Original Posted By: "rod wooller"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot ChangesThank you Mr. Hansen for the update on the pending changes per Sport Pilot and associated changes which will be more effective for aviation than anything since the twenties. It will give aviation back to the people where it belongs. You will see prices on aircraft materials reducing and best of all you will see more vehicles in the air on weekend afternoons. I'm not convinced that the professionals are that happy about the pending changes as some of those are in power of authority to maintain what they have and to hell with the little fellow who can't go out and pay those prices for engines, instruments, avionics, spruce and other necessities of flying. Thank God the enviornmentalists haven't gotten into the aviation sector.I don't know how you might feel about this Sport Pilot deal. It won't effect too many Pieters as they seem to be flying OK but there are many of us who are beyond the age of passing a first or second class physical who will be depending upon that driver's lic to pilot our Piet and if I determine I'm mentally and physically capable of a little hop over the cotton fields I'd sure like to have the priveledge to do so.About all the indecision in Washington. It will continue UNLESS you get off you a-- and let those politicians know how many votes there are out there who are interested in the subject. That is the only language they understand. Pay NO attention to what they say. They certainly don't. Put some political pressure on FAA or this ruling will be no closer to completion next year than it is now. They can't stand waves in Washington so let's get a little storm going IF you want this rule passed. If you don't, well just continue to follow the leads before you now like a bunch of blind sheep and be assured there will be nothing happening.Sure hope at least one or two of you feel as I do and please don't kick me out of the club or off this web for saying what I strongly feel.Corky in political La.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Changes
Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Changes
Original Posted By: Tim
04/21/2001 08:43:38 AMCorky,Well, I cetainly don't object to you expressing an aviation-relatedpolitical opinion on the list, but I do take umbrage with your commentabout environmentalists. I am about as radical a tree-hugger as a personcan get & still be an omnivore & wear leather shoes & I don't have anyproblem with the effect of sport aviation on the environment.Frankly, a bigger threat to the future of sport aviation is thenow-immenent increase in fuel costs, mainly driven by the excessiveconsumption of gasoline for personal automobile transportation (I'm temptedto flame SUV drivers, but even without them, we still use way too muchgas).A number of respected petroleum geologists, including some I work with, areconvinced that the extraction costs of remaining global oil reserves willmake petroleum economically unfeasible in 10-20 years. The loss of 100LLwill look like a minor issue by then. Aviation, particularly generalaviation accounts for a miniscule amount of the total global fuelconsumtion, but we are the only form of transportation that is totallydependent on an easily-carried LIQUID fuel. There is still plenty ofextractable energy in the world in the form of coal and natural gas(including a new form of natural gas deposits discovered by oceanographersabout 5 years ago that completely dwarfs the rest of all known globalreserves combined - unfortunately, no current technology can get ateconomic quantities yet).Ok, so I'm getting perhaps a bit too political myself, so I'll shut up. Iagree that we need to put pressure in the right places to get the SportPilot rate approved. That is an issue that affects all of us Piet builders(& hope-to-be builders)right now.BTW, almost all Congressional representatives can now be reached by e-mailthrough the Congressional web site, so let 'em have it. A few years ago afriend of mine who is a lobbyist for a local conservation organization toldme that a congressman considers an issue important if he/she receives atleast 5 original (not form letter) letters expressing concern, so itdoesn't take much.Cheers!Kip Gardner________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:47:46 -0500
04/21/2001 08:43:38 AMCorky,Well, I cetainly don't object to you expressing an aviation-relatedpolitical opinion on the list, but I do take umbrage with your commentabout environmentalists. I am about as radical a tree-hugger as a personcan get & still be an omnivore & wear leather shoes & I don't have anyproblem with the effect of sport aviation on the environment.Frankly, a bigger threat to the future of sport aviation is thenow-immenent increase in fuel costs, mainly driven by the excessiveconsumption of gasoline for personal automobile transportation (I'm temptedto flame SUV drivers, but even without them, we still use way too muchgas).A number of respected petroleum geologists, including some I work with, areconvinced that the extraction costs of remaining global oil reserves willmake petroleum economically unfeasible in 10-20 years. The loss of 100LLwill look like a minor issue by then. Aviation, particularly generalaviation accounts for a miniscule amount of the total global fuelconsumtion, but we are the only form of transportation that is totallydependent on an easily-carried LIQUID fuel. There is still plenty ofextractable energy in the world in the form of coal and natural gas(including a new form of natural gas deposits discovered by oceanographersabout 5 years ago that completely dwarfs the rest of all known globalreserves combined - unfortunately, no current technology can get ateconomic quantities yet).Ok, so I'm getting perhaps a bit too political myself, so I'll shut up. Iagree that we need to put pressure in the right places to get the SportPilot rate approved. That is an issue that affects all of us Piet builders(& hope-to-be builders)right now.BTW, almost all Congressional representatives can now be reached by e-mailthrough the Congressional web site, so let 'em have it. A few years ago afriend of mine who is a lobbyist for a local conservation organization toldme that a congressman considers an issue important if he/she receives atleast 5 original (not form letter) letters expressing concern, so itdoesn't take much.Cheers!Kip Gardner________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:47:46 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Plans
Original Posted By: kgardner(at)odu.edu
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol PlansIn a message dated 4/21/01 8:50:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tbertw(at)tenbuckplans.com writes:>Get ready for a FLURRY of responses !Hope these URL's come out ! Buckeye Pietenpol Association - Pietenpol Airplanes plans ordering info www.AirCamper.org Info on Events, Pietenpol Pictures, Suppliers, Building Tips and Images Steve Eldredge's Hangar Jeff Boatright - Brodhead 2000 Then there's Brodhead:(WI) July 20, 2001 - July 22, 2001 Brodhead 2001 Pietenpol ReunionThis is the big one! Pietenpols gather from all over! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol PlansIn a message dated 4/21/01 8:50:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tbertw(at)tenbuckplans.com writes:>Get ready for a FLURRY of responses !Hope these URL's come out ! Buckeye Pietenpol Association - Pietenpol Airplanes plans ordering info www.AirCamper.org Info on Events, Pietenpol Pictures, Suppliers, Building Tips and Images Steve Eldredge's Hangar Jeff Boatright - Brodhead 2000 Then there's Brodhead:(WI) July 20, 2001 - July 22, 2001 Brodhead 2001 Pietenpol ReunionThis is the big one! Pietenpols gather from all over! ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Plans
Original Posted By: "ken breier"
04/21/2001 10:15:09 AMIn a message dated 4/21/01 8:50:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,tbertw(at)tenbuckplans.com writes:>Hi,In addition, I would add that the primary source of plans is the Pietenpolfamily. I'm in OH today at my wife's Grandpa's funeral, so I don't haveaccess to my bookmarks, but they have a web site with all the necessaryinformation. You can access it via a link on the BPA website. Also, thereare a number of people who sell supplemental plans & parts. Vi Kaplar sellsplans & parts and Kerri-Ann Price sells supplemental plans, although no oneseems to be able to get ahold of her at the moment. Same goes for a guynamed William Wynne, who sells plans for an awesomw Corvair conversion (didanyone see him at Sun N' Fun?)Like the guy said, get ready for a flurry of responses!Cheers,Kip gardner________________________________________________________________________________
04/21/2001 10:15:09 AMIn a message dated 4/21/01 8:50:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,tbertw(at)tenbuckplans.com writes:>Hi,In addition, I would add that the primary source of plans is the Pietenpolfamily. I'm in OH today at my wife's Grandpa's funeral, so I don't haveaccess to my bookmarks, but they have a web site with all the necessaryinformation. You can access it via a link on the BPA website. Also, thereare a number of people who sell supplemental plans & parts. Vi Kaplar sellsplans & parts and Kerri-Ann Price sells supplemental plans, although no oneseems to be able to get ahold of her at the moment. Same goes for a guynamed William Wynne, who sells plans for an awesomw Corvair conversion (didanyone see him at Sun N' Fun?)Like the guy said, get ready for a flurry of responses!Cheers,Kip gardner________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Plans
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Yes William was at S&F. I bought am manual from him there, and saw his Piet.----- Original Message -----
Yes William was at S&F. I bought am manual from him there, and saw his Piet.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Plans
Original Posted By: Dmott9(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol PlansIn a message dated 4/21/01 5:50:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tbertw(at)tenbuckplans.com writes:> I am interested in getting the plans. At the seminar, they said there were > multiple sources for plans. I would like to hear any opinions on the > various sources. Also, if there are any Piets in the general vicinity of > Houston, I would love to go look at it/them!> > I am in the pre-FAA inspection portion of a Challenger II building project. > It is complete and I need to complete the paper work and get it inspected.> > Tim - Houston area> > > Tim,The plans for the what is called the improved aircamper are available from: Don Pietenpol1604 Meadow Circle SERochester, MN 55904-5436His phone is (507) 289-2436Doug Bryant Wichita Ks ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol PlansIn a message dated 4/21/01 5:50:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tbertw(at)tenbuckplans.com writes:> I am interested in getting the plans. At the seminar, they said there were > multiple sources for plans. I would like to hear any opinions on the > various sources. Also, if there are any Piets in the general vicinity of > Houston, I would love to go look at it/them!> > I am in the pre-FAA inspection portion of a Challenger II building project. > It is complete and I need to complete the paper work and get it inspected.> > Tim - Houston area> > > Tim,The plans for the what is called the improved aircamper are available from: Don Pietenpol1604 Meadow Circle SERochester, MN 55904-5436His phone is (507) 289-2436Doug Bryant Wichita Ks ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Changes
Original Posted By: "oil can"
Kip & all Pietsters! Don't worry, There's plenty of oil, reports to the contrary are greatly exaggerated! Extraction is not the problem, unless you factor in environmental regulations which could drive prices way up. I'm constantly amazed at the strides being made in drilling and extraction, and besides, I've been hearing the "Chicken Little" 10-20 year oil thing for the last 20-30 years. Another point: If you don't believe unbridled environmentalism causes massive price hikes and shortages, then just look at California's energy mess! We'll all end up paying for that! SUV's and supply and demand are not the cause of the gasoline price hikes. It's OPEC. If we all parked our cars tomorrow, gas would cost the same - maybe more! OPEC limits its oil output and therby sets the crude prices that directly affects gasoline prices. Supply & demand may cause some minor fluctuations, but are not the cause of overall higher prices. We should also drill ANWR, and any other place that looks good for production. Honestly, Prudhoe is a better place for animals thanks to the oil industry. Finally, On a pertinent note, Kudos to Mike Bell! I received my BPA reprints today! What a goldmine!! Thanks Mike! Corky - Hang in there buddy and keep building, you're gonna fly that Piet yet! I think the new certificate class is something the FAA may do right, and will provide another shot-in-the-arm for aviation!Gary MeadowsWorking on landing gear in Texas!________________________________________________________________________________
Kip & all Pietsters! Don't worry, There's plenty of oil, reports to the contrary are greatly exaggerated! Extraction is not the problem, unless you factor in environmental regulations which could drive prices way up. I'm constantly amazed at the strides being made in drilling and extraction, and besides, I've been hearing the "Chicken Little" 10-20 year oil thing for the last 20-30 years. Another point: If you don't believe unbridled environmentalism causes massive price hikes and shortages, then just look at California's energy mess! We'll all end up paying for that! SUV's and supply and demand are not the cause of the gasoline price hikes. It's OPEC. If we all parked our cars tomorrow, gas would cost the same - maybe more! OPEC limits its oil output and therby sets the crude prices that directly affects gasoline prices. Supply & demand may cause some minor fluctuations, but are not the cause of overall higher prices. We should also drill ANWR, and any other place that looks good for production. Honestly, Prudhoe is a better place for animals thanks to the oil industry. Finally, On a pertinent note, Kudos to Mike Bell! I received my BPA reprints today! What a goldmine!! Thanks Mike! Corky - Hang in there buddy and keep building, you're gonna fly that Piet yet! I think the new certificate class is something the FAA may do right, and will provide another shot-in-the-arm for aviation!Gary MeadowsWorking on landing gear in Texas!________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Changes
Original Posted By: "rod wooller"
From what I hear, it's not so much OPEC which causes the excessive, and rising price of gasoline, but rather, a long and steady increase in per gallon gasoline TAXES !I've been watching the price of gas for years. And as I recall, during the early 1980's, the price for a bbl of crude was over $30.00. Gas per gal was 1.27.Now crude is maybe 28.00 per bbl., and a gal of car gas here is 1.48 .What I wish, is that the amount of each gas tax increase , it's date of increse, and the number of past tax increases be posted on the pump.We would still be a frog, slow cooking in a pot, but at least we could keep track of the tempature as it goes up..Bob>From: "Gary Meadows" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Changes>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 06:52:12 -0000>>>>Kip & all Pietsters!>> Don't worry, There's plenty of oil, reports to the contrary are greatly>exaggerated! Extraction is not the problem, unless you factor in>environmental regulations which could drive prices way up. I'm constantly>amazed at the strides being made in drilling and extraction, and besides,>I've been hearing the "Chicken Little" 10-20 year oil thing for the last>20-30 years. Another point: If you don't believe unbridled environmentalism>causes massive price hikes and shortages, then just look at California's>energy mess! We'll all end up paying for that!>> SUV's and supply and demand are not the cause of the gasoline price >hikes.>It's OPEC. If we all parked our cars tomorrow, gas would cost the same ->maybe more! OPEC limits its oil output and therby sets the crude prices >that>directly affects gasoline prices. Supply & demand may cause some minor>fluctuations, but are not the cause of overall higher prices.>> We should also drill ANWR, and any other place that looks good for>production. Honestly, Prudhoe is a better place for animals thanks to the>oil industry.>> Finally, On a pertinent note, Kudos to Mike Bell! I received my BPA>reprints today! What a goldmine!! Thanks Mike!>> Corky - Hang in there buddy and keep building, you're gonna fly that >Piet>yet! I think the new certificate class is something the FAA may do right,>and will provide another shot-in-the-arm for aviation!>>Gary Meadows>Working on landing gear in Texas!>>________________________________________________________________________________
From what I hear, it's not so much OPEC which causes the excessive, and rising price of gasoline, but rather, a long and steady increase in per gallon gasoline TAXES !I've been watching the price of gas for years. And as I recall, during the early 1980's, the price for a bbl of crude was over $30.00. Gas per gal was 1.27.Now crude is maybe 28.00 per bbl., and a gal of car gas here is 1.48 .What I wish, is that the amount of each gas tax increase , it's date of increse, and the number of past tax increases be posted on the pump.We would still be a frog, slow cooking in a pot, but at least we could keep track of the tempature as it goes up..Bob>From: "Gary Meadows" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Changes>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 06:52:12 -0000>>>>Kip & all Pietsters!>> Don't worry, There's plenty of oil, reports to the contrary are greatly>exaggerated! Extraction is not the problem, unless you factor in>environmental regulations which could drive prices way up. I'm constantly>amazed at the strides being made in drilling and extraction, and besides,>I've been hearing the "Chicken Little" 10-20 year oil thing for the last>20-30 years. Another point: If you don't believe unbridled environmentalism>causes massive price hikes and shortages, then just look at California's>energy mess! We'll all end up paying for that!>> SUV's and supply and demand are not the cause of the gasoline price >hikes.>It's OPEC. If we all parked our cars tomorrow, gas would cost the same ->maybe more! OPEC limits its oil output and therby sets the crude prices >that>directly affects gasoline prices. Supply & demand may cause some minor>fluctuations, but are not the cause of overall higher prices.>> We should also drill ANWR, and any other place that looks good for>production. Honestly, Prudhoe is a better place for animals thanks to the>oil industry.>> Finally, On a pertinent note, Kudos to Mike Bell! I received my BPA>reprints today! What a goldmine!! Thanks Mike!>> Corky - Hang in there buddy and keep building, you're gonna fly that >Piet>yet! I think the new certificate class is something the FAA may do right,>and will provide another shot-in-the-arm for aviation!>>Gary Meadows>Working on landing gear in Texas!>>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Changes
Original Posted By: kgardner(at)odu.edu
04/23/2001 10:02:32 AMWell, I guess I opened a can of worms, but I stick by my position. It's notOPEC, not Taxes,not Environmental Regs., it is the fact that production on all producingworld reserves peakedabout 5 years ago and consumption continues to increase, particularly inthe U.S. The AWNR & otherpossible sources notwithstanding (such as the untapped reserves in AsianRussia, the world supplyis now diminishing measurably. Yes I know there have been 'chicken little'scares on this issue in the past(I got my driver's license during the 1975 oil 'shortage'), but this timethe consensus of opinionamong scientists who don't have a vested intrest in the oil industry (andin fact, among some who do)is that this time scale (10-20 years) for the endpoint of economicallyextractable oil is real.Fully utilizing improved technologies only adds about 20 years to that.BTW, the first time I saw the analysis of thiswas in a Scientific American article in 1995 written by a couple of oilindustry petroleum geologistswho did an exhaustive review of over 90 years of oil exploration andproduction data.There have been several follow-on studies in the academic press since then,all of which haveconfirmed the original conclusion. The mainstream press has completelyignored this information.That's all I'm going to say about it unless someone wants to discuss itoff-group.To get back to the issue that affects us a Pietenpol folk - get active inthe debate over the shape of thenew Sport Pilot Rating rules, they will affect the way all of us fly oneway or the other.Kip Gardner________________________________________________________________________________
04/23/2001 10:02:32 AMWell, I guess I opened a can of worms, but I stick by my position. It's notOPEC, not Taxes,not Environmental Regs., it is the fact that production on all producingworld reserves peakedabout 5 years ago and consumption continues to increase, particularly inthe U.S. The AWNR & otherpossible sources notwithstanding (such as the untapped reserves in AsianRussia, the world supplyis now diminishing measurably. Yes I know there have been 'chicken little'scares on this issue in the past(I got my driver's license during the 1975 oil 'shortage'), but this timethe consensus of opinionamong scientists who don't have a vested intrest in the oil industry (andin fact, among some who do)is that this time scale (10-20 years) for the endpoint of economicallyextractable oil is real.Fully utilizing improved technologies only adds about 20 years to that.BTW, the first time I saw the analysis of thiswas in a Scientific American article in 1995 written by a couple of oilindustry petroleum geologistswho did an exhaustive review of over 90 years of oil exploration andproduction data.There have been several follow-on studies in the academic press since then,all of which haveconfirmed the original conclusion. The mainstream press has completelyignored this information.That's all I'm going to say about it unless someone wants to discuss itoff-group.To get back to the issue that affects us a Pietenpol folk - get active inthe debate over the shape of thenew Sport Pilot Rating rules, they will affect the way all of us fly oneway or the other.Kip Gardner________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Changes
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Gary and PietstersSorry for the late, off-topic post. I'm running into this wonderfullysuccessful oil industry propaganda job on Prudhoe Bay all the time and Ijust can't hold my tongue. They've spent millions painting a pretty pictureof their operations in the Arctic, flying journalists up there and such, butthe whole thing collapses when you look at a few facts.* The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) reported in 1992 that nearly 40percent of reserve pits associated with drilling pads studied wereclassified as toxic.* The Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) reports that100,098 gallons of petroleum products were spilled in the oil fields in 1993and 24,968 gallons in 1994.* FWS studies report that snow in the Prudhoe Bay fields has highconcentrations of heavy metals such as zinc, lead, copper and barium.* DEC reports that the nitrogen oxide emissions from Prudhoe Bay arecomparable to Washington, D.C.* The 1995 Journal of Atmospheric Chemistry reports that approximately24,000 tons of methane gas are leaked into the atmosphere from the PrudhoeBay oil fields each year. Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas and a majorpolluter.* Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G) studies indicate that femalecaribou in contact with North Slope oil activities are less productive thanthose in undisturbed areas. The Central Arctic Caribou Herd is currentlysuffering a decline in its rate of growth.* ADF&G North Slope bear studies reveal that about a dozen once wildgrizzlies have turned into garbage bears in the oil fields.This is not a paradise for wildlife. It's an oil field.Ken, just finishing the fuselage jig in Austin, Texas.-----Original Message-----
Gary and PietstersSorry for the late, off-topic post. I'm running into this wonderfullysuccessful oil industry propaganda job on Prudhoe Bay all the time and Ijust can't hold my tongue. They've spent millions painting a pretty pictureof their operations in the Arctic, flying journalists up there and such, butthe whole thing collapses when you look at a few facts.* The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) reported in 1992 that nearly 40percent of reserve pits associated with drilling pads studied wereclassified as toxic.* The Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) reports that100,098 gallons of petroleum products were spilled in the oil fields in 1993and 24,968 gallons in 1994.* FWS studies report that snow in the Prudhoe Bay fields has highconcentrations of heavy metals such as zinc, lead, copper and barium.* DEC reports that the nitrogen oxide emissions from Prudhoe Bay arecomparable to Washington, D.C.* The 1995 Journal of Atmospheric Chemistry reports that approximately24,000 tons of methane gas are leaked into the atmosphere from the PrudhoeBay oil fields each year. Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas and a majorpolluter.* Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G) studies indicate that femalecaribou in contact with North Slope oil activities are less productive thanthose in undisturbed areas. The Central Arctic Caribou Herd is currentlysuffering a decline in its rate of growth.* ADF&G North Slope bear studies reveal that about a dozen once wildgrizzlies have turned into garbage bears in the oil fields.This is not a paradise for wildlife. It's an oil field.Ken, just finishing the fuselage jig in Austin, Texas.-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Changes
Original Posted By: "Ken Chambers"
* The 1995 Journal of Atmospheric Chemistry reports that approximately24,000 tons of methane gas are leaked into the atmosphere from the PrudhoeBay oil fields each year. Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas and a majorpolluter.IOWA COWS do more than that. Sure it isn't from the Caribou which aremultiplying?----- Original Message -----
* The 1995 Journal of Atmospheric Chemistry reports that approximately24,000 tons of methane gas are leaked into the atmosphere from the PrudhoeBay oil fields each year. Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas and a majorpolluter.IOWA COWS do more than that. Sure it isn't from the Caribou which aremultiplying?----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Changes
Original Posted By: "Lou Larsen"
Ken, That was a really inappropriate note. This topic had died, and rightfully so. I'll respond offlist.Gary MeadowsConsulting Research Technologist - Texaco Inc.________________________________________________________________________________
Ken, That was a really inappropriate note. This topic had died, and rightfully so. I'll respond offlist.Gary MeadowsConsulting Research Technologist - Texaco Inc.________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Changes
Original Posted By: Ken Chambers [SMTP:kchambers(at)m2k.com]
Let's keep the politics out of here. This site is a refuge from the day to day---.Dick-----Original Message-----
Let's keep the politics out of here. This site is a refuge from the day to day---.Dick-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Changes
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
GaryNot sure I follow you. Inappropriate in what way?Ken-----Original Message-----
GaryNot sure I follow you. Inappropriate in what way?Ken-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Sport Pilot Changes
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy