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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balanceTrying to learn everything I can about the Pietenpols so please bare with me. I read that Air Campers have been plans built with several diffferent fuselage lengths. Can anyone tell me what the lengths are and how are they measured? From Firewall to rudder post?? What is the proper method for measureing Weight & balance of an Air Camper? What is the normal gross weight for the one piece wing? What is normal (or average) empty weight?GeneN502R Tennessee________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance
Original Posted By: kmordecai001(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balanceIn a message dated 7/8/2006 12:21:00 PM Central Standard Time, zharvey(at)bellsouth.net writes:Trying to learn everything I can about the Pietenpols so please bare with me. I read that Air Campers have been plans built with several diffferent fuselage lengths. Can anyone tell me what the lengths are and how are they measured? From Firewall to rudder post?? What is the proper method for measureing Weight & balance of an Air Camper? What is the normal gross weight for the one piece wing? What is normal (or average) empty weight?GeneN502R TennesseeHere is a Weight & Balance report from Brodhead '94. None of these empty weights are very close to what the plans call for - 610 lbs Brodhead -1994 Tail Number Engine Type Fuselage Length Empty Weight CG empty /inches aft of datum CG w/170# pilot & 7 gal. fuel Wt. w/170# pilot & 170# pass & 7 gal. fuel CG w/170# pilot & 170# pass & 7 gal. fuel DATAM IS THE LEADING EDGETAIL # ENGINE FUSE MT WT. EWCG w/ 170lb Gross CG GrossN444MH Ford 'A' Short 648 7.49 17.72 1048 18.83 NX13691 Ford 'A' Short 676 11.83 21.04 1088 22.02 NX4662T Ford 'A' Short 671 13.69 20.45 1071 20.7 NX5228 Ford 'A' Long 684 6.69 16.16 1084 17.33 C FCMG 0-200 Long 774 15.25 20.42 1208 19.43 N 396S C-85 Long 820 15.2 18.61 1256 16.57 N 687MB 0-200 Long 705 5.59 14.57 1143 15.79 N 778DD Corvair Long 731 9.08 15.93 1191 14.98________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balanceIn a message dated 7/8/2006 12:21:00 PM Central Standard Time, zharvey(at)bellsouth.net writes:Trying to learn everything I can about the Pietenpols so please bare with me. I read that Air Campers have been plans built with several diffferent fuselage lengths. Can anyone tell me what the lengths are and how are they measured? From Firewall to rudder post?? What is the proper method for measureing Weight & balance of an Air Camper? What is the normal gross weight for the one piece wing? What is normal (or average) empty weight?GeneN502R TennesseeHere is a Weight & Balance report from Brodhead '94. None of these empty weights are very close to what the plans call for - 610 lbs Brodhead -1994 Tail Number Engine Type Fuselage Length Empty Weight CG empty /inches aft of datum CG w/170# pilot & 7 gal. fuel Wt. w/170# pilot & 170# pass & 7 gal. fuel CG w/170# pilot & 170# pass & 7 gal. fuel DATAM IS THE LEADING EDGETAIL # ENGINE FUSE MT WT. EWCG w/ 170lb Gross CG GrossN444MH Ford 'A' Short 648 7.49 17.72 1048 18.83 NX13691 Ford 'A' Short 676 11.83 21.04 1088 22.02 NX4662T Ford 'A' Short 671 13.69 20.45 1071 20.7 NX5228 Ford 'A' Long 684 6.69 16.16 1084 17.33 C FCMG 0-200 Long 774 15.25 20.42 1208 19.43 N 396S C-85 Long 820 15.2 18.61 1256 16.57 N 687MB 0-200 Long 705 5.59 14.57 1143 15.79 N 778DD Corvair Long 731 9.08 15.93 1191 14.98________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance
Original Posted By: "Mike King"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balanceHi Gene,There are 3 different fuselage lengths I know of. 1934 Orrin Hoopman, (short),Corvair, (long) and the Flying and glider, (short-short).If we look at the 1934 fuselage as the norm at 13' 7", the F&g is 2" shorter at13'5" and the Corvair is 9 3/8" longer at 14' 4 3/8". These measurements arefirewall to rudder post.Again if we use the 1934 as norm;The F&g is 2" shorter in the first bay behind the firewall with all other baysthe same as the 1934. It is also 1" bigger top longeron to bottom longeron at25", both others are 24". It is 1 1/8 shorter at the firewall at 20 3/4", and1/8" taller at the tailpost at 11".The Corvair is 2" longer in the first bay, 2" longer in the third bay(pilot pit),2 1/2" longer 2nd to last bay and, 2 7/8" longer in the last bay(tailpost).The steel tube supplement that came with my 1934 plans shows its length at 13'5",the same as the F&g wood fuselage.Skip, Hales Landing WV (2WV3)----- Original Message ----- I read that Air Campers have been plans built with several diffferent fuselagelengths. Can anyone tell me what the lengths are and how are they measured?From Firewall to rudder post?? GeneN502R Tennessee________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balanceHi Gene,There are 3 different fuselage lengths I know of. 1934 Orrin Hoopman, (short),Corvair, (long) and the Flying and glider, (short-short).If we look at the 1934 fuselage as the norm at 13' 7", the F&g is 2" shorter at13'5" and the Corvair is 9 3/8" longer at 14' 4 3/8". These measurements arefirewall to rudder post.Again if we use the 1934 as norm;The F&g is 2" shorter in the first bay behind the firewall with all other baysthe same as the 1934. It is also 1" bigger top longeron to bottom longeron at25", both others are 24". It is 1 1/8 shorter at the firewall at 20 3/4", and1/8" taller at the tailpost at 11".The Corvair is 2" longer in the first bay, 2" longer in the third bay(pilot pit),2 1/2" longer 2nd to last bay and, 2 7/8" longer in the last bay(tailpost).The steel tube supplement that came with my 1934 plans shows its length at 13'5",the same as the F&g wood fuselage.Skip, Hales Landing WV (2WV3)----- Original Message ----- I read that Air Campers have been plans built with several diffferent fuselagelengths. Can anyone tell me what the lengths are and how are they measured?From Firewall to rudder post?? GeneN502R Tennessee________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balance
Original Posted By: Skip-Cinda Gadd
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balanceSkip,That was the info I was looking for. Very helpful.Thank youGeneN502R Tennessee ----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage lengths/ Weight & balanceSkip,That was the info I was looking for. Very helpful.Thank youGeneN502R Tennessee ----- Original Message -----