Original Posted By: "Davis, Marc"
It was time to make the firewall, so my AP friend loaned me his metalshrinker for the curved overlap on top. I didn't know how much to overlap,so I went with 3/4". Guess it can be cut down later , if necessary.This thing is quite a gadget, and takes some time to get used to. Man, whothinks of these things?walt-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/________ ... __________
Pietenpol-List: metal shrinker
Re: Pietenpol-List: metal shrinker
Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Walt, I guess you are talking about the long version with a flatfirewall/Continental. What guage steel did you use? Did you cut out aroundthe motor mount brackets or build the brackets on top of the firewall? I'mat that point on my Grega and I am thinking about this too.Another question for you and the group...Also, I'm ready to build my aluminum coamings (sp)?? What size and typealuminum sheet is appropriate. I almost built them out of 1/16 plywood butit seems most folks use aluminum. Not sure it matters, because myinstrument panel comes out easily for access to the inner sanctum of thepanel.. Also, do you just get small brass screws to attach them (thecoamings) to the filler strips along the longerons? What about primer - doyou just use zinc chromate???So many questions and so little time (....to work on the "Air Anvil")Thanks, Bert(Who got to fly Poplar Piet again over the weekend - Life Sure Is Good!)http://members.surfsouth.com/~conolys/index.htm----- Original Message -----
Walt, I guess you are talking about the long version with a flatfirewall/Continental. What guage steel did you use? Did you cut out aroundthe motor mount brackets or build the brackets on top of the firewall? I'mat that point on my Grega and I am thinking about this too.Another question for you and the group...Also, I'm ready to build my aluminum coamings (sp)?? What size and typealuminum sheet is appropriate. I almost built them out of 1/16 plywood butit seems most folks use aluminum. Not sure it matters, because myinstrument panel comes out easily for access to the inner sanctum of thepanel.. Also, do you just get small brass screws to attach them (thecoamings) to the filler strips along the longerons? What about primer - doyou just use zinc chromate???So many questions and so little time (....to work on the "Air Anvil")Thanks, Bert(Who got to fly Poplar Piet again over the weekend - Life Sure Is Good!)http://members.surfsouth.com/~conolys/index.htm----- Original Message -----
> Pietenpol-List: metal shrinker
Original Posted By: "Warren D. Shoun"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: metal shrinker>>Walt, I guess you are talking about the long version with a flat>firewall/Continental. What guage steel did you use? Did you cut outaround>the motor mount brackets or build the brackets on top of the firewall? I'm>at that point on my Grega and I am thinking about this too.>>Another question for you and the group...>>Also, I'm ready to build my aluminum coamings (sp)?? What size and type>aluminum sheet is appropriate. I almost built them out of 1/16 plywood but>it seems most folks use aluminum. Not sure it matters, because my>instrument panel comes out easily for access to the inner sanctum of the>panel.. Also, do you just get small brass screws to attach them (the>coamings) to the filler strips along the longerons? What about primer - do>you just use zinc chromate???>>So many questions and so little time (....to work on the "Air Anvil")>>Thanks, Bert>(Who got to fly Poplar Piet again over the weekend - Life Sure Is Good!)>>http://members.surfsouth.com/~conolys/index.htm>>>----- Original Message ----->From: "walter evans" >To: "piet discussion" >Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 5:32 PM>Subject: Pietenpol-List: metal shrinker>>>>>>> It was time to make the firewall, so my AP friend loaned me his metal>> shrinker for the curved overlap on top. I didn't know how much to>overlap,>> so I went with 3/4". Guess it can be cut down later , if necessary.>> This thing is quite a gadget, and takes some time to get used to. Man,>who>> thinks of these things?>> walt>> ----------------------------------------------------->> Click here for Free Video!!>> http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/>>>>>>__ ... ______Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:04:07 -0700
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: metal shrinker>>Walt, I guess you are talking about the long version with a flat>firewall/Continental. What guage steel did you use? Did you cut outaround>the motor mount brackets or build the brackets on top of the firewall? I'm>at that point on my Grega and I am thinking about this too.>>Another question for you and the group...>>Also, I'm ready to build my aluminum coamings (sp)?? What size and type>aluminum sheet is appropriate. I almost built them out of 1/16 plywood but>it seems most folks use aluminum. Not sure it matters, because my>instrument panel comes out easily for access to the inner sanctum of the>panel.. Also, do you just get small brass screws to attach them (the>coamings) to the filler strips along the longerons? What about primer - do>you just use zinc chromate???>>So many questions and so little time (....to work on the "Air Anvil")>>Thanks, Bert>(Who got to fly Poplar Piet again over the weekend - Life Sure Is Good!)>>http://members.surfsouth.com/~conolys/index.htm>>>----- Original Message ----->From: "walter evans" >To: "piet discussion" >Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 5:32 PM>Subject: Pietenpol-List: metal shrinker>>>>>>> It was time to make the firewall, so my AP friend loaned me his metal>> shrinker for the curved overlap on top. I didn't know how much to>overlap,>> so I went with 3/4". Guess it can be cut down later , if necessary.>> This thing is quite a gadget, and takes some time to get used to. Man,>who>> thinks of these things?>> walt>> ----------------------------------------------------->> Click here for Free Video!!>> http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/>>>>>>__ ... ______Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:04:07 -0700
Pietenpol-List: metal shrinker
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Re: Pietenpol-List: metal shrinker
Original Posted By: Conoly
Bert,I think the FAA minimum is .018", thats what I used. After looking at allof the catalogs and shipping costs, I went to a local heating andairconditioning supply nearby and got a 4x10x .018" thk. galvanized sheetfor $10.00.rolled it up, and away I want.As far as the engine mount bkts, I slotted the points where the bracketscame through the steel with a Dremmel tool ( I love my Dremmel).walt-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/-----Original Message-----
Bert,I think the FAA minimum is .018", thats what I used. After looking at allof the catalogs and shipping costs, I went to a local heating andairconditioning supply nearby and got a 4x10x .018" thk. galvanized sheetfor $10.00.rolled it up, and away I want.As far as the engine mount bkts, I slotted the points where the bracketscame through the steel with a Dremmel tool ( I love my Dremmel).walt-----------------------------------------------------Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: metal shrinker
Original Posted By: "Conoly"
Hey Guys....I don't know how or why but SOMEHOW the server upchucked this message that Isent way back on MAY 1st????????????????Must be a gremlin or something. Anyway, I didnt want any body to think olebert had one margarita too many and got keyboard happy.Not that anyone cares, but I did finally use .035 aluminum for the cockpitcoamings. I found some aluminum sheet at a building supply storeinTallahassee. Got the whole 4by 8 sheet for 35.00. A real savings over thealuminum I would have ordered. Saved on shipping and got it in a fulldimension (4x8). Worked great, easy to cut with a jigsaw, and in thatdimension was able to cut a continuous piece so that there is no seam on thecenterline (as would have been tha case if I used 2x4 sheets UPS'ed in.)The only problem was how to get a good, pretty bend along the edges toconform to the furring strips running along the longerons. Wish I had asheet metal break. I bet somebody in this group knows how to build a breakto bend light gauge al or steel.....Anyway, looks ok and should work just fine - all for 35.00.Will start covering the tail feathers and fuse next weekend.Bert (who wishes he could retire 20 years early and build airplanes)----- Original Message -----
Hey Guys....I don't know how or why but SOMEHOW the server upchucked this message that Isent way back on MAY 1st????????????????Must be a gremlin or something. Anyway, I didnt want any body to think olebert had one margarita too many and got keyboard happy.Not that anyone cares, but I did finally use .035 aluminum for the cockpitcoamings. I found some aluminum sheet at a building supply storeinTallahassee. Got the whole 4by 8 sheet for 35.00. A real savings over thealuminum I would have ordered. Saved on shipping and got it in a fulldimension (4x8). Worked great, easy to cut with a jigsaw, and in thatdimension was able to cut a continuous piece so that there is no seam on thecenterline (as would have been tha case if I used 2x4 sheets UPS'ed in.)The only problem was how to get a good, pretty bend along the edges toconform to the furring strips running along the longerons. Wish I had asheet metal break. I bet somebody in this group knows how to build a breakto bend light gauge al or steel.....Anyway, looks ok and should work just fine - all for 35.00.Will start covering the tail feathers and fuse next weekend.Bert (who wishes he could retire 20 years early and build airplanes)----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: gear/white ash question
Original Posted By: "Gene Rambo"
Richard, I just ran into this!!! For the spreader bar ("Jenny") type gear,there are no ash cross pieces. The fittings straddle a standard 1" squarecross piece just like everywhere else on the fuselage!!!!! The drawing forthis type of gear is in the Hoopman drawings and in the Flying and GliderManual version of the plans. The other alternative is to alter thefittings to something halfway between the "correct" fitting for thespreader gear and the fittings for the split axle ("improved") gear. Thisis what some of the other guys have done and what I am going to do onlybecause I glued in the ash cross piece before I figured this out.________________________________________________________________________________
Richard, I just ran into this!!! For the spreader bar ("Jenny") type gear,there are no ash cross pieces. The fittings straddle a standard 1" squarecross piece just like everywhere else on the fuselage!!!!! The drawing forthis type of gear is in the Hoopman drawings and in the Flying and GliderManual version of the plans. The other alternative is to alter thefittings to something halfway between the "correct" fitting for thespreader gear and the fittings for the split axle ("improved") gear. Thisis what some of the other guys have done and what I am going to do onlybecause I glued in the ash cross piece before I figured this out.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: metal shrinker
Original Posted By:> Conoly
Ask around . . there are several shops in the TLH area that will let youuse their break to make a couple of bends or would even do it for you forfree.----------
Ask around . . there are several shops in the TLH area that will let youuse their break to make a couple of bends or would even do it for you forfree.----------
Re: Pietenpol-List: metal shrinker
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: metal shrinkerWe plan on using .020 2024T-3 on our comming. Zinc chromate is OK foraluminum and has been the old standby for years, but there are betterproducts out there. Zinc chromate is easily scratched in handling whereasthese new epoxy primers stand up better. We're going to use an epoxyprimer when we get that far, soon, I hope.John LangstonPipe Creek, TXnle97(at)juno.com________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: metal shrinkerWe plan on using .020 2024T-3 on our comming. Zinc chromate is OK foraluminum and has been the old standby for years, but there are betterproducts out there. Zinc chromate is easily scratched in handling whereasthese new epoxy primers stand up better. We're going to use an epoxyprimer when we get that far, soon, I hope.John LangstonPipe Creek, TXnle97(at)juno.com________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Pietenpol-List: metal shrinker
Original Posted By:> "Conoly"
> > > Hey Guys....> > I don't know how or why but SOMEHOW the server upchucked this messagethat I> sent way back on MAY 1st????????????????> > Must be a gremlin or something. Anyway, I didnt want any body to thinkole> bert had one margarita too many and got keyboard happy.> > Not that anyone cares, but I did finally use .035 aluminum for thecockpit> coamings. I found some aluminum sheet at a building supply storein> Tallahassee. Got the whole 4by 8 sheet for 35.00. A real savings overthe> aluminum I would have ordered. Saved on shipping and got it in a full> dimension (4x8). Worked great, easy to cut with a jigsaw, and in that> dimension was able to cut a continuous piece so that there is no seam onthe> centerline (as would have been tha case if I used 2x4 sheets UPS'ed in.)> > The only problem was how to get a good, pretty bend along the edges to> conform to the furring strips running along the longerons. Wish I had a> sheet metal break. I bet somebody in this group knows how to build abreak> to bend light gauge al or steel.....> > Anyway, looks ok and should work just fine - all for 35.00.> > Will start covering the tail feathers and fuse next weekend.> > Bert (who wishes he could retire 20 years early and build airplanes)> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Hey Guys....> > I don't know how or why but SOMEHOW the server upchucked this messagethat I> sent way back on MAY 1st????????????????> > Must be a gremlin or something. Anyway, I didnt want any body to thinkole> bert had one margarita too many and got keyboard happy.> > Not that anyone cares, but I did finally use .035 aluminum for thecockpit> coamings. I found some aluminum sheet at a building supply storein> Tallahassee. Got the whole 4by 8 sheet for 35.00. A real savings overthe> aluminum I would have ordered. Saved on shipping and got it in a full> dimension (4x8). Worked great, easy to cut with a jigsaw, and in that> dimension was able to cut a continuous piece so that there is no seam onthe> centerline (as would have been tha case if I used 2x4 sheets UPS'ed in.)> > The only problem was how to get a good, pretty bend along the edges to> conform to the furring strips running along the longerons. Wish I had a> sheet metal break. I bet somebody in this group knows how to build abreak> to bend light gauge al or steel.....> > Anyway, looks ok and should work just fine - all for 35.00.> > Will start covering the tail feathers and fuse next weekend.> > Bert (who wishes he could retire 20 years early and build airplanes)> > > ----- Original Message -----