Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking

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Original Posted By: "Mike Lund"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>Hi Guys>>In all of the different wooden airplanes I studied, about 1/2- 2/3 used a>hardwood wedge between the longerons to support tailwheel loads. The rest>just took the load with the trussing and tailpost.>>What is everybody doing for thiers ?? (mine is not a true Piet, just using>the F/G manual plans--Air Camper and Scout-- as a guideline for some of my>own ideas....It'll look like a piet though .>>My wheel will be a maule, but I havent got a clue yet how I will mount it.I>am leaning towards the scout type "v" with the compression coil spring, but>a leaf spring might end up being lighter so the way to go.>>I'd like to keep as many options as possible open, and its a lot easier to>install now than try and do it later, but I am gonna KICK myself if I endup>carrying around a pound of unneeded oak or ash at the extreme tail.>>Ideas?>>Mike>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.>The more money you throw at them,>the faster they fly.>>IHA 110>>________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>Mike- If you are looking for a coil spring, I bought mine at a motorcycle>salvage yard. It was from the front shock strut. It was about 24 inches>long, so I just cut it short, for a spare. Cost me $10.00.>>Al Swanson>>>>>>Thanks Walt.>>>>I am getting a lot of my non-critical hardware / steel parts the same way>>BHP did---The local tractor supply . I'll just have to see what theyhave>>for coils and leafs, then make up my mind.>>>>Mike>>-----Original Message----->>From: walter evans >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ; piet>>; 5k >>Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:20 PM>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>>>>>>>>Mike,>>>I'm building mine to the plans. Including the original tail assy( only>>>adding a swivveling wheel where the skid was).>>>Once again, old Bernard was smart. The tail skid assy that he designed,>>>"pulls" from the longerons at the pivot point, and the up thrust of the>>skid>>>is put directly up the tail post. But other planes, like my firstproject>>>( Fisher 404) the tail wheel is out on a leaf spring, which is secured toa>>>"V" block. The forces on this are in a way that wants to tear the "V">>block>>>from the tail because of the wheel way out past the tail post. There is>>alot>>>of leverage there.>>>I would say that if you are putting a leaf spring and cantaleveredtail>>>wheel, put in the wedge, if making to Bernards plans, leave it alone.>>>walt>>>-----Original Message----->>>From: Mike Lund >>>To: piet aircamper ; piet>>>; 5k >>>Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:33 PM>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Guys>>>>>>>>In all of the different wooden airplanes I studied, about 1/2- 2/3 useda>>>>hardwood wedge between the longerons to support tailwheel loads. Therest>>>>just took the load with the trussing and tailpost.>>>>>>>>What is everybody doing for thiers ?? (mine is not a true Piet, justusing>>>>the F/G manual plans--Air Camper and Scout-- as a guideline for some ofmy>>>>own ideas....It'll look like a piet though .>>>>>>>>My wheel will be a maule, but I havent got a clue yet how I will mountit.>>>I>>>>am leaning towards the scout type "v" with the compression coil spring,>>but>>>>a leaf spring might end up being lighter so the way to go.>>>>>>>>I'd like to keep as many options as possible open, and its a lot easierto>>>>install now than try and do it later, but I am gonna KICK myself if Iend>>>up>>>>carrying around a pound of unneeded oak or ash at the extreme tail.>>>>>>>>Ideas?>>>>>>>>Mike>>>>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.>>>>The more money you throw at them,>>>>the faster they fly.>>>>>>>>IHA 110>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:36:40 -0600

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Original Posted By: John Duprey
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>Mike,>I'm building mine to the plans. Including the original tail assy( only>adding a swivveling wheel where the skid was).>Once again, old Bernard was smart. The tail skid assy that he designed,>"pulls" from the longerons at the pivot point, and the up thrust of theskid>is put directly up the tail post. But other planes, like my first project>( Fisher 404) the tail wheel is out on a leaf spring, which is secured to a>"V" block. The forces on this are in a way that wants to tear the "V"block>from the tail because of the wheel way out past the tail post. There isalot>of leverage there.>I would say that if you are putting a leaf spring and cantalevered tail>wheel, put in the wedge, if making to Bernards plans, leave it alone.>walt>-----Original Message----->From: Mike Lund >To: piet aircamper ; piet>; 5k >Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:33 PM>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>>Hi Guys>>>>In all of the different wooden airplanes I studied, about 1/2- 2/3 used a>>hardwood wedge between the longerons to support tailwheel loads. The rest>>just took the load with the trussing and tailpost.>>>>What is everybody doing for thiers ?? (mine is not a true Piet, just using>>the F/G manual plans--Air Camper and Scout-- as a guideline for some of my>>own ideas....It'll look like a piet though .>>>>My wheel will be a maule, but I havent got a clue yet how I will mount it.>I>>am leaning towards the scout type "v" with the compression coil spring,but>>a leaf spring might end up being lighter so the way to go.>>>>I'd like to keep as many options as possible open, and its a lot easier to>>install now than try and do it later, but I am gonna KICK myself if I end>up>>carrying around a pound of unneeded oak or ash at the extreme tail.>>>>Ideas?>>>>Mike>>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.>>The more money you throw at them,>>the faster they fly.>>>>IHA 110>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:07:33 -0500

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Original Posted By: Carl Loar
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>Mike,>I'm building mine to the plans. Including the original tail assy( only>adding a swivveling wheel where the skid was).>Once again, old Bernard was smart. The tail skid assy that he designed,>"pulls" from the longerons at the pivot point, and the up thrust of theskid>is put directly up the tail post. But other planes, like my first project>( Fisher 404) the tail wheel is out on a leaf spring, which is secured to a>"V" block. The forces on this are in a way that wants to tear the "V"block>from the tail because of the wheel way out past the tail post. There isalot>of leverage there.>I would say that if you are putting a leaf spring and cantalevered tail>wheel, put in the wedge, if making to Bernards plans, leave it alone.>walt>-----Original Message----->From: Mike Lund >To: piet aircamper ; piet>; 5k >Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:33 PM>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>>Hi Guys>>>>In all of the different wooden airplanes I studied, about 1/2- 2/3 used a>>hardwood wedge between the longerons to support tailwheel loads. The rest>>just took the load with the trussing and tailpost.>>>>What is everybody doing for thiers ?? (mine is not a true Piet, just using>>the F/G manual plans--Air Camper and Scout-- as a guideline for some of my>>own ideas....It'll look like a piet though .>>>>My wheel will be a maule, but I havent got a clue yet how I will mount it.>I>>am leaning towards the scout type "v" with the compression coil spring,but>>a leaf spring might end up being lighter so the way to go.>>>>I'd like to keep as many options as possible open, and its a lot easier to>>install now than try and do it later, but I am gonna KICK myself if I end>up>>carrying around a pound of unneeded oak or ash at the extreme tail.>>>>Ideas?>>>>Mike>>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.>>The more money you throw at them,>>the faster they fly.>>>>IHA 110>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:53:28 -0500

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Original Posted By:>> Alan Swanson
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>Doug:>Please give me the part number.>>Thanks>Steve>>>>> I will give you the John Deere part number if you like for the>> spring.>> Doug Hunt>> -----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: "Mike Lund"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>I will give you the John Deere part number if you like for the spring.>Doug Hunt>-----Original Message----->From: Alan Swanson >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:12 PM>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>>>Mike- If you are looking for a coil spring, I bought mine at a motorcycle>>salvage yard. It was from the front shock strut. It was about 24 inches>>long, so I just cut it short, for a spare. Cost me $10.00.>>>>Al Swanson>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Walt.>>>>>>I am getting a lot of my non-critical hardware / steel parts the same way>>>BHP did---The local tractor supply . I'll just have to see what they>have>>>for coils and leafs, then make up my mind.>>>>>>Mike>>>-----Original Message----->>>From: walter evans >>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ; piet>>>; 5k >>>Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:20 PM>>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mike,>>>>I'm building mine to the plans. Including the original tail assy( only>>>>adding a swivveling wheel where the skid was).>>>>Once again, old Bernard was smart. The tail skid assy that hedesigned,>>>>"pulls" from the longerons at the pivot point, and the up thrust of the>>>skid>>>>is put directly up the tail post. But other planes, like my first>project>>>>( Fisher 404) the tail wheel is out on a leaf spring, which is securedto>a>>>>"V" block. The forces on this are in a way that wants to tear the "V">>>block>>>>from the tail because of the wheel way out past the tail post. There is>>>alot>>>>of leverage there.>>>>I would say that if you are putting a leaf spring and cantalevered>tail>>>>wheel, put in the wedge, if making to Bernards plans, leave it alone.>>>>walt>>>>-----Original Message----->>>>From: Mike Lund >>>>To: piet aircamper ; piet>>>>; 5k >>>>Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:33 PM>>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Guys>>>>>>>>>>In all of the different wooden airplanes I studied, about 1/2- 2/3 used>a>>>>>hardwood wedge between the longerons to support tailwheel loads. The>rest>>>>>just took the load with the trussing and tailpost.>>>>>>>>>>What is everybody doing for thiers ?? (mine is not a true Piet, just>using>>>>>the F/G manual plans--Air Camper and Scout-- as a guideline for some of>my>>>>>own ideas....It'll look like a piet though .>>>>>>>>>>My wheel will be a maule, but I havent got a clue yet how I will mount>it.>>>>I>>>>>am leaning towards the scout type "v" with the compression coil spring,>>>but>>>>>a leaf spring might end up being lighter so the way to go.>>>>>>>>>>I'd like to keep as many options as possible open, and its a lot easier>to>>>>>install now than try and do it later, but I am gonna KICK myself if I>end>>>>up>>>>>carrying around a pound of unneeded oak or ash at the extreme tail.>>>>>>>>>>Ideas?>>>>>>>>>>Mike>>>>>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.>>>>>The more money you throw at them,>>>>>the faster they fly.>>>>>>>>>>IHA 110>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: "Conoly"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>Thanks Doug, I'd appreciate it.---Ya dont happen to know the compresson>value on it?...>>This thing will have a tail weight of around 150-170# at gross, so a bit>beefier spring than the normal scout is called for.>>Mike>-----Original Message----->From: Doug >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 8:45 PM>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>>I will give you the John Deere part number if you like for the spring.>>Doug Hunt>>-----Original Message----->>From: Alan Swanson >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:12 PM>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>>>>>>>>Mike- If you are looking for a coil spring, I bought mine at a motorcycle>>>salvage yard. It was from the front shock strut. It was about 24 inches>>>long, so I just cut it short, for a spare. Cost me $10.00.>>>>>>Al Swanson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Walt.>>>>>>>>I am getting a lot of my non-critical hardware / steel parts the sameway>>>>BHP did---The local tractor supply . I'll just have to see what they>>have>>>>for coils and leafs, then make up my mind.>>>>>>>>Mike>>>>-----Original Message----->>>>From: walter evans >>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ; piet>>>>; 5k >>>>Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:20 PM>>>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mike,>>>>>I'm building mine to the plans. Including the original tail assy( only>>>>>adding a swivveling wheel where the skid was).>>>>>Once again, old Bernard was smart. The tail skid assy that he>designed,>>>>>"pulls" from the longerons at the pivot point, and the up thrust of the>>>>skid>>>>>is put directly up the tail post. But other planes, like my first>>project>>>>>( Fisher 404) the tail wheel is out on a leaf spring, which is secured>to>>a>>>>>"V" block. The forces on this are in a way that wants to tear the "V">>>>block>>>>>from the tail because of the wheel way out past the tail post. There is>>>>alot>>>>>of leverage there.>>>>>I would say that if you are putting a leaf spring and cantalevered>>tail>>>>>wheel, put in the wedge, if making to Bernards plans, leave it alone.>>>>>walt>>>>>-----Original Message----->>>>>From: Mike Lund >>>>>To: piet aircamper ; piet>>>>>; 5k >>>>>Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:33 PM>>>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Guys>>>>>>>>>>>>In all of the different wooden airplanes I studied, about 1/2- 2/3used>>a>>>>>>hardwood wedge between the longerons to support tailwheel loads. The>>rest>>>>>>just took the load with the trussing and tailpost.>>>>>>>>>>>>What is everybody doing for thiers ?? (mine is not a true Piet, just>>using>>>>>>the F/G manual plans--Air Camper and Scout-- as a guideline for someof>>my>>>>>>own ideas....It'll look like a piet though .>>>>>>>>>>>>My wheel will be a maule, but I havent got a clue yet how I will mount>>it.>>>>>I>>>>>>am leaning towards the scout type "v" with the compression coilspring,>>>>but>>>>>>a leaf spring might end up being lighter so the way to go.>>>>>>>>>>>>I'd like to keep as many options as possible open, and its a loteasier>>to>>>>>>install now than try and do it later, but I am gonna KICK myself if I>>end>>>>>up>>>>>>carrying around a pound of unneeded oak or ash at the extreme tail.>>>>>>>>>>>>Ideas?>>>>>>>>>>>>Mike>>>>>>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.>>>>>>The more money you throw at them,>>>>>>the faster they fly.>>>>>>>>>>>>IHA 110>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Hi GuysIn all of the different wooden airplanes I studied, about 1/2- 2/3 used ahardwood wedge between the longerons to support tailwheel loads. The restjust took the load with the trussing and tailpost.What is everybody doing for thiers ?? (mine is not a true Piet, just usingthe F/G manual plans--Air Camper and Scout-- as a guideline for some of myown ideas....It'll look like a piet though .My wheel will be a maule, but I havent got a clue yet how I will mount it. Iam leaning towards the scout type "v" with the compression coil spring, buta leaf spring might end up being lighter so the way to go.I'd like to keep as many options as possible open, and its a lot easier toinstall now than try and do it later, but I am gonna KICK myself if I end upcarrying around a pound of unneeded oak or ash at the extreme tail.Ideas?MikeAirplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.The more money you throw at them,the faster they fly.IHA 110________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Mike Lund
Mike,I'm building mine to the plans. Including the original tail assy( onlyadding a swivveling wheel where the skid was).Once again, old Bernard was smart. The tail skid assy that he designed,"pulls" from the longerons at the pivot point, and the up thrust of the skidis put directly up the tail post. But other planes, like my first project( Fisher 404) the tail wheel is out on a leaf spring, which is secured to a"V" block. The forces on this are in a way that wants to tear the "V" blockfrom the tail because of the wheel way out past the tail post. There is alotof leverage there.I would say that if you are putting a leaf spring and cantalevered tailwheel, put in the wedge, if making to Bernards plans, leave it alone.walt-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: walter evans
Thanks Walt.I am getting a lot of my non-critical hardware / steel parts the same wayBHP did---The local tractor supply . I'll just have to see what they havefor coils and leafs, then make up my mind.Mike-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: Alan Swanson
I will give you the John Deere part number if you like for the spring.Doug Hunt-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By:> Alan Swanson
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel BlockingDoug:Please give me the part number.ThanksSteve> > I will give you the John Deere part number if you like for the > spring.> Doug Hunt> -----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: Doug
Thanks Doug, I'd appreciate it.---Ya dont happen to know the compressonvalue on it?...This thing will have a tail weight of around 150-170# at gross, so a bitbeefier spring than the normal scout is called for.Mike-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: Mike Lund
oooooops--That shoulda been 115-130#....Thats what happens when doing the checkbook and the e-mail at the same time.;-)Mike-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: walter evans
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Original Posted By: vistin(at)juno.com
Here is the John Deere # T143444.Was $13.80 Canadian in 1997.Sorry,i don'thave the spring tech data Mike. Doug Hunt-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: del magsam
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel BlockingMike, We just followed the plans on our Piet. We made a tailwheel assemblyfrom plans we bought from the guy in New Hampshire and it seems to workwell. The Piet is an extremely well built airplane, built like a tank,and further beefing up of the structure is not required.John LangstonPipe Creek, TXnle97(at)juno.com________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 04:29:30 -0800 (PST)

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Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>Mike,> We just followed the plans on our Piet. We made a tailwheelassembly>from plans we bought from the guy in New Hampshire and it seems to work>well. The Piet is an extremely well built airplane, built like a tank,>and further beefing up of the structure is not required.>>John Langston>Pipe Creek, TX>nle97(at)juno.com>>________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
Hi JohnThis plane is not really a Piet. Best description would be a stretched scoutusin tecniques from a half dozen different wood planes.The why is this time I wanted to do something entirely my own, with justsome proven ideas and techniques to back up my own ideas.I am "borrowing" heavily from the original piet designs, but it is no more apiet than a gn-1.Mike-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: "Mike Lund"
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>>>Mike,>>I'm building mine to the plans. Including the original tail assy( only>>adding a swivveling wheel where the skid was).>>Once again, old Bernard was smart. The tail skid assy that he designed,>>"pulls" from the longerons at the pivot point, and the up thrust of the>skid>>is put directly up the tail post. But other planes, like my first project>>( Fisher 404) the tail wheel is out on a leaf spring, which is secured to a>>"V" block. The forces on this are in a way that wants to tear the "V">block>>from the tail because of the wheel way out past the tail post. There is>alot>>of leverage there.>>I would say that if you are putting a leaf spring and cantalevered tail>>wheel, put in the wedge, if making to Bernards plans, leave it alone.>>walt>>-----Original Message----->>From: Mike Lund >>To: piet aircamper ; piet>>; 5k >>Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:33 PM>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>>>>>>Hi Guys>>>>>>In all of the different wooden airplanes I studied, about 1/2- 2/3 used a>>>hardwood wedge between the longerons to support tailwheel loads. The rest>>>just took the load with the trussing and tailpost.>>>>>>What is everybody doing for thiers ?? (mine is not a true Piet, just using>>>the F/G manual plans--Air Camper and Scout-- as a guideline for some of my>>>own ideas....It'll look like a piet though .>>>>>>My wheel will be a maule, but I havent got a clue yet how I will mount it.>>I>>>am leaning towards the scout type "v" with the compression coil spring,>but>>>a leaf spring might end up being lighter so the way to go.>>>>>>I'd like to keep as many options as possible open, and its a lot easier to>>>install now than try and do it later, but I am gonna KICK myself if I end>>up>>>carrying around a pound of unneeded oak or ash at the extreme tail.>>>>>>Ideas?>>>>>>Mike>>>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.>>>The more money you throw at them,>>>the faster they fly.>>>>>>IHA 110>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: "Mike Lund"
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking> > > > >> >Mike- If you are looking for a coil spring, I bought mine at a > motorcycle> >salvage yard. It was from the front shock strut. It was about 24 > inches> >long, so I just cut it short, for a spare. Cost me $10.00.> >> >Al Swanson> >> >> > >>> >>Thanks Walt.> >>> >>I am getting a lot of my non-critical hardware / steel parts the > same way> >>BHP did---The local tractor supply . I'll just have to see what > they> have> >>for coils and leafs, then make up my mind.> >>> >>Mike> >>-----Original Message-----> >>From: walter evans > >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ; > piet> >>; 5k > >>Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:20 PM> >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>Mike,> >>>I'm building mine to the plans. Including the original tail > assy( only> >>>adding a swivveling wheel where the skid was).> >>>Once again, old Bernard was smart. The tail skid assy that he > designed,> >>>"pulls" from the longerons at the pivot point, and the up thrust > of the> >>skid> >>>is put directly up the tail post. But other planes, like my > first> project> >>>( Fisher 404) the tail wheel is out on a leaf spring, which is > secured to> a> >>>"V" block. The forces on this are in a way that wants to tear > the "V"> >>block> >>>from the tail because of the wheel way out past the tail post. > There is> >>alot> >>>of leverage there.> >>>I would say that if you are putting a leaf spring and > cantalevered> tail> >>>wheel, put in the wedge, if making to Bernards plans, leave it > alone.> >>>walt> >>>-----Original Message-----> >>>From: Mike Lund > >>>To: piet aircamper ; piet> >>>; 5k > >>>Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:33 PM> >>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking> >>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>Hi Guys> >>>>> >>>>In all of the different wooden airplanes I studied, about 1/2- > 2/3 used> a> >>>>hardwood wedge between the longerons to support tailwheel loads. > The> rest> >>>>just took the load with the trussing and tailpost.> >>>>> >>>>What is everybody doing for thiers ?? (mine is not a true Piet, > just> using> >>>>the F/G manual plans--Air Camper and Scout-- as a guideline for > some of> my> >>>>own ideas....It'll look like a piet though .> >>>>> >>>>My wheel will be a maule, but I havent got a clue yet how I will > mount> it.> >>>I> >>>>am leaning towards the scout type "v" with the compression coil > spring,> >>but> >>>>a leaf spring might end up being lighter so the way to go.> >>>>> >>>>I'd like to keep as many options as possible open, and its a lot > easier> to> >>>>install now than try and do it later, but I am gonna KICK myself > if I> end> >>>up> >>>>carrying around a pound of unneeded oak or ash at the extreme > tail.> >>>>> >>>>Ideas?> >>>>> >>>>Mike> >>>>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.> >>>>The more money you throw at them,> >>>>the faster they fly.> >>>>> >>>>IHA 110> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > Steve W GN-1 builderIHA #6________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Carl Loar
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>>>>>> >> >>> >Mike- If you are looking for a coil spring, I bought mine at a>> motorcycle>> >salvage yard. It was from the front shock strut. It was about 24>> inches>> >long, so I just cut it short, for a spare. Cost me $10.00.>> >>> >Al Swanson>> >>> >>> >> >>>> >>Thanks Walt.>> >>>> >>I am getting a lot of my non-critical hardware / steel parts the>> same way>> >>BHP did---The local tractor supply . I'll just have to see what>> they>> have>> >>for coils and leafs, then make up my mind.>> >>>> >>Mike>> >>-----Original Message----->> >>From: walter evans >> >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ;>> piet>> >>; 5k >> >>Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:20 PM>> >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>Mike,>> >>>I'm building mine to the plans. Including the original tail>> assy( only>> >>>adding a swivveling wheel where the skid was).>> >>>Once again, old Bernard was smart. The tail skid assy that he>> designed,>> >>>"pulls" from the longerons at the pivot point, and the up thrust>> of the>> >>skid>> >>>is put directly up the tail post. But other planes, like my>> first>> project>> >>>( Fisher 404) the tail wheel is out on a leaf spring, which is>> secured to>> a>> >>>"V" block. The forces on this are in a way that wants to tear>> the "V">> >>block>> >>>from the tail because of the wheel way out past the tail post.>> There is>> >>alot>> >>>of leverage there.>> >>>I would say that if you are putting a leaf spring and>> cantalevered>> tail>> >>>wheel, put in the wedge, if making to Bernards plans, leave it>> alone.>> >>>walt>> >>>-----Original Message----->> >>>From: Mike Lund >> >>>To: piet aircamper ; piet>> >>>; 5k >> >>>Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:33 PM>> >>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Blocking>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>Hi Guys>> >>>>>> >>>>In all of the different wooden airplanes I studied, about 1/2->> 2/3 used>> a>> >>>>hardwood wedge between the longerons to support tailwheel loads.>> The>> rest>> >>>>just took the load with the trussing and tailpost.>> >>>>>> >>>>What is everybody doing for thiers ?? (mine is not a true Piet,>> just>> using>> >>>>the F/G manual plans--Air Camper and Scout-- as a guideline for>> some of>> my>> >>>>own ideas....It'll look like a piet though .>> >>>>>> >>>>My wheel will be a maule, but I havent got a clue yet how I will>> mount>> it.>> >>>I>> >>>>am leaning towards the scout type "v" with the compression coil>> spring,>> >>but>> >>>>a leaf spring might end up being lighter so the way to go.>> >>>>>> >>>>I'd like to keep as many options as possible open, and its a lot>> easier>> to>> >>>>install now than try and do it later, but I am gonna KICK myself>> if I>> end>> >>>up>> >>>>carrying around a pound of unneeded oak or ash at the extreme>> tail.>> >>>>>> >>>>Ideas?>> >>>>>> >>>>Mike>> >>>>Airplanes dont fly on gas, they fly on money.>> >>>>The more money you throw at them,>> >>>>the faster they fly.>> >>>>>> >>>>IHA 110>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Steve W GN-1 builder>IHA #6>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:50:18 -0500