Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I'll be there Friday and Saturday.Jack -----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF
Pietenpol-List: SNF
Original Posted By: dave rowe
I made it back to St. Paul late last night with my SNF built wings. Thanks toall who helped put them together. Now it's time to get out and see if the other Piet really will fly.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:11:41 -0700
I made it back to St. Paul late last night with my SNF built wings. Thanks toall who helped put them together. Now it's time to get out and see if the other Piet really will fly.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:11:41 -0700
Re: Pietenpol-List: aluminum parts
Original Posted By: Les Schubert
Re: Pietenpol-List: model a ignition
Original Posted By: At7000ft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: model a ignitionWould you consider springing for a dual ignition head? I believe that if you'll visit [www.secretsofspeed.com] you will find them....Carl Vought/Huntsville, AL________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: model a ignitionWould you consider springing for a dual ignition head? I believe that if you'll visit [www.secretsofspeed.com] you will find them....Carl Vought/Huntsville, AL________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab question
Original Posted By: "Peter W Johnson"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab questionInteresting, of all the tail feather pictures I have seen on the net none of them have had wood strips glued between all the gussets. Has anyone else had to do this?What I am trying to confirm is if the 2 8" x 1" x 3/16" plywood pieces glued to the center of the horizontal stab go on both the bottom and the top.I'm not sure if I read your problem right? But youdo put the plywood gussets on top, but if you use PolyFiber like I did, you have to cut strips of wood to goaround the stabilizer to fill in the gaps betweenplywood gussets, as Poly Fiber dacron heat shrinkcovering, needs a constant perimeter level piece ofwood to glue to, so when you shrink it, it shrinksevenly. If you have a gap on the perimeter yourdacron will sag in the gap without a surface to glueto and shrink distorted. I learned the hard way!Ray> Just to make sure before I start glueing, does the> 3/16" ply that goes on the > leading edge and center beam go on top and on the> bottom of the horizontal stabilizer?________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab questionInteresting, of all the tail feather pictures I have seen on the net none of them have had wood strips glued between all the gussets. Has anyone else had to do this?What I am trying to confirm is if the 2 8" x 1" x 3/16" plywood pieces glued to the center of the horizontal stab go on both the bottom and the top.I'm not sure if I read your problem right? But youdo put the plywood gussets on top, but if you use PolyFiber like I did, you have to cut strips of wood to goaround the stabilizer to fill in the gaps betweenplywood gussets, as Poly Fiber dacron heat shrinkcovering, needs a constant perimeter level piece ofwood to glue to, so when you shrink it, it shrinksevenly. If you have a gap on the perimeter yourdacron will sag in the gap without a surface to glueto and shrink distorted. I learned the hard way!Ray> Just to make sure before I start glueing, does the> 3/16" ply that goes on the > leading edge and center beam go on top and on the> bottom of the horizontal stabilizer?________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I filled the spaces between the gussets with spruce and sanded to shape.Peter.http://www.cpc-world.com-----Original Message-----
I filled the spaces between the gussets with spruce and sanded to shape.Peter.http://www.cpc-world.com-----Original Message-----
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab question
Original Posted By: At7000ft(at)aol.com
Yes ..they go top and bottom...the top one on the center beam supports the verticle stab. even with the fabric and the bottom one supports the horizontal stab on the longerons which gives you the zero degree incidence of the stabilizer. on the leading edge they support the screws which hold it down. If you don't do routed out end pieces for the horizontal stab then you need to add the strips in between the gussets to bring the fabric up even with the gussets. That's the way I did mine. I found it easier than trying to make them in one piece.>From: At7000ft(at)aol.com>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab question>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:42:23 EDT>>Interesting, of all the tail feather pictures I have seen on the net none >of>them have had wood strips glued between all the gussets. Has anyone else >had>to do this?>>What I am trying to confirm is if the 2 8" x 1" x 3/16" plywood pieces >glued>to the center of the horizontal stab go on both the bottom and the top.>>I'm not sure if I read your problem right? But you>do put the plywood gussets on top, but if you use Poly>Fiber like I did, you have to cut strips of wood to go>around the stabilizer to fill in the gaps between>plywood gussets, as Poly Fiber dacron heat shrink>covering, needs a constant perimeter level piece of>wood to glue to, so when you shrink it, it shrinks>evenly. If you have a gap on the perimeter your>dacron will sag in the gap without a surface to glue>to and shrink distorted. I learned the hard way!>Ray>>> > Just to make sure before I start glueing, does the> > 3/16" ply that goes on the> > leading edge and center beam go on top and on the> > bottom of the horizontal stabilizer?________________________________________________________________________________
Yes ..they go top and bottom...the top one on the center beam supports the verticle stab. even with the fabric and the bottom one supports the horizontal stab on the longerons which gives you the zero degree incidence of the stabilizer. on the leading edge they support the screws which hold it down. If you don't do routed out end pieces for the horizontal stab then you need to add the strips in between the gussets to bring the fabric up even with the gussets. That's the way I did mine. I found it easier than trying to make them in one piece.>From: At7000ft(at)aol.com>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab question>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:42:23 EDT>>Interesting, of all the tail feather pictures I have seen on the net none >of>them have had wood strips glued between all the gussets. Has anyone else >had>to do this?>>What I am trying to confirm is if the 2 8" x 1" x 3/16" plywood pieces >glued>to the center of the horizontal stab go on both the bottom and the top.>>I'm not sure if I read your problem right? But you>do put the plywood gussets on top, but if you use Poly>Fiber like I did, you have to cut strips of wood to go>around the stabilizer to fill in the gaps between>plywood gussets, as Poly Fiber dacron heat shrink>covering, needs a constant perimeter level piece of>wood to glue to, so when you shrink it, it shrinks>evenly. If you have a gap on the perimeter your>dacron will sag in the gap without a surface to glue>to and shrink distorted. I learned the hard way!>Ray>>> > Just to make sure before I start glueing, does the> > 3/16" ply that goes on the> > leading edge and center beam go on top and on the> > bottom of the horizontal stabilizer?________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab question
Original Posted By: "Ed Grentzer"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab questionThanks for the info Ed, which end pieces are you refering to here?Rick HIf you don't do routed out end pieces for the horizontal stab then you need to add the strips in between the gussets to bring the fabric up even with the gussets. That's the way I did mine. I found it easier than trying to make them in one piece.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab questionThanks for the info Ed, which end pieces are you refering to here?Rick HIf you don't do routed out end pieces for the horizontal stab then you need to add the strips in between the gussets to bring the fabric up even with the gussets. That's the way I did mine. I found it easier than trying to make them in one piece.________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab question
Original Posted By: Les Schubert
the outer end pieces for the horizontal stabilizer and the elevators are the ones I'm refering to. The plans show cross sections for the leading edge, center beam and trailing edge then after I scratched my head for a few days I figured out that the same cross sections are used for the elevators only the leading edge is now the trailing edge. But there are no details for the end pieces which taper from the main beam to the leading / trailing edges so your kind of on your own there.So rather than try to taper them and route them in one piece which I would have no problem with now but back then it seemed overwhelming. So I tapered a piece of spruce from the small inner thickness of each, installed my gussets and then filled in between the gussets with 1/8" spruce so everything is the same thickness and being laminated they are at least as strong as one piece. Hope you can follow that. Ed>From: At7000ft(at)aol.com>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab question>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:36:53 EDT>>Thanks for the info Ed, which end pieces are you refering to here?>>Rick H>If you don't do routed out end pieces for the horizontal stab then you>need to add the strips in between the gussets to bring the fabric up even>with the gussets. That's the way I did mine. I found it easier than trying>to make them in one piece.Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:38:32 -0600
the outer end pieces for the horizontal stabilizer and the elevators are the ones I'm refering to. The plans show cross sections for the leading edge, center beam and trailing edge then after I scratched my head for a few days I figured out that the same cross sections are used for the elevators only the leading edge is now the trailing edge. But there are no details for the end pieces which taper from the main beam to the leading / trailing edges so your kind of on your own there.So rather than try to taper them and route them in one piece which I would have no problem with now but back then it seemed overwhelming. So I tapered a piece of spruce from the small inner thickness of each, installed my gussets and then filled in between the gussets with 1/8" spruce so everything is the same thickness and being laminated they are at least as strong as one piece. Hope you can follow that. Ed>From: At7000ft(at)aol.com>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab question>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:36:53 EDT>>Thanks for the info Ed, which end pieces are you refering to here?>>Rick H>If you don't do routed out end pieces for the horizontal stab then you>need to add the strips in between the gussets to bring the fabric up even>with the gussets. That's the way I did mine. I found it easier than trying>to make them in one piece.Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:38:32 -0600
RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Dick,How did the wings come out? How far did you get them? Glad you got them backhome ok.Have fun with your other Piet.Skip-----Original Message-----
Dick,How did the wings come out? How far did you get them? Glad you got them backhome ok.Have fun with your other Piet.Skip-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Lancaster PA fly in for all you taildraggin Pieters
Original Posted By: "echobravo4"
Hey all I'm at SNF with Skip Gadd Dave Aldrich, Randy Henderson and a couple others . There are 4 Piets here so far. We are going to be building a Piet Fuselage at the show, I hope you all will stop by and watch or help. This one is going to be a quick build, so come by early on. I'll post a pic or 2 later.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lancaster PA fly in for all you taildraggin Pieters
Hey all I'm at SNF with Skip Gadd Dave Aldrich, Randy Henderson and a couple others . There are 4 Piets here so far. We are going to be building a Piet Fuselage at the show, I hope you all will stop by and watch or help. This one is going to be a quick build, so come by early on. I'll post a pic or 2 later.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lancaster PA fly in for all you taildraggin Pieters
Original Posted By: norm
I'll in!--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
I'll in!--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: SNF
Original Posted By: "Ralph"
Hey all I am down here at Sun n Fun and have been here for a few days now. I hope to see lots of Piet people at the show. For anyone who is considering building a Piet, we will be building 2 fuselages at this show and also building wing ribs. For anyone who wants to help build stuff this is the place for it, we can also talk with people about questions. I know of one Piet at this point that is flying in, hopefully there will be more. Stop byDick N.________________________________________________________________________________
Hey all I am down here at Sun n Fun and have been here for a few days now. I hope to see lots of Piet people at the show. For anyone who is considering building a Piet, we will be building 2 fuselages at this show and also building wing ribs. For anyone who wants to help build stuff this is the place for it, we can also talk with people about questions. I know of one Piet at this point that is flying in, hopefully there will be more. Stop byDick N.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF
Original Posted By: Darrel Jones
I'm watching the weather and gathering my camping gear. I'm hoping to try aircamping. Hope to find a campsite near yours.Ben CharvetSent from my iPhoneOn Mar 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "Dick N" wrote:> Hey all> I am down here at Sun n Fun and have been here for a few days now. I hope to see lots of Piet people at the show. For anyone who is considering building a Piet, we will be building 2 fuselages at this show and also building wing ribs. > For anyone who wants to help build stuff this is the place for it, we can also talk with people about questions. I know of one Piet at this point that is flying in, hopefully there will be more. > Stop by> Dick N.> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:42:54 -0700
I'm watching the weather and gathering my camping gear. I'm hoping to try aircamping. Hope to find a campsite near yours.Ben CharvetSent from my iPhoneOn Mar 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "Dick N" wrote:> Hey all> I am down here at Sun n Fun and have been here for a few days now. I hope to see lots of Piet people at the show. For anyone who is considering building a Piet, we will be building 2 fuselages at this show and also building wing ribs. > For anyone who wants to help build stuff this is the place for it, we can also talk with people about questions. I know of one Piet at this point that is flying in, hopefully there will be more. > Stop by> Dick N.> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:42:54 -0700
Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Hi BenSkip and I saved a spot by us for you, give me a call when you get in, I should be able to get a cart to pick you up.Dick N.612-805-1742 ----- Original Message -----
Hi BenSkip and I saved a spot by us for you, give me a call when you get in, I should be able to get a cart to pick you up.Dick N.612-805-1742 ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF
Original Posted By: Ryan M
Hey ya'allHi from SNF, hope you can make it down here, weather is beautiful. We are building a Pietenpol fuselage and wing ribs in the wood shop this year it is going really good. So far Skip Gadd, Ben Chevranet and I are working every day. John Hoffman and his wife stopped by today, I will be looking for Perry Rhodes we all hope more of you can make it down here.LaterDick N.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF
Hey ya'allHi from SNF, hope you can make it down here, weather is beautiful. We are building a Pietenpol fuselage and wing ribs in the wood shop this year it is going really good. So far Skip Gadd, Ben Chevranet and I are working every day. John Hoffman and his wife stopped by today, I will be looking for Perry Rhodes we all hope more of you can make it down here.LaterDick N.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF
RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
DickMy Dad broke his hip Friday and I have been busy with the surgery andhospital. I wish I could be there. Tell Skip, PF and the guys hello for me.Barry DavisNX973BP
DickMy Dad broke his hip Friday and I have been busy with the surgery andhospital. I wish I could be there. Tell Skip, PF and the guys hello for me.Barry DavisNX973BP
Re: Pietenpol-List: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme
Original Posted By: marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com
Marcus=2C I'd love to see your GN-1 can it can I find it on forum or web? Craig Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 10:44:58 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme
Marcus=2C I'd love to see your GN-1 can it can I find it on forum or web? Craig Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 10:44:58 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme
Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF
Original Posted By: Barry Davis
Hi Barry Sorry to hear about your Dad, I will send everyone Hello from you.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Hi Barry Sorry to hear about your Dad, I will send everyone Hello from you.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF
Original Posted By: "tools"
Oscar,Dad has a GN-1 also and the gap in his rudder looks a lot like the one you see.I think it is just one of those Grega trademarks. Dad put in foam gap seals onthe rudder and elevator.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF
Oscar,Dad has a GN-1 also and the gap in his rudder looks a lot like the one you see.I think it is just one of those Grega trademarks. Dad put in foam gap seals onthe rudder and elevator.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF
Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Oh... that's just mean.DETAILS! Piet floats? Wood floats? That just might entice me down there!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF
Oh... that's just mean.DETAILS! Piet floats? Wood floats? That just might entice me down there!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF
Original Posted By: "Dick N"
Dick; I'm very interested! Please take pictures of the floats during the constructionand I'll be happy to put them up on a website for myself and others tolearn from. If these are the straight MukTuk-style floats, the plans leaveit up to the builder to determine various things such as the locations for thestrut/leg mounting pads, type and style of water rudder, rudder control cables,and a few other things. When I got my plans years ago, there weren't manyprefab rudders available but nowadays there seem to be some that can be adaptedfrom kayaks and other such craft.The MukTuk float plans are scaled up or down depending on the required displacement.Are the ones you'll be building scaled for the Air Camper's displacement?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Dick; I'm very interested! Please take pictures of the floats during the constructionand I'll be happy to put them up on a website for myself and others tolearn from. If these are the straight MukTuk-style floats, the plans leaveit up to the builder to determine various things such as the locations for thestrut/leg mounting pads, type and style of water rudder, rudder control cables,and a few other things. When I got my plans years ago, there weren't manyprefab rudders available but nowadays there seem to be some that can be adaptedfrom kayaks and other such craft.The MukTuk float plans are scaled up or down depending on the required displacement.Are the ones you'll be building scaled for the Air Camper's displacement?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Oscar and MikeYes these are the Muk Tuk floats. I will take a pic at least everyday, I will add one extra bulkhead and I have a lot to figure out yet..Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Oscar and MikeYes these are the Muk Tuk floats. I will take a pic at least everyday, I will add one extra bulkhead and I have a lot to figure out yet..Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Chris,David has been fun to hang with. He is very interested in the people, their stories/historyand all airplanes, Antiques/Homebuilts and otherwise. It willbe great to have him at our airport. I think I still owe you a ride. I don't remember you going up with me last year.We'll get you up this time. See you in June,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:25:59 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF
Chris,David has been fun to hang with. He is very interested in the people, their stories/historyand all airplanes, Antiques/Homebuilts and otherwise. It willbe great to have him at our airport. I think I still owe you a ride. I don't remember you going up with me last year.We'll get you up this time. See you in June,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:25:59 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF
Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
If the structure is sound, just leave it alone. The nails and stain will not hurtanything. Adding compounds to remove stain can damage the wood fibers.I think the staining with some varnish applied over them will give it an antiquelook. You can always paint. Move forward, not backwards ;)WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF
If the structure is sound, just leave it alone. The nails and stain will not hurtanything. Adding compounds to remove stain can damage the wood fibers.I think the staining with some varnish applied over them will give it an antiquelook. You can always paint. Move forward, not backwards ;)WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF