Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
I've just purchased land that measures 924' X 236'. Do you guys thinnk that this will be long enough for a runway if the approach is unobstructed? I'd like to use a C75 or C85 for power on my Piet. Thoughts suggestions? We are about 100' above sea level.Thanks,Scott RobisonCentral Illinois________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.
RE: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.With practice, you should be able to set it down on a normal power off landing and have 4 or 5 hundred feet remaining. Using a powered approach you should set it in and have 800 feet remaining.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:17:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.With practice, you should be able to set it down on a normal power off landing and have 4 or 5 hundred feet remaining. Using a powered approach you should set it in and have 800 feet remaining.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:17:50 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.
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Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
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Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Scott,Not to split hairs or anything but I grew up in Central Illinois and the elevations are more on the order of 600' above sea level. Not a real huge difference but I'm an engineer and we're kind of like that (ha ha). Also, you can eek out a little more length by orienting your strip diagonally on the parcel. It would give you 953' that way - probably not enough of an advantage to bisect the property like that.If you don't mind saying, where in central Illinois? I grew up in Lincoln, about 30 miles north of Springfield.Eric>From: "Robison Family" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: "Pietenpol-List Digest Server" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:40:37 -0500>>I've just purchased land that measures 924' X 236'. Do you guys thinnk >that this will be long enough for a runway if the approach is unobstructed? >I'd like to use a C75 or C85 for power on my Piet. Thoughts suggestions? >We are about 100' above sea level.>>Thanks,>>Scott Robison>Central Illinois________________________________________________________________________________
Scott,Not to split hairs or anything but I grew up in Central Illinois and the elevations are more on the order of 600' above sea level. Not a real huge difference but I'm an engineer and we're kind of like that (ha ha). Also, you can eek out a little more length by orienting your strip diagonally on the parcel. It would give you 953' that way - probably not enough of an advantage to bisect the property like that.If you don't mind saying, where in central Illinois? I grew up in Lincoln, about 30 miles north of Springfield.Eric>From: "Robison Family" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: "Pietenpol-List Digest Server" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:40:37 -0500>>I've just purchased land that measures 924' X 236'. Do you guys thinnk >that this will be long enough for a runway if the approach is unobstructed? >I'd like to use a C75 or C85 for power on my Piet. Thoughts suggestions? >We are about 100' above sea level.>>Thanks,>>Scott Robison>Central Illinois________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.In a message dated 6/14/2006 9:45:17 AM Central Standard Time, robisonfamily(at)consolidated.net writes:I've just purchased land that measures 924' X 236'. Do you guys thinnk that this will be long enough for a runway if the approach is unobstructed? I'dlike to use a C75 or C85 for power on my Piet. Thoughts suggestions? We are about 100' above sea level.Thanks,Scott RobisonCentral IllinoisThat's pretty short, but is certainly within performance limits. However, before you operate there, you Must have the experience to know how to handle theplane under these conditions.Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.In a message dated 6/14/2006 9:45:17 AM Central Standard Time, robisonfamily(at)consolidated.net writes:I've just purchased land that measures 924' X 236'. Do you guys thinnk that this will be long enough for a runway if the approach is unobstructed? I'dlike to use a C75 or C85 for power on my Piet. Thoughts suggestions? We are about 100' above sea level.Thanks,Scott RobisonCentral IllinoisThat's pretty short, but is certainly within performance limits. However, before you operate there, you Must have the experience to know how to handle theplane under these conditions.Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aging eyesight aidIn a message dated 6/14/2006 11:56:46 AM Central Standard Time, GCARDINAL(at)mn.rr.com writes:Who needs a GPS as long as water towers have names?I agree, but I was lost one time (GPS turned off, saving the only batteries) and spotted a water tower that was about 5 miles away. When I got there, it didn't have a name on it !! Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aging eyesight aidIn a message dated 6/14/2006 11:56:46 AM Central Standard Time, GCARDINAL(at)mn.rr.com writes:Who needs a GPS as long as water towers have names?I agree, but I was lost one time (GPS turned off, saving the only batteries) and spotted a water tower that was about 5 miles away. When I got there, it didn't have a name on it !! Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.
Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.In a message dated 6/14/2006 10:38:01 AM Central Standard Time, harvey.rule(at)bell.ca writes:Correct me if I am wrong but isn=99t the max weight for a Piet supposed to be 1129lbs?Bernard H. Pietenpol listed the gross weight at 1050 lbs.Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.In a message dated 6/14/2006 10:38:01 AM Central Standard Time, harvey.rule(at)bell.ca writes:Correct me if I am wrong but isn=99t the max weight for a Piet supposed to be 1129lbs?Bernard H. Pietenpol listed the gross weight at 1050 lbs.Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: Private airstrip for Piet.
Original Posted By: "Scott L. Robison"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.In a message dated 6/14/2006 12:17:30 PM Central Standard Time, harvey.rule(at)bell.ca writes:I was talking to another Piet owner out of Carp during our Flyin lastweekend and he mentioned that the elevator is constricted to 10degreesup elevator.I have no constriction on mine at all.It will come up to 45degrees when pulled all the way.Should I have constriction on this or isit just personal preference?Ten Degrees is not nearly enough up flipper (elevator). There is no way you would ever be able to do a full stall landing, or use it as aerodynamic braking.Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Private airstrip for Piet.Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:47:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.In a message dated 6/14/2006 12:17:30 PM Central Standard Time, harvey.rule(at)bell.ca writes:I was talking to another Piet owner out of Carp during our Flyin lastweekend and he mentioned that the elevator is constricted to 10degreesup elevator.I have no constriction on mine at all.It will come up to 45degrees when pulled all the way.Should I have constriction on this or isit just personal preference?Ten Degrees is not nearly enough up flipper (elevator). There is no way you would ever be able to do a full stall landing, or use it as aerodynamic braking.Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Private airstrip for Piet.Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:47:51 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Private airstrip for Piet.
Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
I agree with Chuck about 10 degrees being insufficient. NX18235 has no stops on the elevator. The DAR didn't have a problem with it.I'm finding that the elevator remains fully effective all the way through the flare and touchdown.The elevator / stabilizer gap is quite small which helps with elevator controllability.Dick Navratil can speak a little about sealing the elevator gap.Greg C. ----- Original Message -----
I agree with Chuck about 10 degrees being insufficient. NX18235 has no stops on the elevator. The DAR didn't have a problem with it.I'm finding that the elevator remains fully effective all the way through the flare and touchdown.The elevator / stabilizer gap is quite small which helps with elevator controllability.Dick Navratil can speak a little about sealing the elevator gap.Greg C. ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: gcardinal
I agree with Chuck and Greg about the elevator travle. No stops are advisable there. Sealing the gaps definetly changes the performance drastically. Gets the tail up faster and increases airspeed approx 2 mph.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
I agree with Chuck and Greg about the elevator travle. No stops are advisable there. Sealing the gaps definetly changes the performance drastically. Gets the tail up faster and increases airspeed approx 2 mph.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Phillips, Jack
JackThat reminds me of the time another Piet builder and myself flew our L-2 Taylorcraft home from an Airshow at Dobbins AFB in Atlanta where it was on display. It was about 98 degrees and the runway was about 10,000 feet long. We had no trouble leaving the airport and the Atlanta area, but back to Carrollton, we were following Interstate 20 to the west full power and all the windows closed just to maintain altitude. The Carrollton airport is just past a ridge and its elevation is a little higher than Atlanta. We found ourselves trying to make a decision to fly UNDER or try to make it over the Villa Rica exit bridge on I-20 which is right on top of that ridge. It was that close. I'm not going to confess what we did (in writing), but its a good story anyway.Barry Davis ----- Original Message -----
JackThat reminds me of the time another Piet builder and myself flew our L-2 Taylorcraft home from an Airshow at Dobbins AFB in Atlanta where it was on display. It was about 98 degrees and the runway was about 10,000 feet long. We had no trouble leaving the airport and the Atlanta area, but back to Carrollton, we were following Interstate 20 to the west full power and all the windows closed just to maintain altitude. The Carrollton airport is just past a ridge and its elevation is a little higher than Atlanta. We found ourselves trying to make a decision to fly UNDER or try to make it over the Villa Rica exit bridge on I-20 which is right on top of that ridge. It was that close. I'm not going to confess what we did (in writing), but its a good story anyway.Barry Davis ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: jimboyer(at)hughes.net
I initially used strips of duct tape just to see if there was really going to be a difference. I only sealed the elevator. Recently I cut strips of closed cell foam and installed.My problem had been that if I applied too much power on the take off roll the plane would want to fly before I had enough airspeed. I have 21" motorcycle wheels which makes for a severe angle of attack on the ground. It took a lot of stick pressure to get the tail up. Thats where I notice the biggest difference. I still advance the throttle slowly till I get rollling but the tail comes up much easier.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
I initially used strips of duct tape just to see if there was really going to be a difference. I only sealed the elevator. Recently I cut strips of closed cell foam and installed.My problem had been that if I applied too much power on the take off roll the plane would want to fly before I had enough airspeed. I have 21" motorcycle wheels which makes for a severe angle of attack on the ground. It took a lot of stick pressure to get the tail up. Thats where I notice the biggest difference. I still advance the throttle slowly till I get rollling but the tail comes up much easier.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----