Original Posted By: "Mike Bell"
Hi guysI was down scratching the skull with the morning coffee, and had an idea.The original floor design is placed under the lower x-braces and glued onfrom underneath. This is how mine is sitting right now, but its just tackedand clamped.Hows about mounting it on TOP of the lower longerons and x-braces???It would be a bit trickier to make and install (some detail cutting with thedremmel would do the trick) and would require a few mounting blocks to beinstalled for seats ect, but on the plus side, it would give fewer placesfor moisture to accumulate, it would just run down the smooth floor and outthe drain holes by the pilots seat.Or am I missing something?MikeAirplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.The more money you throw at them,the faster they fly.IHA 110________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Floor
Re: Pietenpol-List: Floor
Original Posted By: Rodger & Betty
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FloorI thought the same thing. Also, how about the ply sides on the inside. Wouldn't this be just as strong and more likely to protect the pilot? Howdy________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:01:33 -0600
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FloorI thought the same thing. Also, how about the ply sides on the inside. Wouldn't this be just as strong and more likely to protect the pilot? Howdy________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:01:33 -0600
Re: Pietenpol-List: Reading between the gussets
Original Posted By: "Doug"
>>Yes there is, and save some weight in the process; rip the 1/8" ply>into 5/16" strips and use that. Glue and tack with SMALL brads>sparingly. You've got the right idea, something has to go on the>longerons between the gussets to give a proper fitting covering.>>Of course, this applies to the longerons behind the rear seat. The>plywood sides and bottom must be in full contact with the longerons>and braces.>>Then when you bolt the metal fittings to the upper longerons you will>find you'll have to use this same idea of a strip of wood to raise the>covering above the height of the bolt head. And then taper it down to>the surface of the plywood, at the rear of the cockpit, over some>reasonable distance of 6" to 12".Thanks- One of those obvious things where I can see the forest for thetrees.>As for putting the plywood sides on the inside of the longerons, maybe.>This will effectivly reduce the cockpit width by 2", and possiably>cause routing problems for the rear cockpit throttle cable, and>instrument wiring and cables.>>About putting in the plywood flooring on the top side of the longerons,>lots of luck. Maybe not impossable but close to it. Remember the KISS>method, Keep It Simple Stu---(Guys). Besides, put the floor board on>first and then lap the sides over the bottom, making them flush with>the bottom ply.I actually tried it with a cardboard mock-up of the ply. It'll ONLY work ifthe firewall is not on yet, but then it is just a matter of some EXACTcutting, feeding it in thru the front at an angle and lay it flat. I figureon 15-20 hrs to do the cutting/sanding that exact, plus wrecked pieces. Iwill try it with one, and if that fails the wrecked pice becomes bulkheadmaterial and back to the old way.>Now about the idea to make a mount to hold the fuselage so it could be>turned to a convient position to work on. NOW THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.Works Great, except I got rid of the tail support and just have my workmateabout 1/3 if the way foreward from the tailpost. Much easier to just graband turn, and no need to ply areound with locking pins under a loaded mount(which didnt work so well--to much flex in the wood)>Rodger>gettin' close to finishing the wing>>________________________________________________________________________________
>>Yes there is, and save some weight in the process; rip the 1/8" ply>into 5/16" strips and use that. Glue and tack with SMALL brads>sparingly. You've got the right idea, something has to go on the>longerons between the gussets to give a proper fitting covering.>>Of course, this applies to the longerons behind the rear seat. The>plywood sides and bottom must be in full contact with the longerons>and braces.>>Then when you bolt the metal fittings to the upper longerons you will>find you'll have to use this same idea of a strip of wood to raise the>covering above the height of the bolt head. And then taper it down to>the surface of the plywood, at the rear of the cockpit, over some>reasonable distance of 6" to 12".Thanks- One of those obvious things where I can see the forest for thetrees.>As for putting the plywood sides on the inside of the longerons, maybe.>This will effectivly reduce the cockpit width by 2", and possiably>cause routing problems for the rear cockpit throttle cable, and>instrument wiring and cables.>>About putting in the plywood flooring on the top side of the longerons,>lots of luck. Maybe not impossable but close to it. Remember the KISS>method, Keep It Simple Stu---(Guys). Besides, put the floor board on>first and then lap the sides over the bottom, making them flush with>the bottom ply.I actually tried it with a cardboard mock-up of the ply. It'll ONLY work ifthe firewall is not on yet, but then it is just a matter of some EXACTcutting, feeding it in thru the front at an angle and lay it flat. I figureon 15-20 hrs to do the cutting/sanding that exact, plus wrecked pieces. Iwill try it with one, and if that fails the wrecked pice becomes bulkheadmaterial and back to the old way.>Now about the idea to make a mount to hold the fuselage so it could be>turned to a convient position to work on. NOW THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.Works Great, except I got rid of the tail support and just have my workmateabout 1/3 if the way foreward from the tailpost. Much easier to just graband turn, and no need to ply areound with locking pins under a loaded mount(which didnt work so well--to much flex in the wood)>Rodger>gettin' close to finishing the wing>>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Floor
Original Posted By:> VAHOWDY(at)aol.com
Graham Hanson's Piet and also it's sister ship has the ply on the inside(ofthe sides).Doug Hunt----------
Graham Hanson's Piet and also it's sister ship has the ply on the inside(ofthe sides).Doug Hunt----------
Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A-65
Original Posted By: James F. Cooper
I have 3 Continental A-65-8's. They start at $3000.00 and go up to $5500.I know there are some out there that are cheaper, but you usually have tohave them rebuilt and end up with more in it than you first think. Oneengine has 65 hours SMOH, another has 170 hours and the last has over 800hours I think.Copinfo(at)home.comTim Cunningham1117 SE 80th StreetRunnells, Iowa 50237 (515) 237-1510----- Original Message -----
I have 3 Continental A-65-8's. They start at $3000.00 and go up to $5500.I know there are some out there that are cheaper, but you usually have tohave them rebuilt and end up with more in it than you first think. Oneengine has 65 hours SMOH, another has 170 hours and the last has over 800hours I think.Copinfo(at)home.comTim Cunningham1117 SE 80th StreetRunnells, Iowa 50237 (515) 237-1510----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A-65
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Nope. I have seen many advertised at various times on the net. Just takessome digging.Good Luck,steveee-----Original Message-----
Nope. I have seen many advertised at various times on the net. Just takessome digging.Good Luck,steveee-----Original Message-----
> Pietenpol-List: Continental A-65
Original Posted By: "mike sublett"
i to am looking for A-65 or 85 for use in my Piet projectthanks for any leadsregards,Mike Sublett>From: "James F. Cooper" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list-digest(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A-65>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:21:00 -0800>>>>I'm looking into building a Pietenpol using a Replicraft Quick Build>Kit, and am hoping to power it with a Continental A-65. Do any of you>know where I might find such an engine? Thank you, Jim Cooper>>________________________________________________________________________________
i to am looking for A-65 or 85 for use in my Piet projectthanks for any leadsregards,Mike Sublett>From: "James F. Cooper" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list-digest(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A-65>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:21:00 -0800>>>>I'm looking into building a Pietenpol using a Replicraft Quick Build>Kit, and am hoping to power it with a Continental A-65. Do any of you>know where I might find such an engine? Thank you, Jim Cooper>>________________________________________________________________________________
> Pietenpol-List: Continental A-65
Original Posted By: del magsam
i to am looking for A-65 or 85 for use in my Piet projectthanks for any leadsregards,Mike Sublett>From: "James F. Cooper" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list-digest(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A-65>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:21:00 -0800>>>>I'm looking into building a Pietenpol using a Replicraft Quick Build>Kit, and am hoping to power it with a Continental A-65. Do any of you>know where I might find such an engine? Thank you, Jim Cooper>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:28:13 -0800 (PST)
i to am looking for A-65 or 85 for use in my Piet projectthanks for any leadsregards,Mike Sublett>From: "James F. Cooper" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list-digest(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A-65>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:21:00 -0800>>>>I'm looking into building a Pietenpol using a Replicraft Quick Build>Kit, and am hoping to power it with a Continental A-65. Do any of you>know where I might find such an engine? Thank you, Jim Cooper>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:28:13 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Floor
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FloorMike, I think you might run into problems with the flight control system ifyou glue the floorboard on top the members. The aileron bellcrank isstopped by the floorboard according to the plans and you would lose aninch and a half this way. Also, the side mounted interconnect tubebetween the front and aft joy stick has clearance problems with the frontseat diagonal braces -- at least our's did. It does sound like an interesting idea though. Our fuselage is all butcomplete and there is one of those ash cross supports for the landinggear where my heels would hit when I work the rudder bar. I've sat inthe seat a lot and worked the rudder bar and I don't think ( I hopeanyway) that this will be a problem, but it has given me some concern. Glueing the plywood on top would give a nice smooth floor inside. Idon't know that dirt or water accumulation would be all that much of aproblem. It's normal to vacuum out the floor of a plane duringinspections and it would be best to make cockpit covers to close theplane when parked outside if it should rain.John LangstonPipe Creek, TXnle97(at)juno.com________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FloorMike, I think you might run into problems with the flight control system ifyou glue the floorboard on top the members. The aileron bellcrank isstopped by the floorboard according to the plans and you would lose aninch and a half this way. Also, the side mounted interconnect tubebetween the front and aft joy stick has clearance problems with the frontseat diagonal braces -- at least our's did. It does sound like an interesting idea though. Our fuselage is all butcomplete and there is one of those ash cross supports for the landinggear where my heels would hit when I work the rudder bar. I've sat inthe seat a lot and worked the rudder bar and I don't think ( I hopeanyway) that this will be a problem, but it has given me some concern. Glueing the plywood on top would give a nice smooth floor inside. Idon't know that dirt or water accumulation would be all that much of aproblem. It's normal to vacuum out the floor of a plane duringinspections and it would be best to make cockpit covers to close theplane when parked outside if it should rain.John LangstonPipe Creek, TXnle97(at)juno.com________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Floor
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FloorMike,-cut- Also, the side mounted interconnect tubebetween the front and aft joy stick has clearance problems with the frontseat diagonal braces -- at least our's did. -cut-John LangstonPipe Creek, TXnle97(at)juno.com----- End Included Message -----> > >> >Has anyone installed the rudder bar and pedestal assembly? I'm > >wondering if the bolt brazed (welded, really) in the rudder > >pedestal is REALLY supposed to be a 5/16 bolt. Drilling out the > >3/8 OD piece of tubing that forms the pivot bushing in the rudder > >bar to accomodate a 5/16 mounting bolt would only leave a wall> >thickness of about 0.030" in the pivot bushing. > >> >Doesn't seem like much for a part that needs to tolerate a fair > >amount of abuse...________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FloorMike,-cut- Also, the side mounted interconnect tubebetween the front and aft joy stick has clearance problems with the frontseat diagonal braces -- at least our's did. -cut-John LangstonPipe Creek, TXnle97(at)juno.com----- End Included Message -----> > >> >Has anyone installed the rudder bar and pedestal assembly? I'm > >wondering if the bolt brazed (welded, really) in the rudder > >pedestal is REALLY supposed to be a 5/16 bolt. Drilling out the > >3/8 OD piece of tubing that forms the pivot bushing in the rudder > >bar to accomodate a 5/16 mounting bolt would only leave a wall> >thickness of about 0.030" in the pivot bushing. > >> >Doesn't seem like much for a part that needs to tolerate a fair > >amount of abuse...________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Floor
Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Hey John, Good to see you again! I read your message about the smooth floor, I think it was Mike Cuy that put some stainless skid plates for where his feet would rest, to give that nice smooth foot support. As I remember, he had skid plates for the front and back. I think I'll do something like that, if I ever get to that point! (If I ever get a heater out in my garage, that is!) I got my gas welding rig last weekend, so far I'm a REAL crummy welder! But I'm practicing! Take care, Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Hey John, Good to see you again! I read your message about the smooth floor, I think it was Mike Cuy that put some stainless skid plates for where his feet would rest, to give that nice smooth foot support. As I remember, he had skid plates for the front and back. I think I'll do something like that, if I ever get to that point! (If I ever get a heater out in my garage, that is!) I got my gas welding rig last weekend, so far I'm a REAL crummy welder! But I'm practicing! Take care, Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Floor
Original Posted By: "Domenico Bellissimo"
Practice welding with the parts at a slight an angle, always weld uphill andkeep the puddle wet and moving at all times.I learned from a master Smith. After my crash I checked the welds and theyall held up.Domenic________________________________________________________________________________
Practice welding with the parts at a slight an angle, always weld uphill andkeep the puddle wet and moving at all times.I learned from a master Smith. After my crash I checked the welds and theyall held up.Domenic________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Floor
Original Posted By: "James F. Cooper"
> > > I thought the same thing. Also, how about the ply sides on the inside. > Wouldn't this be just as strong and more likely to protect the pilot?> Howdy> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:21:00 -0800
> > > I thought the same thing. Also, how about the ply sides on the inside. > Wouldn't this be just as strong and more likely to protect the pilot?> Howdy> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:21:00 -0800
> > Pietenpol-List: Continental A-65
Original Posted By: "Conoly"
> >> Cooper" > >> >> >I'm looking into building a Pietenpol using a> Replicraft Quick Build> >Kit, and am hoping to power it with a Continental> A-65. Do any of you> >know where I might find such an engine? Thank you,> Jim Cooper> >> >> > >> through>> http://www.matronics.com/archives> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists>> Matronics!>> > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.http://im.yahoo.com________________________________________________________________________________
> >> Cooper" > >> >> >I'm looking into building a Pietenpol using a> Replicraft Quick Build> >Kit, and am hoping to power it with a Continental> A-65. Do any of you> >know where I might find such an engine? Thank you,> Jim Cooper> >> >> > >> through>> http://www.matronics.com/archives> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists>> Matronics!>> > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.http://im.yahoo.com________________________________________________________________________________