Original Posted By: "Hodgson, Mark O"
Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning
Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning
Original Posted By: "walt evans"
7, 2002) at 01/30/2004 03:23:09 PMHey Mark: Where exactley are you located? I know a place on the South Shorewith very reasonable hangar fees.John Dupreysitting in my office in Copley Sq."Hodgson, Mark O" (at)matronics.com on 01/30/2004 02:07:45 PMPlease respond to pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.comcc:Subject: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planningSomething that's been in the back of my mind but won't go away is theultimate hangar value question. Around here (Beantown, MA) suburbanhangar rental seems to be something like 200 - 400/month. Tie-downshere can be almost reasonable (75 at one strip, for example). In a fewyears at those hangar rates you pay more for the space than for thePiet. Soooooo--just how much of a sin is it to tie down awood-and-fabric aircraft? The books say don't do it, but I notice thatsome people do do it, and wonder if there are good inspection andmaintenance procedures to ensure you don't ultimately wind up like KnuteRockne (whose Fokker had dry-rot in its spars).Mark Hodgson________________________________________________________________________________
7, 2002) at 01/30/2004 03:23:09 PMHey Mark: Where exactley are you located? I know a place on the South Shorewith very reasonable hangar fees.John Dupreysitting in my office in Copley Sq."Hodgson, Mark O" (at)matronics.com on 01/30/2004 02:07:45 PMPlease respond to pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.comcc:Subject: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planningSomething that's been in the back of my mind but won't go away is theultimate hangar value question. Around here (Beantown, MA) suburbanhangar rental seems to be something like 200 - 400/month. Tie-downshere can be almost reasonable (75 at one strip, for example). In a fewyears at those hangar rates you pay more for the space than for thePiet. Soooooo--just how much of a sin is it to tie down awood-and-fabric aircraft? The books say don't do it, but I notice thatsome people do do it, and wonder if there are good inspection andmaintenance procedures to ensure you don't ultimately wind up like KnuteRockne (whose Fokker had dry-rot in its spars).Mark Hodgson________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning
Original Posted By: "Hodgson, Mark O"
Mark...... It's a CRIME to park it outside. Unfortunately, you need to paythe price.....and try to find someone to share it with.Your plane will appreciate it by providing you with lots of hours of troublefree flying....And it stays much cleaner when you park it inside.Weav----- Original Message -----
Mark...... It's a CRIME to park it outside. Unfortunately, you need to paythe price.....and try to find someone to share it with.Your plane will appreciate it by providing you with lots of hours of troublefree flying....And it stays much cleaner when you park it inside.Weav----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning
Original Posted By: "Hodgson, Mark O"
Mark,Not alot of airports will let you, but ours allows fabric hangers. So youpay for an outside tiedown and put up your own "building". My Piet is inone 30'wide X 20' deep. Now it's out of the sun and elements, snug as abug. It's worth everything for your peace of mind.When you go asking, make sure you're armed with some good Piet pics. Theymay give you the cold shoulder if they think they're getting "another 150" ,But when they see the Piet in progress, you'll get nothing but picturespassed around to everybody.One airport in Jersey "Trinca" the manager keeps bugging me to relocatethere, where he's leaning toward the classic taildraggers.And at Sussex up north, home of the sussex airshow, the manager asked me tobe in the show as a "between the acts" antique fly-by.Good Luck!"Cover-it" is the brand I used.walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----
Mark,Not alot of airports will let you, but ours allows fabric hangers. So youpay for an outside tiedown and put up your own "building". My Piet is inone 30'wide X 20' deep. Now it's out of the sun and elements, snug as abug. It's worth everything for your peace of mind.When you go asking, make sure you're armed with some good Piet pics. Theymay give you the cold shoulder if they think they're getting "another 150" ,But when they see the Piet in progress, you'll get nothing but picturespassed around to everybody.One airport in Jersey "Trinca" the manager keeps bugging me to relocatethere, where he's leaning toward the classic taildraggers.And at Sussex up north, home of the sussex airshow, the manager asked me tobe in the show as a "between the acts" antique fly-by.Good Luck!"Cover-it" is the brand I used.walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning
Original Posted By: "Hodgson, Mark O"
I hate to be a party pooper but you DON'T want to put your baby outside. Ihave been all over a wood wing Mooney and an old PT that only spent a coupleof seasons outside and they were JUNK. If the dry rot, mold or mildewdoesn't end up killing you in a related failure you will have a heart attackwhen you inspect and find all your work has turned to junk (all of thisshould be disregarded if you live in the desert southwest, just build a sunshade for it). There IS however hope. How about building an enclosedtrailer? If you use the 3 piece wing you should be able to build a box forher to keep her dry and several people could put trailers in one tie down(drops the price to $25 a month!!!). Trailers are simple after you havebuilt a plane and seems like I saw one the guy put doors in so he could putit in with the wings spread then buttoned it up with the wings sticking outand put covers on them. Good solution if you are flying pretty regular.Just go out at the end of the season and fold her up. Winter time you dragher home and save even more.Hank----- Original Message -----
I hate to be a party pooper but you DON'T want to put your baby outside. Ihave been all over a wood wing Mooney and an old PT that only spent a coupleof seasons outside and they were JUNK. If the dry rot, mold or mildewdoesn't end up killing you in a related failure you will have a heart attackwhen you inspect and find all your work has turned to junk (all of thisshould be disregarded if you live in the desert southwest, just build a sunshade for it). There IS however hope. How about building an enclosedtrailer? If you use the 3 piece wing you should be able to build a box forher to keep her dry and several people could put trailers in one tie down(drops the price to $25 a month!!!). Trailers are simple after you havebuilt a plane and seems like I saw one the guy put doors in so he could putit in with the wings spread then buttoned it up with the wings sticking outand put covers on them. Good solution if you are flying pretty regular.Just go out at the end of the season and fold her up. Winter time you dragher home and save even more.Hank----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning
Original Posted By: "Kevin Holcomb"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planningPieters: The light at the end of the tunnel has alerted me to a need to house this airplane somewhere. I have gotten interested in a company from Boone, NC named US-Buildings..(800/463-6062). They have five styles of steel buildings which appear to be simple to erect..(unlike some other aspects of my life). One of these styles is reminiscent of B. Pietenpols hanger in Cherry Grove (nowat Oshkosh). I would be very interested to hear of any experiences any of you may have with this company or with this style of building. At the prices they were quoting, I figure it will pay for itself within five years............CAVU Carl Vought________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planningPieters: The light at the end of the tunnel has alerted me to a need to house this airplane somewhere. I have gotten interested in a company from Boone, NC named US-Buildings..(800/463-6062). They have five styles of steel buildings which appear to be simple to erect..(unlike some other aspects of my life). One of these styles is reminiscent of B. Pietenpols hanger in Cherry Grove (nowat Oshkosh). I would be very interested to hear of any experiences any of you may have with this company or with this style of building. At the prices they were quoting, I figure it will pay for itself within five years............CAVU Carl Vought________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning
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I recently purchased a 50x50 straight sided quonset hut. There are a number ofcompanies with very similar products, all of them reluctant to initially quotea price but eager to beat their competitors price. Spend a few months and playthem off each other. My experience was that the 'special, good this weekonly price' was still available the next month. Expect a lot of carrying on,'special deals', 'buy now before the price of steel goes up', etc from the salesmen.Ignore all of the carrying on and just keep going back and forth. Thefinal price I paid was about half of the first quote I received.My building is not complete yet, so far 17 out of 25 arches are up. I startedon Dec 26 and have worked evenings and weekends as I have a day job. An archper full day of work is about what it works out to. Mostly it has just been mywife and I; you will need someone to hold the nuts. At least with my building(which is 50 ft wide and thicker than usual to meet Florida's wind codes) Ifound the instructions that show the arches being assembled on the ground tobe a joke as the arches would buckle under their own weight. Instead I have beenbuilding the arches in place. With large holes in the metal and small boltsmost of them go through with little trouble. A couple of drift pins help alot. When you price the job out do not forget to add in the concrete for thepad as that came to around 2/3 the cost of my building. Also expect to renta man lift (scissor type) for a couple of months during assembly and a forkliftfor a day to unload the truck when it arrives. Doo rs are also quite expensive. The good news is that there are no difficult skillsto master, no heavy lifting, and little heavy equipment.A frame steel building with siding would probably have gone together faster, howeverthat would have involved heavy equipment that I do not have. The thoughtof a collection of 50 ft beems being dropped in my yard and having to figureout how to get them in position 16 feet in the air makes a quonset look greatto me.Kevinwww.airminded.net----- Original Message -----
I recently purchased a 50x50 straight sided quonset hut. There are a number ofcompanies with very similar products, all of them reluctant to initially quotea price but eager to beat their competitors price. Spend a few months and playthem off each other. My experience was that the 'special, good this weekonly price' was still available the next month. Expect a lot of carrying on,'special deals', 'buy now before the price of steel goes up', etc from the salesmen.Ignore all of the carrying on and just keep going back and forth. Thefinal price I paid was about half of the first quote I received.My building is not complete yet, so far 17 out of 25 arches are up. I startedon Dec 26 and have worked evenings and weekends as I have a day job. An archper full day of work is about what it works out to. Mostly it has just been mywife and I; you will need someone to hold the nuts. At least with my building(which is 50 ft wide and thicker than usual to meet Florida's wind codes) Ifound the instructions that show the arches being assembled on the ground tobe a joke as the arches would buckle under their own weight. Instead I have beenbuilding the arches in place. With large holes in the metal and small boltsmost of them go through with little trouble. A couple of drift pins help alot. When you price the job out do not forget to add in the concrete for thepad as that came to around 2/3 the cost of my building. Also expect to renta man lift (scissor type) for a couple of months during assembly and a forkliftfor a day to unload the truck when it arrives. Doo rs are also quite expensive. The good news is that there are no difficult skillsto master, no heavy lifting, and little heavy equipment.A frame steel building with siding would probably have gone together faster, howeverthat would have involved heavy equipment that I do not have. The thoughtof a collection of 50 ft beems being dropped in my yard and having to figureout how to get them in position 16 feet in the air makes a quonset look greatto me.Kevinwww.airminded.net----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning
Original Posted By: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planningKevin....I appreciate your comments and experience. You took on quite an ambitious project with the size of that hangar. My plans are much more timid. Iplan to put up a building that's just large enough for my Piet. I'll keep in mind what you said about playing one vendor against another..smart move...'workstoo!....Carl Vought________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planningKevin....I appreciate your comments and experience. You took on quite an ambitious project with the size of that hangar. My plans are much more timid. Iplan to put up a building that's just large enough for my Piet. I'll keep in mind what you said about playing one vendor against another..smart move...'workstoo!....Carl Vought________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning
Original Posted By: Kevin Holcomb
Kevin,I found your description of your hangar construction quite informative and pertinent.Where are you located in Florida?If you could reply, my address is pietlars(at)earthlink.netRegards,Lou Larsen ----- Original Message -----
Kevin,I found your description of your hangar construction quite informative and pertinent.Where are you located in Florida?If you could reply, my address is pietlars(at)earthlink.netRegards,Lou Larsen ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning
Original Posted By: dave rowe