Original Posted By: Chris a Tracy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: "Rodger & Betty Childs"@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question>>>-----Original Message----->From: Gary Meadows >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Date: Saturday, November 11, 2000 10:14 AM>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question>>>>>, if someone knows where you can find a "T" nut>>with built-in locking features, then please let me know. I'd love to use>>them. >Have Fun!>>Gary Meadows>>Use bolts with drilled heads & saftey wire them.>>Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr sam )SAFETYMike B________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question>>>-----Original Message----->From: Gary Meadows >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Date: Saturday, November 11, 2000 10:14 AM>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question>>>>>, if someone knows where you can find a "T" nut>>with built-in locking features, then please let me know. I'd love to use>>them. >Have Fun!>>Gary Meadows>>Use bolts with drilled heads & saftey wire them.>>Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr sam )SAFETYMike B________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Chris, There are different kinds of aviation nutplates out there you could use. They would use a small screw in a "wing" off the nut to hold it in place while you unscrewed the screw out of it. Look in the Spruce or Wicks catalogs they have em!Gary MeadowsSpring, TX________________________________________________________________________________
Chris, There are different kinds of aviation nutplates out there you could use. They would use a small screw in a "wing" off the nut to hold it in place while you unscrewed the screw out of it. Look in the Spruce or Wicks catalogs they have em!Gary MeadowsSpring, TX________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: "Michael Brusilow"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question>>with built-in locking features, then please let me know. I'd love to use >them. >Have Fun!>Gary MeadowsUse bolts with drilled heads & saftey wire them.Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr sam )________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question>>with built-in locking features, then please let me know. I'd love to use >them. >Have Fun!>Gary MeadowsUse bolts with drilled heads & saftey wire them.Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr sam )________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: Joe
>Chris: Nut plates are the avation grade of "T nuts" will do the job from>behind and allow you to remove hinge later. Available from all avation>hardware suppliers. Chris, John, "T" nuts are not the type of nutplates that I was talking about. The nutplates I was talking about are basically nuts with tabs on one or two sides that are either riveted or screwed in place. I don't plan to use "T" nuts due to the fact that no "T" nuts that I've seen include the safety feature of a locknut, AND so far, I haven't found any way to put a lock washer between a "T" nut and the screw! Joe Krzes and I discussed this one day off-list, and he brought up to me the possibility of the screw backing out of the nut and possibly jamming a control surface! You might could argue that you could catch that in a thorough preflight. Maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't. If safety is a big concern, then I wouldn't use a plain old "T" nut. Now, having said all that, if someone knows where you can find a "T" nut with built-in locking features, then please let me know. I'd love to use them. They are an extremely attractive, easy way to install blind nuts and also help out in tight squeeze area like the elevator hinges on the outside corner of the the horizontal stabilizer!!Have Fun!Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 21:29:40 -0600
>Chris: Nut plates are the avation grade of "T nuts" will do the job from>behind and allow you to remove hinge later. Available from all avation>hardware suppliers. Chris, John, "T" nuts are not the type of nutplates that I was talking about. The nutplates I was talking about are basically nuts with tabs on one or two sides that are either riveted or screwed in place. I don't plan to use "T" nuts due to the fact that no "T" nuts that I've seen include the safety feature of a locknut, AND so far, I haven't found any way to put a lock washer between a "T" nut and the screw! Joe Krzes and I discussed this one day off-list, and he brought up to me the possibility of the screw backing out of the nut and possibly jamming a control surface! You might could argue that you could catch that in a thorough preflight. Maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't. If safety is a big concern, then I wouldn't use a plain old "T" nut. Now, having said all that, if someone knows where you can find a "T" nut with built-in locking features, then please let me know. I'd love to use them. They are an extremely attractive, easy way to install blind nuts and also help out in tight squeeze area like the elevator hinges on the outside corner of the the horizontal stabilizer!!Have Fun!Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 21:29:40 -0600
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: Gary Meadows
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Pietenpol-List: Plywood Gussets
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Rebecca,You can use birch or mahogany plywood for the rib gussets but if you try to bend this plywood around the leading edge you willhave trouble with it breaking as it trys to bend too sharply. For the leading edge, if you go the plywood route, then choose something like hoop pine plywood as this will bend around asmaller radius.Rodger ChildsPiet in progress________________________________________________________________________________
Rebecca,You can use birch or mahogany plywood for the rib gussets but if you try to bend this plywood around the leading edge you willhave trouble with it breaking as it trys to bend too sharply. For the leading edge, if you go the plywood route, then choose something like hoop pine plywood as this will bend around asmaller radius.Rodger ChildsPiet in progress________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: Jeff Griffin
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: "Gary Meadows"
Jeff, You could for sure saftey wire it! On certificated aircraft you don't normally use those types of safety techniques unless there's a rotational motion and potential loosening in what you're fastening. But if It looks safer to you, and it makes you feel safer, then by all means, use safety wire or cotter pins - either one! You've got to live with the aircraft you build, so you've got to make sure it meets your own personal safety minimums!Good luck and Have fun!Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________
Jeff, You could for sure saftey wire it! On certificated aircraft you don't normally use those types of safety techniques unless there's a rotational motion and potential loosening in what you're fastening. But if It looks safer to you, and it makes you feel safer, then by all means, use safety wire or cotter pins - either one! You've got to live with the aircraft you build, so you've got to make sure it meets your own personal safety minimums!Good luck and Have fun!Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: "Michael Brusilow"
Jeff, I re-read your post, and it reminded me of one I saw a day or two ago, about safety-wiring the bolts. I'm using the Vi Kapler hinges, and there aren't any bolts with drilled heads to saftey wire. I'm using screws/locknuts, since the Kapler hinges are countersunk already. I could safety wire the nuts on, but I can't really safety bolt heads.Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________
Jeff, I re-read your post, and it reminded me of one I saw a day or two ago, about safety-wiring the bolts. I'm using the Vi Kapler hinges, and there aren't any bolts with drilled heads to saftey wire. I'm using screws/locknuts, since the Kapler hinges are countersunk already. I could safety wire the nuts on, but I can't really safety bolt heads.Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: Jim Sury
For what it's worth, I used eye bolts for the elevator hinges.Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:58:57 -0600
For what it's worth, I used eye bolts for the elevator hinges.Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:58:57 -0600
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: "Gary Meadows"
>>Jeff,>> I re-read your post, and it reminded me of one I saw a day or two ago,>about safety-wiring the bolts. I'm using the Vi Kapler hinges, and there>aren't any bolts with drilled heads to saftey wireI suggested safety wiring drilled bolt heads if one uses "T" nuts. Thatworked on my Piet.Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
>>Jeff,>> I re-read your post, and it reminded me of one I saw a day or two ago,>about safety-wiring the bolts. I'm using the Vi Kapler hinges, and there>aren't any bolts with drilled heads to saftey wireI suggested safety wiring drilled bolt heads if one uses "T" nuts. Thatworked on my Piet.Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: "Gary Meadows"
Mike, Aha, I gotcha now - you safety the bolt on the nut side? Yep, that would make the "T" nut safe! But then, wouldn't you lose the real reason to use the "T" nut, which I though was to be able to remove the hinge bolt and thus the hinge? Maybe I'm missing something?Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Mike, Aha, I gotcha now - you safety the bolt on the nut side? Yep, that would make the "T" nut safe! But then, wouldn't you lose the real reason to use the "T" nut, which I though was to be able to remove the hinge bolt and thus the hinge? Maybe I'm missing something?Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: DonanClara(at)aol.com
Mike, I guess if I could read a note without somebody from this j-o-b thing, I would have understood what you meant. Boy work sure gets in the way of Piet building! I got it now. There's a whole bunch of ways to skin this cat! Best not to get caught-up in just one way is what you're getting at!Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Mike, I guess if I could read a note without somebody from this j-o-b thing, I would have understood what you meant. Boy work sure gets in the way of Piet building! I got it now. There's a whole bunch of ways to skin this cat! Best not to get caught-up in just one way is what you're getting at!Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: "Gary Meadows"
>>Mike,>> Aha, I gotcha now - you safety the bolt on the nut side? Yep, that would>make the "T" nut safe! But then, wouldn't you lose the real reason to use>the "T" nut, which I though was to be able to remove the hinge bolt andthus>the hinge? Maybe I'm missing something?>>GaryYep, you are missing something. Use drilled head bolts & safety them on thebolt side.Mike B Piet N687 MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
>>Mike,>> Aha, I gotcha now - you safety the bolt on the nut side? Yep, that would>make the "T" nut safe! But then, wouldn't you lose the real reason to use>the "T" nut, which I though was to be able to remove the hinge bolt andthus>the hinge? Maybe I'm missing something?>>GaryYep, you are missing something. Use drilled head bolts & safety them on thebolt side.Mike B Piet N687 MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: "walter evans"
>Yep, you are missing something. Use drilled head bolts & safety them on the>bolt side.Unless you're using Vi Kapler's hinges, with the pre-counstersunk holes, then you could use any of the other tried and true methods, using locknuts, or anchored nutplates with fiber locking features.Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________
>Yep, you are missing something. Use drilled head bolts & safety them on the>bolt side.Unless you're using Vi Kapler's hinges, with the pre-counstersunk holes, then you could use any of the other tried and true methods, using locknuts, or anchored nutplates with fiber locking features.Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: Gary Meadows
If using the pre-countersunk hinges, how about if you took a AN501fillister head screw (AS&S has them starting at #8) and machine the bottomof the head for the countersink, and there would be enough sticking up todrill for a safety?walt---------------------------------------------------------- Original Message -----
If using the pre-countersunk hinges, how about if you took a AN501fillister head screw (AS&S has them starting at #8) and machine the bottomof the head for the countersink, and there would be enough sticking up todrill for a safety?walt---------------------------------------------------------- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: "walter evans"
Walt, You are playing around with the structural integrity of the bolt (screw)on a structural item. May be OK but suggest caution. Pete----- Original Message -----
Walt, You are playing around with the structural integrity of the bolt (screw)on a structural item. May be OK but suggest caution. Pete----- Original Message -----
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Pietenpol-List: Piet/GN-1
Original Posted By: Edward Nolan
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail hinge question
Original Posted By: Pete Smith
Pete,No, the fillister head screw has a tall cylindrical head with a slotin it. Like the screws that hold the rocker cover on a continental engine.You could cut the bottom of the head and still have 3 times the meat leftcompared to a flat head screw that you were going to use.It was just a thought for that situation. My tail is already done with #8nutplates that will be secured with locktite (blue).walt---------------------------------------------------------- Original Message -----
Pete,No, the fillister head screw has a tall cylindrical head with a slotin it. Like the screws that hold the rocker cover on a continental engine.You could cut the bottom of the head and still have 3 times the meat leftcompared to a flat head screw that you were going to use.It was just a thought for that situation. My tail is already done with #8nutplates that will be secured with locktite (blue).walt---------------------------------------------------------- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircamper.org Supplier List
Original Posted By: Edward Nolan
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircamper.org Supplier ListIn a message dated 11/15/00 10:18:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, artsfoto(at)yahoo.com writes:> What specifically do Orrin Hoopman and Doug Bryant> supply? I'm familiar with the other companies. Also,> anyone bought components from Replicraft?> > Ed> > > Ed,I was supplying some of the steel parts i.e. control stick assy, elevator bellcrank, front rudder pedals, rudder bar assy, engine mount plates.... But I just became too busy and wanted to build some more complete airplanes myself or with partners here in Wichita. Vi Kapler is now building more parts in addition to the items he was already making i.e. alum hinges, corvair stuff, great stuff. His parts are excellent. I think Orrin used to supply the early version drawings and some other things which BHP had designed and tested like a steerable tail skid... Doug Bryant Wichita, Ks ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:08:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircamper.org Supplier ListIn a message dated 11/15/00 10:18:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, artsfoto(at)yahoo.com writes:> What specifically do Orrin Hoopman and Doug Bryant> supply? I'm familiar with the other companies. Also,> anyone bought components from Replicraft?> > Ed> > > Ed,I was supplying some of the steel parts i.e. control stick assy, elevator bellcrank, front rudder pedals, rudder bar assy, engine mount plates.... But I just became too busy and wanted to build some more complete airplanes myself or with partners here in Wichita. Vi Kapler is now building more parts in addition to the items he was already making i.e. alum hinges, corvair stuff, great stuff. His parts are excellent. I think Orrin used to supply the early version drawings and some other things which BHP had designed and tested like a steerable tail skid... Doug Bryant Wichita, Ks ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:08:43 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Vi Kapler
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
09:30:06 AMI just ordered the three piece wing plan from him. I know he alsooffers cast aluminum hinges. Please take a moment to ask him for alist of products when you contact him. I talked to him for just a fewmoments and forgot.Vi Kapler1033 Forest Hills Drive, S.W.Rochester, MN 55902507-288-3322________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:07:43 -0800
09:30:06 AMI just ordered the three piece wing plan from him. I know he alsooffers cast aluminum hinges. Please take a moment to ask him for alist of products when you contact him. I talked to him for just a fewmoments and forgot.Vi Kapler1033 Forest Hills Drive, S.W.Rochester, MN 55902507-288-3322________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:07:43 -0800