usual, you get their banner though :-(________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.orgIn a message dated 3/17/01 11:30:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, skycarl(at)megsinet.net writes:>This also applies to several other "free" sites.See if www.tripod.com or www.webjump.com can do same thingWebjump.com gives you 25meg of space, and virtual domain.As usual, you get their banner though :-(________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: "walter evans"
The site is now available, though not through the domain name. To get to thenew site, go to http://aircamper.no-ip.com/ I am incrementally bringing thesite back. What is back online now is the image library (soon to bethoroughly searchable), mpeg videos, building tips and supplier list. Tocome shortly are the sounds, plan error list, getting started and faq (Ineed hel with the faq, so if anyone cares to contribute a faq, email me).http://aircamper.no-ip.com/Once I get the cash together, the real domain name will be available again.Cheers,Richard________________________________________________________________________________
The site is now available, though not through the domain name. To get to thenew site, go to http://aircamper.no-ip.com/ I am incrementally bringing thesite back. What is back online now is the image library (soon to bethoroughly searchable), mpeg videos, building tips and supplier list. Tocome shortly are the sounds, plan error list, getting started and faq (Ineed hel with the faq, so if anyone cares to contribute a faq, email me).http://aircamper.no-ip.com/Once I get the cash together, the real domain name will be available again.Cheers,Richard________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org
Original Posted By: "SAM & JAN MARINUCCI"
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org>> >> >how sad it is that the sick action of some sorry a__ s.o.b. had to ruin> such a> >valuable asset to the many builders and drivers of Piet and Piet like> machines.> >hopefully in the near future a cure for this sickness can be found and the> >perpetrators of these crimes can be located and punished..I for one find> Richard's> >site a most valuable reference site in the progression of my Piet project.> what a> >shame it is that at this Christmas time, a time of giving, that so much was> taken..> >> >to all you followers of the Pietenpol movement, best wishes for a very> merry> >Christmas and a very successful year ahead in the building and flying of> your> >projects..> >Richard Dc--your site was and is very much appreciated and hopefully,> sometime in> >the future it will be resurrected stronger and safer than ever.> >regards> >JoeC> >Zion, Illinois> >> >Richard DeCosta wrote:> >> > >>> >> For those people who have enjoyed visiting the> >> AirCamper.org website over the past few years, I am> >> sorry to say it is no more. Over the past 5 days it> >> has been hacked into more than once, and it's pages> >> defaced. I do not have the time or money to spend in> >> making it totally secure against attacks of this kind,> >> so I am simply shutting it down indefinately. If> >> theres anyone out there with the time to secure a> >> server completely against these attacks, or has server> >> space with ColdFusion support, contact me and we'll> >> see about getting it back online for the hundreds of> >> people who visit the site every week. Until then...> >>> >> It's been fun. See you "up there".> >>> >> Sincere appologies and Merry Christmas,> >> Richard DeCosta> >>> >> =====> >> rdecost1(at)maine.rr.com> >> Homepage: http://www.aircamper.org/w3builder> >> Film Music: http://www.mp3.com/RichardDeCosta> >>> >> >>________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AirCamper.org>> >> >how sad it is that the sick action of some sorry a__ s.o.b. had to ruin> such a> >valuable asset to the many builders and drivers of Piet and Piet like> machines.> >hopefully in the near future a cure for this sickness can be found and the> >perpetrators of these crimes can be located and punished..I for one find> Richard's> >site a most valuable reference site in the progression of my Piet project.> what a> >shame it is that at this Christmas time, a time of giving, that so much was> taken..> >> >to all you followers of the Pietenpol movement, best wishes for a very> merry> >Christmas and a very successful year ahead in the building and flying of> your> >projects..> >Richard Dc--your site was and is very much appreciated and hopefully,> sometime in> >the future it will be resurrected stronger and safer than ever.> >regards> >JoeC> >Zion, Illinois> >> >Richard DeCosta wrote:> >> > >>> >> For those people who have enjoyed visiting the> >> AirCamper.org website over the past few years, I am> >> sorry to say it is no more. Over the past 5 days it> >> has been hacked into more than once, and it's pages> >> defaced. I do not have the time or money to spend in> >> making it totally secure against attacks of this kind,> >> so I am simply shutting it down indefinately. If> >> theres anyone out there with the time to secure a> >> server completely against these attacks, or has server> >> space with ColdFusion support, contact me and we'll> >> see about getting it back online for the hundreds of> >> people who visit the site every week. Until then...> >>> >> It's been fun. See you "up there".> >>> >> Sincere appologies and Merry Christmas,> >> Richard DeCosta> >>> >> =====> >> rdecost1(at)maine.rr.com> >> Homepage: http://www.aircamper.org/w3builder> >> Film Music: http://www.mp3.com/RichardDeCosta> >>> >> >>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re:
Original Posted By: "David Boyd"
Gang, I got all my rudder wood cut last night... then for grins, I put my vertical stabilizer up to it... I was surprised to find a good bitof difference (I guess about 1/2" to 5/8") in them at the top! I then went to the plans, and did the math, the rudder is 43 1/2", andthe measurement for the v-stab is 31". I added up the height measurements forthe tail post - 10 7/8", the horizontal stab - 1" and the 31" for thevstab and came up with 42 7/8". That would seem to explain why my vstab is shorter, but am I missing something? Is the vstab shorter to account forlayers of fabric that will be beneath it? Or is this one of those areas where you just sort of wing it and make it work? I can do that, but I wasjust wondering if I had somehow overlooked something........GaryI got the same problem and the same question but I could not find anyanswers in the archives. Is there any one who knows if the plans arewrong????ChrisSacramento, CA________________________________________________________________________________
Gang, I got all my rudder wood cut last night... then for grins, I put my vertical stabilizer up to it... I was surprised to find a good bitof difference (I guess about 1/2" to 5/8") in them at the top! I then went to the plans, and did the math, the rudder is 43 1/2", andthe measurement for the v-stab is 31". I added up the height measurements forthe tail post - 10 7/8", the horizontal stab - 1" and the 31" for thevstab and came up with 42 7/8". That would seem to explain why my vstab is shorter, but am I missing something? Is the vstab shorter to account forlayers of fabric that will be beneath it? Or is this one of those areas where you just sort of wing it and make it work? I can do that, but I wasjust wondering if I had somehow overlooked something........GaryI got the same problem and the same question but I could not find anyanswers in the archives. Is there any one who knows if the plans arewrong????ChrisSacramento, CA________________________________________________________________________________