Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
Can someone tell me what the most common type of construction is usedfor Piet rudder, elevator and aileron horns. I can't say I like the horn construction in the plans. Edge welding .031" steel without burning it up seems almost impossible ( I haven't tried it yet ) and also The attachment flanges seem awful thin. I've seen some cut out of flat stock but it seems they wouldn't haveenough side to side strength, maybe I'm wrong there but if someone couldlet me know what is the most popular way of making them I'd appreciate it. Thanx Ed G. Palm Harbor Fl. Piet in progress________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:01:36 -0600
Pietenpol-List: Control horn construction
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Original Posted By: "William C. Beerman"
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Original Posted By: "Mac Zirges"
I used .065 on my GN-1 and it seems plenty stout.Dick G.Ft. Myers________________________________________________________________________________
I used .065 on my GN-1 and it seems plenty stout.Dick G.Ft. Myers________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horn construction
Original Posted By: ED GRENTZER
Ed, I welded mine up using gas and a #00 tip. Practiced a bit onsome scrap, and had no problem doing the weld. I welded up somescrap and gave it the bend test, 360 degree, with no failurte.Finally cracked about 3/4 inch from the weld. Weld =did not fail,and looked good when cut and polished. Great video available fromthe EAA, that walks you througfh what to watch for, and how tocontrol the puddle. Lots of practice and testing, then a piece ofcake!----- Original Message -----
Ed, I welded mine up using gas and a #00 tip. Practiced a bit onsome scrap, and had no problem doing the weld. I welded up somescrap and gave it the bend test, 360 degree, with no failurte.Finally cracked about 3/4 inch from the weld. Weld =did not fail,and looked good when cut and polished. Great video available fromthe EAA, that walks you througfh what to watch for, and how tocontrol the puddle. Lots of practice and testing, then a piece ofcake!----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horn construction
Original Posted By:> ED GRENTZER
I worried a long time before trying to build one and found out they gotogether very easy. Turned out the hardest part was cutting them out. Youmay want to wait until you are ready to rig elevator cables before buildingthe elevator horns or at least plan them with an angle in to match how thecables will go. I also welded in a U shaped insert to beef up the flangesand seal off the interior of the horns. The .032 gives a very strong horn. Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg ----------
I worried a long time before trying to build one and found out they gotogether very easy. Turned out the hardest part was cutting them out. Youmay want to wait until you are ready to rig elevator cables before buildingthe elevator horns or at least plan them with an angle in to match how thecables will go. I also welded in a U shaped insert to beef up the flangesand seal off the interior of the horns. The .032 gives a very strong horn. Wayne Sippola, Winnipeg ----------
Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horn construction
Original Posted By: Flite407(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horn constructionEdI've thought about this for awhile and would like to say that I've done everything myself however I've come to the conclusion some things I just want to buy and be done with it. Go to this web site they sell all kinds of parts for Piets, they also have a catalog which I just got the other day very nice.http://www.replicraftaviation.com/piet%201.htmGaryNew Orleans________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horn constructionEdI've thought about this for awhile and would like to say that I've done everything myself however I've come to the conclusion some things I just want to buy and be done with it. Go to this web site they sell all kinds of parts for Piets, they also have a catalog which I just got the other day very nice.http://www.replicraftaviation.com/piet%201.htmGaryNew Orleans________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horn construction
Original Posted By: DonanClara(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horn constructionEd, I made the elevator and rudder horns per theplans already and plan tomake the aileron horns when the time comes -- later this summer. Theyare not easy to make. The hardest part is bending the steel to fit. Iuse a ball peen hammer and just bent against my shop vise at the backside. I had made a couple of forms to hammer against, but neither workedat all. Using the vise wasn't really too difficult and I was able topound them out in a couple work sessions. Welding wasn't difficult atall, but I'm used to welding thin steel. The two elevator horns don'thave the same spread out width, but I don't think we'll have anyproblems. Others who have seen them seem to feel they'll be OK. One change we are going to make, and haven't yet, is we are going tobraze small bushings into the bolt holes to minimize wear on the bolt andto prevent hole elongation. This will just give more surface area forthe cable attach bolt to ride on rather than the knife edge of the thinsteel. If I remember correctly, we used thinner steel too, like .025 orsomething like that. It's been awhile. so I don't really remember whatthickness we used. At the time I did send a message to the BPN with thesizes we used throughout the project and it was printed.John LangstonPipe Creek, TXnle97(at)juno.comBuilding the wing now ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horn constructionEd, I made the elevator and rudder horns per theplans already and plan tomake the aileron horns when the time comes -- later this summer. Theyare not easy to make. The hardest part is bending the steel to fit. Iuse a ball peen hammer and just bent against my shop vise at the backside. I had made a couple of forms to hammer against, but neither workedat all. Using the vise wasn't really too difficult and I was able topound them out in a couple work sessions. Welding wasn't difficult atall, but I'm used to welding thin steel. The two elevator horns don'thave the same spread out width, but I don't think we'll have anyproblems. Others who have seen them seem to feel they'll be OK. One change we are going to make, and haven't yet, is we are going tobraze small bushings into the bolt holes to minimize wear on the bolt andto prevent hole elongation. This will just give more surface area forthe cable attach bolt to ride on rather than the knife edge of the thinsteel. If I remember correctly, we used thinner steel too, like .025 orsomething like that. It's been awhile. so I don't really remember whatthickness we used. At the time I did send a message to the BPN with thesizes we used throughout the project and it was printed.John LangstonPipe Creek, TXnle97(at)juno.comBuilding the wing now ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horn construction
Original Posted By: DonanClara(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horn constructionIn a message dated 06/30/2000 3:11:06 PM Central Daylight Time, nle97(at)juno.com writes:>Ed...Give it a try..it's not really that hard..got a chuckle out of John's posting 'cause I did exactly the same. The hardwood forms didn't work worth a hoot and I ended up pounding them out on the ball-like part of my 5-inch bench vise (the part that the handle goes through) A welder friend had no trouble edge welding the thin stuff. I just wish I had thought ofJohn's idea about adding the bushing. They're covered now and I don't want to go back and re-do them Don Hicks________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horn constructionIn a message dated 06/30/2000 3:11:06 PM Central Daylight Time, nle97(at)juno.com writes:>Ed...Give it a try..it's not really that hard..got a chuckle out of John's posting 'cause I did exactly the same. The hardwood forms didn't work worth a hoot and I ended up pounding them out on the ball-like part of my 5-inch bench vise (the part that the handle goes through) A welder friend had no trouble edge welding the thin stuff. I just wish I had thought ofJohn's idea about adding the bushing. They're covered now and I don't want to go back and re-do them Don Hicks________________________________________________________________________________
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John -Good to see a message from you - how's the project? I'm making slow butsteady on the El Camino. Have a great 4th -Clay----- Original Message -----
John -Good to see a message from you - how's the project? I'm making slow butsteady on the El Camino. Have a great 4th -Clay----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Folding Wings for Pietenpols
Original Posted By: Chris A Tracy
Does anyone have any info on a folding wing for a three-piece wing on aPiet?Dick in Ft. Myers________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:27:11 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Folding Wings for Pietenpols
Does anyone have any info on a folding wing for a three-piece wing on aPiet?Dick in Ft. Myers________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:27:11 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Folding Wings for Pietenpols
> Pietenpol-List: Control horn construction
Original Posted By: "Wayne Sippola"
> > > > Can someone tell me what the most common type of construction is used> for Piet rudder, elevator and aileron horns. I can't say I like the horn > construction in the plans. Edge welding .031" steel without burning it up> seems almost impossible ( I haven't tried it yet ) and also Theattachment > flanges seem awful thin.> I've seen some cut out of flat stock but it seems they wouldn't have> enough side to side strength, maybe I'm wrong there but if someone could> let me know what is the most popular way of making them I'd appreciateit.> Thanx> Ed G. Palm Harbor Fl.> Piet in progress> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
> > > > Can someone tell me what the most common type of construction is used> for Piet rudder, elevator and aileron horns. I can't say I like the horn > construction in the plans. Edge welding .031" steel without burning it up> seems almost impossible ( I haven't tried it yet ) and also Theattachment > flanges seem awful thin.> I've seen some cut out of flat stock but it seems they wouldn't have> enough side to side strength, maybe I'm wrong there but if someone could> let me know what is the most popular way of making them I'd appreciateit.> Thanx> Ed G. Palm Harbor Fl.> Piet in progress> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________