Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Pietenpol-List: Light weight Pietenpol
RE: Pietenpol-List: Light weight Pietenpol
Original Posted By: "Jack T. Textor"
Rick,Yes, I build the Pietenpol Corvair motor mount as per drawings.But did slide the tabs that bolt to the engine 1/2" forward, so the engineactually sits 1/2 more forward than the plans call for.With the modern firewall requirements (stainless + fibrefrax on top of theply wood ) the oil filter will not clear the Stainless.Alternatively, You could make a indentation of 1/2" in to the firewall, alot of work.Or use longer motor mount fittings the ones that bolt on the wood at theforward fuselage (to late for me)Or use a remote Filter mount. (I did not like this)Additionally I use the polyurethane vibration mounts that WW suggests.This will raise the engine some what from what the plans call for (3/4")So I do have some additional deviation from the plans, but none of them addweight or reduce strength of the original design.Hans "Rick Holland" To Sent by: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions... 12/01/2006 11:49 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com One other question Hans, is your Corvair engine mount built to the plans,as far as engine distance forward of the firewall?RickOn 12/1/06, Hans Vander Voort wrote: hans.vander.voort(at)alfalaval.com> Rick, Yes, the John Deere that WW and Mark Langford suggest. The wing is moved back about 2" (cabanes leaning back). It (flies) (fly's) is flying slightly nose heavy. Probably should move the wing forward slightly 1/2" (1 1/2" leaning back) may be this winter. FYI, I did not take extreme measure to build light, simply build to the plans and weight should not be a problem. Hans. "Rick Holland" To Sent by: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions... 12/01/2006 08:52 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com This gives me new hope that I can build my long fuselage Corvair at something under 700 lbs. Do you also have an altenator Hans? Or just recharge your battery in the hanger? Also, did you have to move your wing back to get your CG right? Thanks Rick On 11/29/06, Hans Vander Voort wrote: hans.vander.voort(at)alfalaval.com> Just to compare. My Pietenpol, long fuse with a Corvair, split landing gear, three piece wing and poly fiber covering weights empty at 680 Lbs. No deviations from the plans other than longer Cabane struts (2 inch), center section cut out (no flop) and piano hinge ailerons That makes it only 4 Lbs heavier than Roman's steel tube fuselage with a similar setup. Oh....and I have an electric starter and battery on board.--Rick Holland"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Light weight PietenpolDate: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:14:20 -0600
Rick,Yes, I build the Pietenpol Corvair motor mount as per drawings.But did slide the tabs that bolt to the engine 1/2" forward, so the engineactually sits 1/2 more forward than the plans call for.With the modern firewall requirements (stainless + fibrefrax on top of theply wood ) the oil filter will not clear the Stainless.Alternatively, You could make a indentation of 1/2" in to the firewall, alot of work.Or use longer motor mount fittings the ones that bolt on the wood at theforward fuselage (to late for me)Or use a remote Filter mount. (I did not like this)Additionally I use the polyurethane vibration mounts that WW suggests.This will raise the engine some what from what the plans call for (3/4")So I do have some additional deviation from the plans, but none of them addweight or reduce strength of the original design.Hans "Rick Holland" To Sent by: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions... 12/01/2006 11:49 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com One other question Hans, is your Corvair engine mount built to the plans,as far as engine distance forward of the firewall?RickOn 12/1/06, Hans Vander Voort wrote: hans.vander.voort(at)alfalaval.com> Rick, Yes, the John Deere that WW and Mark Langford suggest. The wing is moved back about 2" (cabanes leaning back). It (flies) (fly's) is flying slightly nose heavy. Probably should move the wing forward slightly 1/2" (1 1/2" leaning back) may be this winter. FYI, I did not take extreme measure to build light, simply build to the plans and weight should not be a problem. Hans. "Rick Holland" To Sent by: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions... 12/01/2006 08:52 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com This gives me new hope that I can build my long fuselage Corvair at something under 700 lbs. Do you also have an altenator Hans? Or just recharge your battery in the hanger? Also, did you have to move your wing back to get your CG right? Thanks Rick On 11/29/06, Hans Vander Voort wrote: hans.vander.voort(at)alfalaval.com> Just to compare. My Pietenpol, long fuse with a Corvair, split landing gear, three piece wing and poly fiber covering weights empty at 680 Lbs. No deviations from the plans other than longer Cabane struts (2 inch), center section cut out (no flop) and piano hinge ailerons That makes it only 4 Lbs heavier than Roman's steel tube fuselage with a similar setup. Oh....and I have an electric starter and battery on board.--Rick Holland"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Light weight PietenpolDate: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:14:20 -0600
Re: Pietenpol-List: Light weight Pietenpol
Original Posted By: Jack T. Textor
ohhhh my! I must own it!DJ Vegh- ----- Original Message -----
ohhhh my! I must own it!DJ Vegh- ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Light weight Pietenpol
Original Posted By: "Jack T. Textor"
Re: Pietenpol-List: carb heat/steel wool/road landing
Original Posted By: "Tim Verthein"
Tim,In some areas in the west and very often in Alaska, road landings are a way of life. I know several pilots that keep their plane at home and use the road for an airstrip every time they fly.Gene----- Original Message -----
Tim,In some areas in the west and very often in Alaska, road landings are a way of life. I know several pilots that keep their plane at home and use the road for an airstrip every time they fly.Gene----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: road landing
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
I'm not sure about other states, but I'll bet you a doughnut that if you land an airplane on a California highway, they will find a way to tax or fine you. After all, you didn't pay road use taxes on the fuel in that tank (unless you're running autogas), and you sure didn't pay any excise tax on those tires to help pay for the highways. Everything seems to be illegal in CA except the things that should be ;o)I wondered the same thing about operating a floatplane off of public waters... lakes, impoundments, even rivers. I guess people do it but there must be some prohibition about operating something other than a registered watercraft on public waters.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________Fixing up the home? Live Search can help ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: road landingDate: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:59:05 -0500
I'm not sure about other states, but I'll bet you a doughnut that if you land an airplane on a California highway, they will find a way to tax or fine you. After all, you didn't pay road use taxes on the fuel in that tank (unless you're running autogas), and you sure didn't pay any excise tax on those tires to help pay for the highways. Everything seems to be illegal in CA except the things that should be ;o)I wondered the same thing about operating a floatplane off of public waters... lakes, impoundments, even rivers. I guess people do it but there must be some prohibition about operating something other than a registered watercraft on public waters.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________Fixing up the home? Live Search can help ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: road landingDate: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:59:05 -0500