Original Posted By: Mike
Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood fuselage?Without fittings and landing gear or tail feathers, just the framework with allthe plywood and gussets installed, but without seats.We have our second steel fuselage welded up now and the question came up aboutweight. Our regular work night is Monday and we plan to take scales and weighup a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post the weight on Tuesday.Barry Davis________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:53:21 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motorcycle wheels
Re: Pietenpol-List: Motorcycle wheels
Pietenpol-List: Fin/Rudder Dimensions
Original Posted By: Michael Green
I am building my wheels with wider hubs, I just like the way they look. But,I have seen evidence that motorcycle hubs can carry some side loads.Several years ago Calvin Brown from New England, won the Wright Brothersaward from the Dayton OH EAA chapter, you had to take your plane to Daytonto get the award. He had a nice one piece wing, very to the plans, Pietwhich he trailered to Dayton than on to Brodhead. He had a ground loop atDayton.When he got to Brodhead there was still grass in the tire bead of one of hiswheels. The wheels appeared in otherwise good condition and he did someflying at Brodhead.So it seems that his motorcycle hub wheel was able to carry some side loadand not break.Skip________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:32:40 -0500Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fin/Rudder Dimensions(2.8 points)points) 'From' juno.com does not match 'Received' headersMike,You have saved yourself some extra work by noticing this discrepancy inthe empenage dimensions. Also, take into account that the rudder wheninstalled with hinges is approx 1/2 in. from the fin and has atrapezoidal shape.I made my vertical fin and rudder to the dimensions on the plans. When Iplaced them on the fuselage I found that the rudder hung below thefuselage approximately 1-inch. I am now lining up the bottom of therudder with the bottom of the fuselage and installing the hinges. Thisleaves the rudder higher than the vertical fin, so I am adding a piece ofspruce to the top of the vertical fin. Some builders just let the rudderhang below the fuselage and that also works fine.Dick Hartwig_____________________________
I am building my wheels with wider hubs, I just like the way they look. But,I have seen evidence that motorcycle hubs can carry some side loads.Several years ago Calvin Brown from New England, won the Wright Brothersaward from the Dayton OH EAA chapter, you had to take your plane to Daytonto get the award. He had a nice one piece wing, very to the plans, Pietwhich he trailered to Dayton than on to Brodhead. He had a ground loop atDayton.When he got to Brodhead there was still grass in the tire bead of one of hiswheels. The wheels appeared in otherwise good condition and he did someflying at Brodhead.So it seems that his motorcycle hub wheel was able to carry some side loadand not break.Skip________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:32:40 -0500Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fin/Rudder Dimensions(2.8 points)points) 'From' juno.com does not match 'Received' headersMike,You have saved yourself some extra work by noticing this discrepancy inthe empenage dimensions. Also, take into account that the rudder wheninstalled with hinges is approx 1/2 in. from the fin and has atrapezoidal shape.I made my vertical fin and rudder to the dimensions on the plans. When Iplaced them on the fuselage I found that the rudder hung below thefuselage approximately 1-inch. I am now lining up the bottom of therudder with the bottom of the fuselage and installing the hinges. Thisleaves the rudder higher than the vertical fin, so I am adding a piece ofspruce to the top of the vertical fin. Some builders just let the rudderhang below the fuselage and that also works fine.Dick Hartwig_____________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
Original Posted By: Barry Davis
My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at 195lb. Thatincludes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear, aluminum cabanes, Grovewheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No instruments, fuel tank, seat belts,or control cables.here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completionhttp://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/07-19-03.htmI'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can someone else chimein with some fuse numbers??DJ VeghN74DV----- Original Message -----
My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at 195lb. Thatincludes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear, aluminum cabanes, Grovewheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No instruments, fuel tank, seat belts,or control cables.here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completionhttp://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/07-19-03.htmI'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can someone else chimein with some fuse numbers??DJ VeghN74DV----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Fin/Rudder Dimensions
Original Posted By: "Steve Eldredge"
> Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
Original Posted By: "Gary M. Colwill"
Sounds like we're pretty close DJ...I weighed my Piet ( not GN-1) last week. it's just like yours but with pilot's seat belt and harness, aux. wing tank, all instruments, trim system and motor mount but no rudder pedals or fire wall mine came in at 212#. Mine has a Heath tailwheel and Goodyear 6" wheels and brakes the motor mount is a bed mount for my Franklin ( a little heavier than a Continental mount). Ed G.>From: "DJ Vegh" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight>Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:03 -0700>>>My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at 195lb. >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear, aluminum >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No instruments, >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.>>here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completion>>http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... 3.htm>>I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can someone >else chime in with some fuse numbers??>>DJ Vegh>N74DV>>>----- Original Message ----->From: Barry Davis>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight>>>Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood fuselage?>Without fittings and landing gear or tail feathers, just the framework with >all the plywood and gussets installed, but without seats.>>We have our second steel fuselage welded up now and the question came up >about weight. Our regular work night is Monday and we plan to take scales >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post the weight on Tuesday.>>Barry Davis>>>>This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by >Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more >information on an anti-virus email solution, visit >.>>Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com________________________________________________________________________________
Sounds like we're pretty close DJ...I weighed my Piet ( not GN-1) last week. it's just like yours but with pilot's seat belt and harness, aux. wing tank, all instruments, trim system and motor mount but no rudder pedals or fire wall mine came in at 212#. Mine has a Heath tailwheel and Goodyear 6" wheels and brakes the motor mount is a bed mount for my Franklin ( a little heavier than a Continental mount). Ed G.>From: "DJ Vegh" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight>Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:03 -0700>>>My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at 195lb. >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear, aluminum >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No instruments, >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.>>here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completion>>http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... 3.htm>>I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can someone >else chime in with some fuse numbers??>>DJ Vegh>N74DV>>>----- Original Message ----->From: Barry Davis>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight>>>Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood fuselage?>Without fittings and landing gear or tail feathers, just the framework with >all the plywood and gussets installed, but without seats.>>We have our second steel fuselage welded up now and the question came up >about weight. Our regular work night is Monday and we plan to take scales >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post the weight on Tuesday.>>Barry Davis>>>>This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by >Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more >information on an anti-virus email solution, visit >.>>Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Fin/Rudder Dimensions
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Just curious - did the aircraft that BHP built have rudders that extendedbelow the tailpost? This seems to be more a "finish" issue than a "function"issue, but I'm curious to see how close the designer's planes are to theplans...Gary C.Chino, CA-----Original Message-----
Just curious - did the aircraft that BHP built have rudders that extendedbelow the tailpost? This seems to be more a "finish" issue than a "function"issue, but I'm curious to see how close the designer's planes are to theplans...Gary C.Chino, CA-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Fin/Rudder Dimensions
Original Posted By: Michael Green [mailto:mmml(at)bigpond.com]
Mike,Good catch. I found it the hard way. The way I handled the problem was toadd a filler strip to the bottom of the vertical fin, then to extend the finmountings so that the through bolts go to the spar instead of the filler.If I were doing it again, I'd extend the fin to make them match. Welcome tothe group. You'll have fun!Gene-----Original Message-----
Mike,Good catch. I found it the hard way. The way I handled the problem was toadd a filler strip to the bottom of the vertical fin, then to extend the finmountings so that the through bolts go to the spar instead of the filler.If I were doing it again, I'd extend the fin to make them match. Welcome tothe group. You'll have fun!Gene-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Fin/Rudder Dimensions
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Motorcycle wheels
Original Posted By: "Cy Galley"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motorcycle wheelsYour question is a good one! I have just mailed a little (1062 word) article to the BPA Newsletter on the subject of wire wheels. I plan to send a copy of it off-net to Ken Chambers so that I can attach it. In the article, I have a list of a dozen or so Piets that have been flying with motorcycle wheels. I have a pair of 19X4 BMW wheels on my Piet which is some 85% complete. The articleis somewhat inconclusive because I don't have the test data I need. I plan to run tests on a Kawasaki 21X3 wheel next spring. I think I can show that if the wheel can stand 1100 pounds sideload, the straight axle gear would collapsebefore the wheel would....Carl Vought________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motorcycle wheelsYour question is a good one! I have just mailed a little (1062 word) article to the BPA Newsletter on the subject of wire wheels. I plan to send a copy of it off-net to Ken Chambers so that I can attach it. In the article, I have a list of a dozen or so Piets that have been flying with motorcycle wheels. I have a pair of 19X4 BMW wheels on my Piet which is some 85% complete. The articleis somewhat inconclusive because I don't have the test data I need. I plan to run tests on a Kawasaki 21X3 wheel next spring. I think I can show that if the wheel can stand 1100 pounds sideload, the straight axle gear would collapsebefore the wheel would....Carl Vought________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Motorcycle wheels
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motorcycle wheelsSpeaking of wheels, I've purchased (on e-Bay) a pair of the solid disk cast aluminum wheels as used on Harley Davidson "Fat Boy" motorcycles. I like the 1920-ish airplane looks and I believe they are stronger than spoked wheels plusI won't have to worry about spoke maintenance, etc. They're a little heavy, which is okay on the front end of the plane, but I can lighten them a couple pounds by removing the sealed bearings and spacer inside the wheels. For just taxiing and landing and taking off, I don't think I need roller bearings -- justrun the wheel on the tube axle and keep 'em greased. Also, the brake rotors will bolt right to the wheels -- just need to fabricate the caliper mount. I'vealso found some smooth tread tires to use, too. Anyway, this is my wheel "solution" at the moment. Of course the proof is in the pudding, so in a year ortwo when my ship flies, I'll report back. Happy New Year --and Happy Landings -- to all! Fred B.La Crosse, WI________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:22:42 -0500
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motorcycle wheelsSpeaking of wheels, I've purchased (on e-Bay) a pair of the solid disk cast aluminum wheels as used on Harley Davidson "Fat Boy" motorcycles. I like the 1920-ish airplane looks and I believe they are stronger than spoked wheels plusI won't have to worry about spoke maintenance, etc. They're a little heavy, which is okay on the front end of the plane, but I can lighten them a couple pounds by removing the sealed bearings and spacer inside the wheels. For just taxiing and landing and taking off, I don't think I need roller bearings -- justrun the wheel on the tube axle and keep 'em greased. Also, the brake rotors will bolt right to the wheels -- just need to fabricate the caliper mount. I'vealso found some smooth tread tires to use, too. Anyway, this is my wheel "solution" at the moment. Of course the proof is in the pudding, so in a year ortwo when my ship flies, I'll report back. Happy New Year --and Happy Landings -- to all! Fred B.La Crosse, WI________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:22:42 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Motorcycle wheels
Original Posted By: TBYH(at)aol.com
Fred...Did you mean you've found a couple of smooth tires or a SOURCE of smoothtires? If so, I'd like to find out where I can get some.....Good luck with thewheels...Sounds most interesting...Carl ----- Original Message -----
Fred...Did you mean you've found a couple of smooth tires or a SOURCE of smoothtires? If so, I'd like to find out where I can get some.....Good luck with thewheels...Sounds most interesting...Carl ----- Original Message -----
> Pietenpol-List: Motorcycle wheels
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
> > Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight
Original Posted By: "Jon Botsford"
> >> >> >My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at 195lb. > > >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear, aluminum > >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No instruments, > >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.> >> >here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completion> >> >http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... -19-03.htm> >> >I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can someone > >else chime in with some fuse numbers??> >> >DJ Vegh> >N74DV> >> >> >----- Original Message -----> >From: Barry Davis> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> >> >> >> >Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood fuselage?> >Without fittings and landing gear or tail feathers, just the framework with> > >all the plywood and gussets installed, but without seats.> >> >We have our second steel fuselage welded up now and the question came up > >about weight. Our regular work night is Monday and we plan to take scales > >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post the weight on Tuesday.> >> >Barry Davis> >> >> >>This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by> > >Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more > >information on an anti-virus email solution, visit > >.> >> >> > Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. > https://broadband.msn.com> > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------________________________________________________________________________________
> >> >> >My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at 195lb. > > >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear, aluminum > >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No instruments, > >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.> >> >here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completion> >> >http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... -19-03.htm> >> >I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can someone > >else chime in with some fuse numbers??> >> >DJ Vegh> >N74DV> >> >> >----- Original Message -----> >From: Barry Davis> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> >> >> >> >Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood fuselage?> >Without fittings and landing gear or tail feathers, just the framework with> > >all the plywood and gussets installed, but without seats.> >> >We have our second steel fuselage welded up now and the question came up > >about weight. Our regular work night is Monday and we plan to take scales > >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post the weight on Tuesday.> >> >Barry Davis> >> >> >>This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by> > >Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more > >information on an anti-virus email solution, visit > >.> >> >> > Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. > https://broadband.msn.com> > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------________________________________________________________________________________