Original Posted By: "Mark Blackwell"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CopyriteAs I sit here reading all the Bull-s--t about who or who does not hold a copyrighton idea's for building and flying a Pietenpol, that I would think everyoneshould and would want to pass this information on to all builder's both old andnew. And to hear that the old idea's and information should stay buried andnot be shared with the new builder's because someone cannot come up with newmaterial and is just pirating someone else's idea's is a bunch of CRAP! I thoughtthat this is what this was all about. If this is the way and attitude of mostof the Builder's and Flyer's of this network then I will quietly Build andFly my Pietenpol knowing that I did not infringe on anyone's Damn Copyright oruse there idea's or techniques to get my Plane finished. And all this time Ithought this was supposed to be a Fun thing to do between a group of people withthe same GOAL, To Build and Fly a Pietenpol. Bryan __________________________________________________________________Switch to Netscape Internet Service.As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/registerNetscape. Just the Net You Need.New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet ExplorerSearch from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups.Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/ ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Copyrite
Re: Pietenpol-List: Copyrite
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Copyrite>>As I sit here reading all the Bull-s--t about who or who does not >hold a copyright on idea's for building and flying a Pietenpol, that >I would think everyone should and would want to pass this >information on to all builder's both old and new. And to hear that >the old idea's and information should stay buried and not be shared >with the new builder's because someone cannot come up with new >material and is just pirating someone else's idea's is a bunch of >CRAP! I thought that this is what this was all about. If this is the >way and attitude of most of the Builder's and Flyer's of this >network then I will quietly Build and Fly my Pietenpol knowing that >I did not infringe on anyone's Damn Copyright or use there idea's or >techniques to get my Plane finished. And all this time I thought >this was supposed to be a Fun thing to do between a group of people >with the same GOAL, To Build and Fly a Pietenpol. BryanOk,So Grant M. 'owns' a copyright on the old BPA newsletters, fine, end of that particular subject.However, I think it's still strange that everyone says what a great thing Grant did for the community, etc., etc. when the graet thing that he did was edit a newsletter that he now says no one can have access to.I came into this project about the time Grant stopped editing the newsletter & the only thing he ever did for me personally was take my money & deliver no newsletters. If he was going to stop writiing, why didn't he let everyone know in advance so that people would not continue sending him money? It would have been easy to post something to that effect on his web site.I don't know what soured Grant, but I think it's a shame that he feels the way he does - his legacy would be so much greater if he let this information be freely shared.I'll say no more on this subject, I guess at this point it's been beaten to death.Kip G.-- North Canton, OH________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Copyrite>>As I sit here reading all the Bull-s--t about who or who does not >hold a copyright on idea's for building and flying a Pietenpol, that >I would think everyone should and would want to pass this >information on to all builder's both old and new. And to hear that >the old idea's and information should stay buried and not be shared >with the new builder's because someone cannot come up with new >material and is just pirating someone else's idea's is a bunch of >CRAP! I thought that this is what this was all about. If this is the >way and attitude of most of the Builder's and Flyer's of this >network then I will quietly Build and Fly my Pietenpol knowing that >I did not infringe on anyone's Damn Copyright or use there idea's or >techniques to get my Plane finished. And all this time I thought >this was supposed to be a Fun thing to do between a group of people >with the same GOAL, To Build and Fly a Pietenpol. BryanOk,So Grant M. 'owns' a copyright on the old BPA newsletters, fine, end of that particular subject.However, I think it's still strange that everyone says what a great thing Grant did for the community, etc., etc. when the graet thing that he did was edit a newsletter that he now says no one can have access to.I came into this project about the time Grant stopped editing the newsletter & the only thing he ever did for me personally was take my money & deliver no newsletters. If he was going to stop writiing, why didn't he let everyone know in advance so that people would not continue sending him money? It would have been easy to post something to that effect on his web site.I don't know what soured Grant, but I think it's a shame that he feels the way he does - his legacy would be so much greater if he let this information be freely shared.I'll say no more on this subject, I guess at this point it's been beaten to death.Kip G.-- North Canton, OH________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Copyrite
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CopyriteBryan,I think you might be missing the key point of this discussion (and if Ihave misinterpreted what you wrote, then I apologise). What iscopyrighted is not the ideas, but rather, the publication (thenewsletters themselves). Ideas cannot be copyrighted. There is no reasonwhy a new newsletter could not present "old ideas" to a new audience. Ihave seen a couple dozen Pietenpols up close, and I have yet to find twoalike, unless they were built together, at one time. Anyone is free tolook at any airplane and "borrow" whatever detail they like. And ifanyone wishes to submit an "idea" to a newsletter, they are free to doso. It wouldn't have to be a new "idea", or even their own "idea".As for the attitude of the builders and flyers of this network, I havenever been involved with a group that was as friendly, welcoming andwilling to help and share as this group. I have not met anyone yet thatwas secretive about the details of their plane. In fact, most will gothat extra mile to help, or share their knowledge.And you're right, this is supposed to be a FUN thing, so let's not gethung up on publishing copyrights. Let's focus on building, flying andcamaraderie.Bill C.-----Original Message-----[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf OfPlncrzy3(at)netscape.netSent: June 26, 2006 9:16 PMAs I sit here reading all the Bull-s--t about who or who does not hold acopyright on idea's for building and flying a Pietenpol, that I wouldthink everyone should and would want to pass this information on to allbuilder's both old and new. And to hear that the old idea's andinformation should stay buried and not be shared with the new builder'sbecause someone cannot come up with new material and is just piratingsomeone else's idea's is a bunch of CRAP! I thought that this is whatthis was all about. If this is the way and attitude of most of theBuilder's and Flyer's of this network then I will quietly Build and Flymy Pietenpol knowing that I did not infringe on anyone's Damn Copyrightor use there idea's or techniques to get my Plane finished. And all thistime I thought this was supposed to be a Fun thing to do between a groupof people with the same GOAL, To Build and Fly a Pietenpol. Bryan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CopyriteBryan,I think you might be missing the key point of this discussion (and if Ihave misinterpreted what you wrote, then I apologise). What iscopyrighted is not the ideas, but rather, the publication (thenewsletters themselves). Ideas cannot be copyrighted. There is no reasonwhy a new newsletter could not present "old ideas" to a new audience. Ihave seen a couple dozen Pietenpols up close, and I have yet to find twoalike, unless they were built together, at one time. Anyone is free tolook at any airplane and "borrow" whatever detail they like. And ifanyone wishes to submit an "idea" to a newsletter, they are free to doso. It wouldn't have to be a new "idea", or even their own "idea".As for the attitude of the builders and flyers of this network, I havenever been involved with a group that was as friendly, welcoming andwilling to help and share as this group. I have not met anyone yet thatwas secretive about the details of their plane. In fact, most will gothat extra mile to help, or share their knowledge.And you're right, this is supposed to be a FUN thing, so let's not gethung up on publishing copyrights. Let's focus on building, flying andcamaraderie.Bill C.-----Original Message-----[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf OfPlncrzy3(at)netscape.netSent: June 26, 2006 9:16 PMAs I sit here reading all the Bull-s--t about who or who does not hold acopyright on idea's for building and flying a Pietenpol, that I wouldthink everyone should and would want to pass this information on to allbuilder's both old and new. And to hear that the old idea's andinformation should stay buried and not be shared with the new builder'sbecause someone cannot come up with new material and is just piratingsomeone else's idea's is a bunch of CRAP! I thought that this is whatthis was all about. If this is the way and attitude of most of theBuilder's and Flyer's of this network then I will quietly Build and Flymy Pietenpol knowing that I did not infringe on anyone's Damn Copyrightor use there idea's or techniques to get my Plane finished. And all thistime I thought this was supposed to be a Fun thing to do between a groupof people with the same GOAL, To Build and Fly a Pietenpol. Bryan ________________________________________________________________________________