Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Howdy, folks;Working through the weight & balance on 41CC and looking at extreme forward and rearward C of G conditions in the spreadsheet (thanks, Bert and Nancy Conoly!), I've noticed a couple of things.1. There doesn't appear to be any loading that will bring the plane to max gross without shifting out of the aft C of G allowable range. This is good insofar as it will be nearly impossible to overload the airplane, but does indicate some care is required to keep the aft C of G in range. With 170 lb. pilot and 210 lb. passenger, minimum fuel (2 gal.), and min. oil, it's at maximum aft limit but still 183 lbs. under gross. I've shifted loads around (in the spreadsheet) and this seems to be worst aft C of G case that will still allow me to approach max. gross. Obviously, I can go up on the passenger weight, but as an example- at my present weight of 150 lbs., the spreadsheet says I can fit a 413 lb. passenger in the airplane and be at gross and within aft C of G limit. Problem is, you can't physically shoehorn a 413 lb. person into the passenger cockpit.2. Again checking aft C of G, at a "running on fumes" condition of minimum fuel and oil, the aft C of G is exceeded with a pilot any heavier than 175 lbs. unless there is a passenger aboard. This presents some operating limitations that have to be respected as well, such as at the end of a long 3. Checking maximum forward limit, with a full tank of fuel (16 gal.) and full oil, I need a minimum of a 107 lb. pilot to bring the C of G back to the forward limit. This would mean that the aircraft should be placarded "rear seat solo only" and should also have some sort of minimum pilot weight allowed when flying solo.Now, it would hardly make sense to try to solo the plane from the front hole anyway, since there are no instruments and no carb heat control up there. But just the same-! And as far as a minimum pilot weight, it is conceivable that a youngster, or a slightly built man or woman, might be too light to operate this aircraft within its forward C of G limit with full fuel. This would mean possibly running out of elevator in the flare or rotation... and a hard landing or an extended takeoff run.Anybody come up with similar loading cases in their W&B's? Mind you, the airplane still needs an official re-W&B after the rebuild is complete, but I'm looking at what-ifs. I guess if I forget all the mother hen stuff, this airplane can really handle a wide range of loading conditions and can safely carry a pilot and passenger, but there are some conditions to watch for. And I think I may just add a "rear seat solo only" placard to that lonely, bare front panel. Does anyone else have theirs placarded that way (not you Sky Scout guys)?Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: rear cockpit solo
Re: Pietenpol-List: rear cockpit solo
Original Posted By: "Bert Conoly"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rear cockpit soloOscar,What is the gross weight ?B.H.P. listed it at 1050 lbs.Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rear cockpit soloOscar,What is the gross weight ?B.H.P. listed it at 1050 lbs.Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: rear cockpit solo
Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Oscar. My DAR required a "solo rear seat only" placard. He suggestedputting it on the REAR panel. Now, just think about that... If you aresoloing the plane from the back then do you need to be warned not to solofrom the front?noIf some unknowing soul jumps in the FRONT seat to solo it, well, he's notgoing to see the placard and .. well you know the rest.So after I explained it, my DAR agreed it should be placarded in the frontpit.So I think you're correct - it needs to be placarded and should be in thefront pitBert.----- Original Message -----
Oscar. My DAR required a "solo rear seat only" placard. He suggestedputting it on the REAR panel. Now, just think about that... If you aresoloing the plane from the back then do you need to be warned not to solofrom the front?noIf some unknowing soul jumps in the FRONT seat to solo it, well, he's notgoing to see the placard and .. well you know the rest.So after I explained it, my DAR agreed it should be placarded in the frontpit.So I think you're correct - it needs to be placarded and should be in thefront pitBert.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tank & parts
Original Posted By: Bob Seibert
Bob, does this mean your yellow piet is no longer flying? What happened, I thoughtyou sold it?Chris TracySacramento, Ca ----- Original Message -----
Bob, does this mean your yellow piet is no longer flying? What happened, I thoughtyou sold it?Chris TracySacramento, Ca ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: rear cockpit solo
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Chuck "Baby Oil" G. asked->What is the gross weight ?>B.H.P. listed it at 1050 lbs.Corky showed aircraft gross weight as 1,185 lbs. on the dataplate in the cockpit and all weight & balance calcs were based on that number.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:17:48 -0700
Chuck "Baby Oil" G. asked->What is the gross weight ?>B.H.P. listed it at 1050 lbs.Corky showed aircraft gross weight as 1,185 lbs. on the dataplate in the cockpit and all weight & balance calcs were based on that number.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:17:48 -0700
Pietenpol-List: rear cockpit solo
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Re: Pietenpol-List: rear cockpit solo
Original Posted By: horzpool(at)goldengate.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DVHey, not only would your old man raise hell, but a whole mess of us TACOs and a bunch of them Damned Yankess would be pissed as well.I'd look into renting a hanger 150 miles away in some obscure town. I had a hanger in a small town about 3 hours away that cost me $35 a month! This was inChildress, Texas and the rates have sky-rocketed to $45 a month now (13 years later.) NO WAY IN HELL ARE YOU SELLING THAT AIRPLANE!You won't be living in Mesa all your life and some day you'll be in a part of the country that isn't growing so darned fast... then you would kick yourself for getting rid of your airplane.Seriously, if you had to park the airplane 300 miles away, you could make this work.If you were so darned far away, I'd let you park it here at my place. Something will give, just KEEP THE AIRPLANE.Isn't there an airport in Florence, AZ? If not, try Payson... but don't give up.Maybe I'll build a storage building at Knot-2-Shabby and you can park it here for free.Sterling________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:07:32 -0600 (CST)Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rear cockpit solo
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DVHey, not only would your old man raise hell, but a whole mess of us TACOs and a bunch of them Damned Yankess would be pissed as well.I'd look into renting a hanger 150 miles away in some obscure town. I had a hanger in a small town about 3 hours away that cost me $35 a month! This was inChildress, Texas and the rates have sky-rocketed to $45 a month now (13 years later.) NO WAY IN HELL ARE YOU SELLING THAT AIRPLANE!You won't be living in Mesa all your life and some day you'll be in a part of the country that isn't growing so darned fast... then you would kick yourself for getting rid of your airplane.Seriously, if you had to park the airplane 300 miles away, you could make this work.If you were so darned far away, I'd let you park it here at my place. Something will give, just KEEP THE AIRPLANE.Isn't there an airport in Florence, AZ? If not, try Payson... but don't give up.Maybe I'll build a storage building at Knot-2-Shabby and you can park it here for free.Sterling________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:07:32 -0600 (CST)Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rear cockpit solo
Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DV
Original Posted By: Galen Hutcheson
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DVArizona Pieter,In my short lifetime I've hitch hiked, railroaded, motored and flown over your fair state. In most places there is nothing, I mean nothing. Now is that flat desert so expensive that those 150 waiters couldn't find a little spot somewhere like 10 acres for sale or lease, post flags for a runway, build a fewpole sheds and you could build your own waiting list? Maybe America has passedme up but I'll be damned if I would give up because of no hangar space in Mesa and other close places. Anyone with enough guts to drive a Piet through their neighborhood should be able to find it a home in the desert. A Piet doesn't need hay or water. Talk to some dusters for advice.Corky, flying near the bayou in La________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:01:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on N74DVArizona Pieter,In my short lifetime I've hitch hiked, railroaded, motored and flown over your fair state. In most places there is nothing, I mean nothing. Now is that flat desert so expensive that those 150 waiters couldn't find a little spot somewhere like 10 acres for sale or lease, post flags for a runway, build a fewpole sheds and you could build your own waiting list? Maybe America has passedme up but I'll be damned if I would give up because of no hangar space in Mesa and other close places. Anyone with enough guts to drive a Piet through their neighborhood should be able to find it a home in the desert. A Piet doesn't need hay or water. Talk to some dusters for advice.Corky, flying near the bayou in La________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:01:00 -0800 (PST)