Original Posted By: alexms1(at)comcast.net
I don't recall seeing this subject discussed before. I have had my applicationform for the Aircraft Repairman sitting around and finally called about gettingthe rating. The examiner gave me an appointment for next week and told meto bring in all logs and be prepaired to discuss construction and that the oralinterview should take about an hour. Has anyone else had a similar going over?Do I just live in a area with very strict standards? Dick N ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairman
Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairman
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Richard,I have a Repair-man's certificate for my old RV-3 and one for my RV-6. Mine wereissued upon request when I applied for the Air worthiness certificate. Noquizzing of any sort. Hope you get this worked out.Alex S. -------------- Original message -------------- I don't recall seeing this subject discussed before. I have had my applicationform for the Aircraft Repairman sitting around and finally called about gettingthe rating. The examiner gave me an appointment for next week and told meto bring in all logs and be prepaired to discuss construction and that the oralinterview should take about an hour. Has anyone else had a similar going over?Do I just live in a area with very strict standards? Dick N Richard,I have a Repair-man's certificate formy old RV-3 and one for my RV-6.Mine were issued upon request when I applied for the Air worthiness certificate.No quizzing of any sort. Hope you get this workedout.Alex S.-------------- Original message -------------- I don't recall seeing this subjectdiscussedbefore. I have had my application form for the Aircraft Repairman sittingaround and finally called about getting the rating. The examiner gaveme an appointment for next week and told me to bring in all logs and be prepairedto discuss construction and that the oral interview should take about an hour.Has anyone else had a similar going over? Do I just live in aarea with very strict standards?Dick N________________________________________________________________________________
Richard,I have a Repair-man's certificate for my old RV-3 and one for my RV-6. Mine wereissued upon request when I applied for the Air worthiness certificate. Noquizzing of any sort. Hope you get this worked out.Alex S. -------------- Original message -------------- I don't recall seeing this subject discussed before. I have had my applicationform for the Aircraft Repairman sitting around and finally called about gettingthe rating. The examiner gave me an appointment for next week and told meto bring in all logs and be prepaired to discuss construction and that the oralinterview should take about an hour. Has anyone else had a similar going over?Do I just live in a area with very strict standards? Dick N Richard,I have a Repair-man's certificate formy old RV-3 and one for my RV-6.Mine were issued upon request when I applied for the Air worthiness certificate.No quizzing of any sort. Hope you get this workedout.Alex S.-------------- Original message -------------- I don't recall seeing this subjectdiscussedbefore. I have had my application form for the Aircraft Repairman sittingaround and finally called about getting the rating. The examiner gaveme an appointment for next week and told me to bring in all logs and be prepairedto discuss construction and that the oral interview should take about an hour.Has anyone else had a similar going over? Do I just live in aarea with very strict standards?Dick N________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairman
Original Posted By: "Bert Conoly"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairmanSomething some of us older Pieters learned during the wars, " he who asks questions, gets trouble "Get a DAR________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairmanSomething some of us older Pieters learned during the wars, " he who asks questions, gets trouble "Get a DAR________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairman
Original Posted By: Richard Navratil
Dick. It sounds like you're just dealing with typical beaurocratic FAA crap. I thought that typically one could simply apply for the repairman certificateat the time of inspection/airworthiness certificate. That's what I am doing.You should ask that "examiner" how many airplanes he's built and flown. Tell himto call you Monday for an appointment so he can block out an hour of HIS time,come to your hangar, and you'll give him an hours instruction on how to buildan airplane. Tell him you'll even do it at no charge - cause your a niceguy.I'll send you the rest of MY ADVICE off list.See ya,Bert ----- Original Message -----
Dick. It sounds like you're just dealing with typical beaurocratic FAA crap. I thought that typically one could simply apply for the repairman certificateat the time of inspection/airworthiness certificate. That's what I am doing.You should ask that "examiner" how many airplanes he's built and flown. Tell himto call you Monday for an appointment so he can block out an hour of HIS time,come to your hangar, and you'll give him an hours instruction on how to buildan airplane. Tell him you'll even do it at no charge - cause your a niceguy.I'll send you the rest of MY ADVICE off list.See ya,Bert ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairman
Original Posted By: Richard Navratil
I kept a photo log and web page of my construction process. (Make sure youhave a few pictures with yourself in it, doing the work!) Links to thepages were included with the paperwork. There was also a day-by-day log forthe first half of the project (where you are making lots of parts).The inspector stated that it was obvious that I did the work and wasqualified to get the repairman's certificate. He completed the paperworkfor the repairnman's certificate immediately following the airframeinspection, and the card showed up a month or two later. You don't need thecard until it comes time for the condition inspection.The concern is that there are people who have purchased projects that do nothave the complete skillset required to do a conditional inspection. If youhave reasonable documentation that you did the work, there should be noconcerns. If you have no documentation, they may be looking for enoughdemonstration of knowledge about the building process.-Norm ----- Original Message -----
I kept a photo log and web page of my construction process. (Make sure youhave a few pictures with yourself in it, doing the work!) Links to thepages were included with the paperwork. There was also a day-by-day log forthe first half of the project (where you are making lots of parts).The inspector stated that it was obvious that I did the work and wasqualified to get the repairman's certificate. He completed the paperworkfor the repairnman's certificate immediately following the airframeinspection, and the card showed up a month or two later. You don't need thecard until it comes time for the condition inspection.The concern is that there are people who have purchased projects that do nothave the complete skillset required to do a conditional inspection. If youhave reasonable documentation that you did the work, there should be noconcerns. If you have no documentation, they may be looking for enoughdemonstration of knowledge about the building process.-Norm ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairman
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairman
Original Posted By: "cgalley"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairmanWhen I built my first airplane, an Avid Sportster, the FSDO guy came down, spent 10 minutes looking at my jewel and my extensive logs and picture. He droveoff, I flew my bird and received my Repairman's Certificate in the mail about 90 days later without having to rub my tummy, pat my head and/or say the alphabet backwards nor naming all 50 states in 20 seconds.I think you have a horse's rear end giving you a double dose of grief.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairmanWhen I built my first airplane, an Avid Sportster, the FSDO guy came down, spent 10 minutes looking at my jewel and my extensive logs and picture. He droveoff, I flew my bird and received my Repairman's Certificate in the mail about 90 days later without having to rub my tummy, pat my head and/or say the alphabet backwards nor naming all 50 states in 20 seconds.I think you have a horse's rear end giving you a double dose of grief.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairman
Original Posted By: NEMuzzy
That's exactly the way it's supposed to work. The inspector conducts and interviewwith the applicant in order to determine the applicant's level of knowledgeof the aircraft and it's construction and systems. Providing that the applicantexhibits the proper level of knowledge, the certificate will be issued.Pictures I believe are now a requirement.If you get a certificate without showing some how that you did build and are competentto maintain, then the inspector is being lazy and not doing a good job.If he can't follow those regs, how good an inspection of your plane are you getting?Is the plane really airworthy or has he just signed it off to get rid ofyou? But some can tell if you built it and are capable at the time of the inspection.Cy GalleyEAA Safety Programs EditorAlways looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message -----
That's exactly the way it's supposed to work. The inspector conducts and interviewwith the applicant in order to determine the applicant's level of knowledgeof the aircraft and it's construction and systems. Providing that the applicantexhibits the proper level of knowledge, the certificate will be issued.Pictures I believe are now a requirement.If you get a certificate without showing some how that you did build and are competentto maintain, then the inspector is being lazy and not doing a good job.If he can't follow those regs, how good an inspection of your plane are you getting?Is the plane really airworthy or has he just signed it off to get rid ofyou? But some can tell if you built it and are capable at the time of the inspection.Cy GalleyEAA Safety Programs EditorAlways looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairman
Original Posted By: cgalley
The guys aren't there to bust chops, they just have to be sure that you built itand didn't just buy a project 99% done. The guy that I was given at the FAAfacility was a 777 inspector. Kind of laughed and said he usually did the "bigiron". So he had to go get the list of things required. Everything that Ihad was good except the paper said I needed a building log which he took foran itemized, daily log. I spent the next few weeks fabricating one from memory,reciepts,and dated photos. Real pain in the neck to do.When I returned back to the FAA, I was told at the desk that my "agent" was busyand she would go get the "duty agent of the day". Another nice guy. When Ilaid all my stuff on the table, he glanced at some pictures , some glue samples,and some welding samples.After some questions, he started to fill out the paperwork. NOT ONCE did he mentionthe builders log laying in front of him. Go figure!"Life is like a box of chocolates"walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
The guys aren't there to bust chops, they just have to be sure that you built itand didn't just buy a project 99% done. The guy that I was given at the FAAfacility was a 777 inspector. Kind of laughed and said he usually did the "bigiron". So he had to go get the list of things required. Everything that Ihad was good except the paper said I needed a building log which he took foran itemized, daily log. I spent the next few weeks fabricating one from memory,reciepts,and dated photos. Real pain in the neck to do.When I returned back to the FAA, I was told at the desk that my "agent" was busyand she would go get the "duty agent of the day". Another nice guy. When Ilaid all my stuff on the table, he glanced at some pictures , some glue samples,and some welding samples.After some questions, he started to fill out the paperwork. NOT ONCE did he mentionthe builders log laying in front of him. Go figure!"Life is like a box of chocolates"walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairman
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
I'm sorry to disagree but the FSDO man is following the guide lines and doing hisjob the way it is supposed to be done. Why cause problems as he can deny thecertificate and then how do you get it?Some one said, "Don't ruffle the feathers of the eagle!"Cy GalleyEAA Safety Programs EditorAlways looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message -----
I'm sorry to disagree but the FSDO man is following the guide lines and doing hisjob the way it is supposed to be done. Why cause problems as he can deny thecertificate and then how do you get it?Some one said, "Don't ruffle the feathers of the eagle!"Cy GalleyEAA Safety Programs EditorAlways looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairman
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
RE: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairman
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
I just returned from my FAA interview which went just fine. After the variouscomments on the list here which I very much appreciate, I realize there are bigdifferences around the country in how inspectors handle many of their duties.One big reason for this might be the type of FAA office we deal with. Theoffice that I went to for this certificate is located at the Minneapolis airportwhich is home base for Northwest Airlines. There was a steady stream of peoplecoming in for airline related ratings. Technicians in avionics shops, propellerrepairs or other specialty fields who arent an A&P need to be an AircraftRepairman. Things in the larger FAA offices just need to be more formal. My airworthieness inspection was by the Aircraft Manufacturing office and thiswas by Flight Standards. I suspect anyone going to Atlanta, Dallas or other airlinebases will run into the same.The interview was about 15 minutes while I filled out a second copy of the applicationand he went thru my builders log and operations manual and asked a fewquestioins about wing construction and dihedrial. He was impressed with my Harleywheels and asked about what areas I had help with. I got the impressionthat he just wanted to be sure that I didn't just buy a completed project andclaim to have built it.It was a pleasant experience, I didn't have to write a check and I've got my certificateso I'm happy.Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairmanDate: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:46:10 -0000
I just returned from my FAA interview which went just fine. After the variouscomments on the list here which I very much appreciate, I realize there are bigdifferences around the country in how inspectors handle many of their duties.One big reason for this might be the type of FAA office we deal with. Theoffice that I went to for this certificate is located at the Minneapolis airportwhich is home base for Northwest Airlines. There was a steady stream of peoplecoming in for airline related ratings. Technicians in avionics shops, propellerrepairs or other specialty fields who arent an A&P need to be an AircraftRepairman. Things in the larger FAA offices just need to be more formal. My airworthieness inspection was by the Aircraft Manufacturing office and thiswas by Flight Standards. I suspect anyone going to Atlanta, Dallas or other airlinebases will run into the same.The interview was about 15 minutes while I filled out a second copy of the applicationand he went thru my builders log and operations manual and asked a fewquestioins about wing construction and dihedrial. He was impressed with my Harleywheels and asked about what areas I had help with. I got the impressionthat he just wanted to be sure that I didn't just buy a completed project andclaim to have built it.It was a pleasant experience, I didn't have to write a check and I've got my certificateso I'm happy.Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: aircraft repairmanDate: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:46:10 -0000
RE: Pietenpol-List: aircraft
Original Posted By: Jim Ash