Original Posted By: "Gary Meadows"
Regarding the "must-have" books... Can someone list exactly which books theyare, I will link to them on aircamper.org for future reference... Plus, Ithink I only have one of them, and its going to be a long winter, so I'dlike to have something to read.Cheers,Richard----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Newbie questions/ must-have books
Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie question: Rudder Bar versus Pedals
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
Hi Gary Where is this all coming from. I have never bitched about the plans.I too have put out the efforts to figure out the ways and means of doing things that the plans don't detail. I've used the internet and the manuals and talked to people personally. I've even gone ahead and taken the plunge on my own only to find out later that I had to redo certain parts ( more than a coulple times ). In a personal E-mail to Leon Stefan I did say that after 70 years you would think someone would put a foot note on the plans stating that the control tube won't fit in the plane after the seats are glued in, If thats where this is coming from excuse me!!! I don't get it. Ed G. Palm Harbor Fl.>From: "Gary Meadows" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie question: Rudder Bar versus Pedals>Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:35:38 GMT>>>>Ed,>> There was a heated discussion about a year ago about the details which >the>plans lack, and some areas in which the plans are just downright >incorrrect.>I really struggled with this at first too, but I developed a sort of>philosophy about the Pietenpol that I try to embrace when I find a>discrepancy, or lack of detail. I'll try to relate my feelings to you.>> The Pietenpol was designed 71 or 72 years ago by someone who had no >formal>aviation engineering education, but he did have very strong mechanical>aptitude, and was very bright. In his desire to build a machine for himself>to fly, he developed a single cockpiut airplane and later developed it into>a 2-cockpit bird. He drew out a set of plans he could use, which I don't>think he ever really intending to market. His plans got published in a>flying related magazine for others to build, and so the legend began....>> For me, using these old outdated plans, points up the fact that I>obviously do NOT have the skill with tools, nor the plain old horse sense>that the early aviation pioneers like Bernard Pietenpol had, and that irks>me no end! I know all about computers & geology - the stuff of my trade, >and>I even have a Commercial/Instrument AND an A&P ticket! I STILL don't know>nearly as much as BHP did! BUT I'M LEARNING!!>> What working through these old plans does for me is to allow me to >develop>the same skills and airplane smarts as the old timers had. You can look at>Rutan, and I'm not 100% sure he knows more about what it takes to make a>plane fly than BH Pietenpol did, he just has newer materials to work with>that allow greater flexibility in design.>>So I guess, with the Pietenpol, you have to do the outside bookwork real>hard. You'll want to collect Tony Bingelis' seies of books, the FAA 43-13>and just about every other book you can get your hands on about building >and>maintaining airplanes. That way YOU can figure out what you need to know to>complete your Piet.>> When you're through with all this work, and it IS work and a LOT of it,>you'll have one of the slowest, boxiest homebuilt planes in the world >today.>I also believe that if you make almost all the parts of this plane, then it>will truly be YOUR plane, and you'll know more about working wood, metal >and>fabric than if you built 10 precut, premeasured, step-by-step kits or>designs out there today!>>Building a Piet is not really about building yourself a nice flying>nostaglgic plane. It's about developing YOU and YOUR skills with tools, and>knowledge of aircraft materials, and the ability to stick to a difficult>project for a long time. The payoff is in the end of this total immersion>course in aircraft fabrication, you are an extremely knowledgable aircraft>craftsman! The side benefit? You ALSO end up with a fine classic airplane!>> When you're done, and go to flyins, or just hangar flying, you can talk>about the decisions you made here and there on YOUR Piet, and you'll know>that every single little tiny rib gussett or spruce block in that plane you>cut and and put there youself.>> Ed, embrace the old plans, make the corrections as you find the errors >and>develop your skills. But honestly, and please don't take this as rude or>mean-spirited, but just friendly advice. If you're not wanting to immerse>yourself into studying this particular design, and solving LOTS of little>problems yourself, then maybe this isn't the project for you. There are >tons>of plan sets out there that probably are much better executed, and leave>nothing to doubt, and are much easier to build, cookbook style. But then>they aren't a Pietenpol!>> So far, I've built my ribs, tailfeathers, and I'm about to join-up my>fuselage halves. Sometimes I feel like I'm working in the dark, but I grab >a>book and a cup of coffee, and try to solve whatever little problem that>crops up. Remember, You have a host of knowledgable, helpful, people right>at your keyboard! An answer, or at least an opinion isn't far away!>>Good luck and happy building!>Gary Meadows>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:15:26 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie question: Rudder Bar versus Pedals
Hi Gary Where is this all coming from. I have never bitched about the plans.I too have put out the efforts to figure out the ways and means of doing things that the plans don't detail. I've used the internet and the manuals and talked to people personally. I've even gone ahead and taken the plunge on my own only to find out later that I had to redo certain parts ( more than a coulple times ). In a personal E-mail to Leon Stefan I did say that after 70 years you would think someone would put a foot note on the plans stating that the control tube won't fit in the plane after the seats are glued in, If thats where this is coming from excuse me!!! I don't get it. Ed G. Palm Harbor Fl.>From: "Gary Meadows" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie question: Rudder Bar versus Pedals>Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:35:38 GMT>>>>Ed,>> There was a heated discussion about a year ago about the details which >the>plans lack, and some areas in which the plans are just downright >incorrrect.>I really struggled with this at first too, but I developed a sort of>philosophy about the Pietenpol that I try to embrace when I find a>discrepancy, or lack of detail. I'll try to relate my feelings to you.>> The Pietenpol was designed 71 or 72 years ago by someone who had no >formal>aviation engineering education, but he did have very strong mechanical>aptitude, and was very bright. In his desire to build a machine for himself>to fly, he developed a single cockpiut airplane and later developed it into>a 2-cockpit bird. He drew out a set of plans he could use, which I don't>think he ever really intending to market. His plans got published in a>flying related magazine for others to build, and so the legend began....>> For me, using these old outdated plans, points up the fact that I>obviously do NOT have the skill with tools, nor the plain old horse sense>that the early aviation pioneers like Bernard Pietenpol had, and that irks>me no end! I know all about computers & geology - the stuff of my trade, >and>I even have a Commercial/Instrument AND an A&P ticket! I STILL don't know>nearly as much as BHP did! BUT I'M LEARNING!!>> What working through these old plans does for me is to allow me to >develop>the same skills and airplane smarts as the old timers had. You can look at>Rutan, and I'm not 100% sure he knows more about what it takes to make a>plane fly than BH Pietenpol did, he just has newer materials to work with>that allow greater flexibility in design.>>So I guess, with the Pietenpol, you have to do the outside bookwork real>hard. You'll want to collect Tony Bingelis' seies of books, the FAA 43-13>and just about every other book you can get your hands on about building >and>maintaining airplanes. That way YOU can figure out what you need to know to>complete your Piet.>> When you're through with all this work, and it IS work and a LOT of it,>you'll have one of the slowest, boxiest homebuilt planes in the world >today.>I also believe that if you make almost all the parts of this plane, then it>will truly be YOUR plane, and you'll know more about working wood, metal >and>fabric than if you built 10 precut, premeasured, step-by-step kits or>designs out there today!>>Building a Piet is not really about building yourself a nice flying>nostaglgic plane. It's about developing YOU and YOUR skills with tools, and>knowledge of aircraft materials, and the ability to stick to a difficult>project for a long time. The payoff is in the end of this total immersion>course in aircraft fabrication, you are an extremely knowledgable aircraft>craftsman! The side benefit? You ALSO end up with a fine classic airplane!>> When you're done, and go to flyins, or just hangar flying, you can talk>about the decisions you made here and there on YOUR Piet, and you'll know>that every single little tiny rib gussett or spruce block in that plane you>cut and and put there youself.>> Ed, embrace the old plans, make the corrections as you find the errors >and>develop your skills. But honestly, and please don't take this as rude or>mean-spirited, but just friendly advice. If you're not wanting to immerse>yourself into studying this particular design, and solving LOTS of little>problems yourself, then maybe this isn't the project for you. There are >tons>of plan sets out there that probably are much better executed, and leave>nothing to doubt, and are much easier to build, cookbook style. But then>they aren't a Pietenpol!>> So far, I've built my ribs, tailfeathers, and I'm about to join-up my>fuselage halves. Sometimes I feel like I'm working in the dark, but I grab >a>book and a cup of coffee, and try to solve whatever little problem that>crops up. Remember, You have a host of knowledgable, helpful, people right>at your keyboard! An answer, or at least an opinion isn't far away!>>Good luck and happy building!>Gary Meadows>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:15:26 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie question: Rudder Bar versus Pedals
Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie question: Rudder Bar versus Pedals
Original Posted By: Don Mosher