Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
Pietenpol-List: PIET AS A ULTRALIGHT
Re: Pietenpol-List: PIET AS A ULTRALIGHT
Original Posted By: "Les Schubert"
Yes I know that there are several countries that have been way ahead of theUS in rules and regs in this area. The new sport pilot will come in realclose to what you guys have had for a long time.Our 103 Rules for ultralight will stay the same, No license or medicalrequired but the plane has to be under 254 lbs, one seat and under 5 gal offuel. We could operate a two seat aircraft under 490 lbs for training onlywith a FAA exemption.There are alot of people waiting for sport. this will stop the need formedical and put alot of guys back in the air.Thanks for the update----- Original Message -----
Yes I know that there are several countries that have been way ahead of theUS in rules and regs in this area. The new sport pilot will come in realclose to what you guys have had for a long time.Our 103 Rules for ultralight will stay the same, No license or medicalrequired but the plane has to be under 254 lbs, one seat and under 5 gal offuel. We could operate a two seat aircraft under 490 lbs for training onlywith a FAA exemption.There are alot of people waiting for sport. this will stop the need formedical and put alot of guys back in the air.Thanks for the update----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet ride
Original Posted By: "Michael D Cuy"
Mike,Thanks,,,That makes me feel better!walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----
Mike,Thanks,,,That makes me feel better!walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: PIET AS A ULTRALIGHT
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Les and Group,While it is true that anything with a maximum weight of 1200 lbs, or less,and a power-off stalling/landing speed of 45 mph, or less, can qualify as anultralight aircraft in Canada, and can be flown with an Ultralight PilotPermit, there are some things that deserve comment:1. The self-declared medical document contains a comprehensive list ofmedical conditions and comparitively few individuals can truthfully certifythat they have never suffered from any of them--particularly after they getolder. A false declaration can result in a severe penalty, so beware! A UPPis valid for 5 years unless, of course, you suffer from any of theaforementioned conditions during that period. (There is no real assurancethat medical records remain confidential nowadays.)2. The Ultralight Pilot Permit does not permit the carriage of passengers,unless they, too, are licensed pilots holding the minimum of an UPP.3. If your aircraft is classified as a Basic Ultralight (BULA), you mustwear a "hard" helmet (not a bad idea). But you are free from some otherequipment requirements pertaining to amateur-built and certified aircraftcategories (ELTs, aircraft checklists, handheld fire extinguishers, aircraftfirst aid kit, etc.). These items are therefore optional, but desirable.On the surface these seem to be reasonable requirements, and they are withthe exception of the medical one. As long as one is lucky enough to be freefrom the listed medical conditions and can truthfully declare that this isthe case, all is well. But if one develops a medical problem, the Category 4Medical will no longer suffice and the individual will have to pass aCategory 3medical done by an aviation medical examiner, and it doesn't seem possibleto revert to the Category 4 medical status after this happens. So thehapless individual now has to pass a medical that would qualify him/her fora higher licence, even though only a UPP is desired/needed!For about six years, I operated with a Recreational Pilot Permit until Ideveloped a medical problem listed in the self-declared section, and had to"jump through hoops" and pass a Category 3 medical, which I managed to do.So now I have my Private Pilot Licence back because there is absolutely nopoint in bothering with the Recreational Pilot Permit (or a UPP, for thatmatter) because the medical requirement "bar" has been raised. And now Ihave to renew my PPL every year just to fly my Pietenpol which qualifies asan "ultralight" in Canada. Basically, there is no difference in the medicalrequirements between a Cat. 3 and Cat. 4 excepting the self-declarationthing, and this compromises the feasibility of the Cat. 4 medical, the RPPand the UPP in this country.With the exception of the rather low weight (254 lbs) of the ultralightairplane in the USA, they are on the right track when no pilot licence orU/L aircraft registration is required to operate these machines. Hopefully,the Sport Pilot ticket will expand this freedom--and I hope it doesn't getscrewed-up the way our RPP and UPP concept was. In this land, it alwaysseems to be a case of "one step forward and two back"! However, I guess "Thegrass always looks greener over the other guy's cesspool."Having been honestly involved in aviation for a long time (since 1948), Idon't like to see a breeding ground for outlaw pilots, but it can happenbecause of blind over-regulation.Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)________________________________________________________________________________
Les and Group,While it is true that anything with a maximum weight of 1200 lbs, or less,and a power-off stalling/landing speed of 45 mph, or less, can qualify as anultralight aircraft in Canada, and can be flown with an Ultralight PilotPermit, there are some things that deserve comment:1. The self-declared medical document contains a comprehensive list ofmedical conditions and comparitively few individuals can truthfully certifythat they have never suffered from any of them--particularly after they getolder. A false declaration can result in a severe penalty, so beware! A UPPis valid for 5 years unless, of course, you suffer from any of theaforementioned conditions during that period. (There is no real assurancethat medical records remain confidential nowadays.)2. The Ultralight Pilot Permit does not permit the carriage of passengers,unless they, too, are licensed pilots holding the minimum of an UPP.3. If your aircraft is classified as a Basic Ultralight (BULA), you mustwear a "hard" helmet (not a bad idea). But you are free from some otherequipment requirements pertaining to amateur-built and certified aircraftcategories (ELTs, aircraft checklists, handheld fire extinguishers, aircraftfirst aid kit, etc.). These items are therefore optional, but desirable.On the surface these seem to be reasonable requirements, and they are withthe exception of the medical one. As long as one is lucky enough to be freefrom the listed medical conditions and can truthfully declare that this isthe case, all is well. But if one develops a medical problem, the Category 4Medical will no longer suffice and the individual will have to pass aCategory 3medical done by an aviation medical examiner, and it doesn't seem possibleto revert to the Category 4 medical status after this happens. So thehapless individual now has to pass a medical that would qualify him/her fora higher licence, even though only a UPP is desired/needed!For about six years, I operated with a Recreational Pilot Permit until Ideveloped a medical problem listed in the self-declared section, and had to"jump through hoops" and pass a Category 3 medical, which I managed to do.So now I have my Private Pilot Licence back because there is absolutely nopoint in bothering with the Recreational Pilot Permit (or a UPP, for thatmatter) because the medical requirement "bar" has been raised. And now Ihave to renew my PPL every year just to fly my Pietenpol which qualifies asan "ultralight" in Canada. Basically, there is no difference in the medicalrequirements between a Cat. 3 and Cat. 4 excepting the self-declarationthing, and this compromises the feasibility of the Cat. 4 medical, the RPPand the UPP in this country.With the exception of the rather low weight (254 lbs) of the ultralightairplane in the USA, they are on the right track when no pilot licence orU/L aircraft registration is required to operate these machines. Hopefully,the Sport Pilot ticket will expand this freedom--and I hope it doesn't getscrewed-up the way our RPP and UPP concept was. In this land, it alwaysseems to be a case of "one step forward and two back"! However, I guess "Thegrass always looks greener over the other guy's cesspool."Having been honestly involved in aviation for a long time (since 1948), Idon't like to see a breeding ground for outlaw pilots, but it can happenbecause of blind over-regulation.Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)________________________________________________________________________________