Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]"
Pietenpol-List: flight planning
Re: Pietenpol-List: flight planning
Original Posted By: "walt evans"
Re: Pietenpol-List: flight planning
Original Posted By: "Mark Blackwell"
Mark,Please understand I only have 10 ro 12 hours flying time in my Piet and I'm not trying to be a smart A--, but do explain how one goes about safely "pulling out and reading a full sectional" in a Piet while flying?Gene----- Original Message -----
Mark,Please understand I only have 10 ro 12 hours flying time in my Piet and I'm not trying to be a smart A--, but do explain how one goes about safely "pulling out and reading a full sectional" in a Piet while flying?Gene----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: flight planning
Original Posted By: Gary Gower
> Re: Pietenpol-List: flight planning
Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
Re: Pietenpol-List: flight planning
Original Posted By: "Eric Williams"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight planningHello to all,>> The whole thing has to be folded, but pilots did that long before anyone> ever thought of a handheld GPS in open cockpit airplanes. Could be on> lap boards, could be a lot of ways all of which different people would> want different ways. A pre fold would be smart, and yes it would takeOK, guys it's almost with amusement I see how many posts can be made for map reading in the Piet. There is one which no one has mentioned and might be of interest and will be #2 below.1. One of the first things I taught my students was how to fold a map and use it in the cockpit prior to cross country instruction. I taught them how I folded my maps which I even did on high altitude IFR cross countries (we always had the WAC charts with us when someone wanted to know which city, river, etc. and for our pleasure).I made a lap board long ago which is 11"x10" out of a cookie baking sheet. If you fold a sectional leaving two sections exposed, it measures 10"x10". You simply unfold it to the two sections which reflect you position and going toward your destination. Many times you must make the fold backwards from its original fold direction and you must even, at times, fold vertical about half way down a section. But the result is always a square 10"x10". Of course you refold as you leave the exposed area. I found this no problem at all in the Piet and lost no maps. :)Incidentally, if you use two maps (You _did_, of course mark the track already on the map, didn't you?), simply prefold the second map to the place where it will start. It's easy to fold to the next section but not so easy in the Piet to find that on the whole map with all that air rushing around!Now this works beautifully in the Piet, _except_ that the lap board would not fit in the middle because of lack of room in the Piet and I had to put it to the side. A knee support might be better in this case. But the point is you have the complete sectional available but your view area is never more than 10"x10".Some of my students, much to my chagrin, like to turn the map upside down so it appeared as they were heading 'up' the map and left was left, etc. (I always just reversed directions in my head if the track led down the map, so I could read all the little writing easily.), and that was fine. But I just gave hints that always worked for me and some of the students followed them. Incidentally, I still use this method.2. Now the idea no one has mentioned requires either membership to the EAA, which most are, are a subscription to the Aero Planner - www.aeroplanner.com - website. Your EAA membership gives you free access to their Basic Flight Planner. If you plan a trip with it, you can view and print each page of the Basic Trip Tick, which is a part of the sectional with your route. You can also, at a cost of I believe $4.95, download the ZipTick which contains all of the maps in a zipped package.This may or may not appeal as an option. The strips are somewhat narrow but in some cases you can orientate the printout as vertical or horizontal. At any rate if you simply print each little map, it is free....Edwin____________________________________________________________"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyesturned skyward, for there you have been, there you long toreturn."-da Vinci http://bellsouthpwp2.net/e/d/edwinljohn ... __________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight planningHello to all,>> The whole thing has to be folded, but pilots did that long before anyone> ever thought of a handheld GPS in open cockpit airplanes. Could be on> lap boards, could be a lot of ways all of which different people would> want different ways. A pre fold would be smart, and yes it would takeOK, guys it's almost with amusement I see how many posts can be made for map reading in the Piet. There is one which no one has mentioned and might be of interest and will be #2 below.1. One of the first things I taught my students was how to fold a map and use it in the cockpit prior to cross country instruction. I taught them how I folded my maps which I even did on high altitude IFR cross countries (we always had the WAC charts with us when someone wanted to know which city, river, etc. and for our pleasure).I made a lap board long ago which is 11"x10" out of a cookie baking sheet. If you fold a sectional leaving two sections exposed, it measures 10"x10". You simply unfold it to the two sections which reflect you position and going toward your destination. Many times you must make the fold backwards from its original fold direction and you must even, at times, fold vertical about half way down a section. But the result is always a square 10"x10". Of course you refold as you leave the exposed area. I found this no problem at all in the Piet and lost no maps. :)Incidentally, if you use two maps (You _did_, of course mark the track already on the map, didn't you?), simply prefold the second map to the place where it will start. It's easy to fold to the next section but not so easy in the Piet to find that on the whole map with all that air rushing around!Now this works beautifully in the Piet, _except_ that the lap board would not fit in the middle because of lack of room in the Piet and I had to put it to the side. A knee support might be better in this case. But the point is you have the complete sectional available but your view area is never more than 10"x10".Some of my students, much to my chagrin, like to turn the map upside down so it appeared as they were heading 'up' the map and left was left, etc. (I always just reversed directions in my head if the track led down the map, so I could read all the little writing easily.), and that was fine. But I just gave hints that always worked for me and some of the students followed them. Incidentally, I still use this method.2. Now the idea no one has mentioned requires either membership to the EAA, which most are, are a subscription to the Aero Planner - www.aeroplanner.com - website. Your EAA membership gives you free access to their Basic Flight Planner. If you plan a trip with it, you can view and print each page of the Basic Trip Tick, which is a part of the sectional with your route. You can also, at a cost of I believe $4.95, download the ZipTick which contains all of the maps in a zipped package.This may or may not appeal as an option. The strips are somewhat narrow but in some cases you can orientate the printout as vertical or horizontal. At any rate if you simply print each little map, it is free....Edwin____________________________________________________________"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyesturned skyward, for there you have been, there you long toreturn."-da Vinci http://bellsouthpwp2.net/e/d/edwinljohn ... __________
Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight planning
Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Edwin,I use the EAA Aeroplanner Basic TripTik for every trip I make, whether in the Pietenpolor the RV-4. Great backup for the GPS, and the pages can be cut downto fit easily on a knee board.Jack PhillipsNX899JP> 2. Now the idea no one has mentioned requires either membership to the > EAA, which most are, are a subscription to the Aero Planner - > www.aeroplanner.com - website. Your EAA membership gives you free access > to their Basic Flight Planner. If you plan a trip with it, you can view > and print each page of the Basic Trip Tick, which is a part of the > sectional with your route. You can also, at a cost of I believe $4.95, > download the ZipTick which contains all of the maps in a zipped package.> > This may or may not appeal as an option. The strips are somewhat narrow > but in some cases you can orientate the printout as vertical or > horizontal. At any rate if you simply print each little map, it is free.> > ...Edwin> ____________________________________________________________> "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes> turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to> return."-da Vinci http://bellsouthpwp2.net/e/d/edwinljohnson> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Edwin,I use the EAA Aeroplanner Basic TripTik for every trip I make, whether in the Pietenpolor the RV-4. Great backup for the GPS, and the pages can be cut downto fit easily on a knee board.Jack PhillipsNX899JP> 2. Now the idea no one has mentioned requires either membership to the > EAA, which most are, are a subscription to the Aero Planner - > www.aeroplanner.com - website. Your EAA membership gives you free access > to their Basic Flight Planner. If you plan a trip with it, you can view > and print each page of the Basic Trip Tick, which is a part of the > sectional with your route. You can also, at a cost of I believe $4.95, > download the ZipTick which contains all of the maps in a zipped package.> > This may or may not appeal as an option. The strips are somewhat narrow > but in some cases you can orientate the printout as vertical or > horizontal. At any rate if you simply print each little map, it is free.> > ...Edwin> ____________________________________________________________> "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes> turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to> return."-da Vinci http://bellsouthpwp2.net/e/d/edwinljohnson> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: flight planning
Original Posted By: "Dave Abramson"
Edwin,Thanks for the reply. I'm going to try your suggestion and place a larger clip board to my side while flying. I used a 6 X 9 knee board, which worked OK but the larger board to the side sounds like it may be a better answer. I'll also try the aeroplanner. Our runway has been closed for improvements but will reopen by the end of the month and by then I should have the engine work completed. Really looking forward to getting airborn again.Gene________________________________________________________________________________
Edwin,Thanks for the reply. I'm going to try your suggestion and place a larger clip board to my side while flying. I used a 6 X 9 knee board, which worked OK but the larger board to the side sounds like it may be a better answer. I'll also try the aeroplanner. Our runway has been closed for improvements but will reopen by the end of the month and by then I should have the engine work completed. Really looking forward to getting airborn again.Gene________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Walt,I am building the standard fuselage. I weigh 170 and 62 thus I made minea single seater so I have some legroom. People make it sound so simple whenthey talk about moving the wing back but I was thinking it couldnt be sosimple unless they know something I dont. Thank you for your explanation!Am I correct in thinking you can just move the engine out farther to get thecorrect CG? (and leave the wing where it is) Of course the nose might getto be a bit LOOOOOOOOONG!Cheers,Dave-----Original Message-----
Hi Walt,I am building the standard fuselage. I weigh 170 and 62 thus I made minea single seater so I have some legroom. People make it sound so simple whenthey talk about moving the wing back but I was thinking it couldnt be sosimple unless they know something I dont. Thank you for your explanation!Am I correct in thinking you can just move the engine out farther to get thecorrect CG? (and leave the wing where it is) Of course the nose might getto be a bit LOOOOOOOOONG!Cheers,Dave-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
Original Posted By: "walt evans"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount questionIn a message dated 11/7/2006 9:14:52 AM Central Standard Time, davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com writes:I am building the =9Cstandard=9D fuselage. I weigh 170 and 6=992 thus I made mine a single seater so I have some legroom. People make it sound so simple whenthey talk about =9Cmoving the wing back=9D but I was thinking it couldn=99t be so simple unless they know something I don=99t. Thank you for your explanation! Am I correct in thinking you can just move the engine out farther to get the correct CG? (and leave the wing where it is) Of course the nose might get to be a bit LOOOOOOOOONG!Dave, Moving the wing back is a unique feature of the Pietenpol, and really isn't that difficult to do, but requires a couple of new cables if you already had the wing position nailed down. Moving the engine out farther forward does the same thing as moving the wing back - as far as the C of G is concerned. However, the farther forward the engine is, the more it affects the handling of the plane coming out of a slip. I built the 'Short' fuselage, now with a Continental A65 engine, and I weight 210 lbs. I moved the engine forward a whopping 8" (increased the wall thickness of the steel tubes), as well as moved the wing back from vertical 3 1/2". It does give the plane a 'Long Nose' look, but with my weight there is no way I can get too far aft on the C of G, even with Zero Fuel the C of G is just at the aft limit. Us 'fat boys' just gotta do what we gotta do !! With the rudder authority of the Piet, I have no problem coming out of a slip. You can see lots of pictures of my plane on my web site, as well as the entire C of G calculations under the 'Operations Manual' page.http://nx770cg.com/Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:28:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount questionIn a message dated 11/7/2006 9:14:52 AM Central Standard Time, davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com writes:I am building the =9Cstandard=9D fuselage. I weigh 170 and 6=992 thus I made mine a single seater so I have some legroom. People make it sound so simple whenthey talk about =9Cmoving the wing back=9D but I was thinking it couldn=99t be so simple unless they know something I don=99t. Thank you for your explanation! Am I correct in thinking you can just move the engine out farther to get the correct CG? (and leave the wing where it is) Of course the nose might get to be a bit LOOOOOOOOONG!Dave, Moving the wing back is a unique feature of the Pietenpol, and really isn't that difficult to do, but requires a couple of new cables if you already had the wing position nailed down. Moving the engine out farther forward does the same thing as moving the wing back - as far as the C of G is concerned. However, the farther forward the engine is, the more it affects the handling of the plane coming out of a slip. I built the 'Short' fuselage, now with a Continental A65 engine, and I weight 210 lbs. I moved the engine forward a whopping 8" (increased the wall thickness of the steel tubes), as well as moved the wing back from vertical 3 1/2". It does give the plane a 'Long Nose' look, but with my weight there is no way I can get too far aft on the C of G, even with Zero Fuel the C of G is just at the aft limit. Us 'fat boys' just gotta do what we gotta do !! With the rudder authority of the Piet, I have no problem coming out of a slip. You can see lots of pictures of my plane on my web site, as well as the entire C of G calculations under the 'Operations Manual' page.http://nx770cg.com/Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:28:38 -0500