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Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
wow! what fun today. Been practicing short field landings in our Taylorcraft. Today I managed down and stopped in 230' (see attached) Winds were ahead at 9kts. I wonder... a Piet/GN-1 should be able to do the same right?? For those flying, what's your shortest landing in your Piet and what were the winds?DJ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:24:02 -0800
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Re: Pietenpol-List: wet wood?

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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wet wood?Here I go again after saying I never would again.May I suggest that you get up to Maine a few days earlier than planned put on a couple of coats of good spar varnish, 1st coat thinned then 2d coat full strength out of the can. I like Ace hardware gloss. Then you wouldn't have to wrap anything or worry about plastic flying. I'm thinking like a completed fuse of course.Just a thought but I bet that's the way I'd do it.Corky________________________________________________________________________________
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RE: Pietenpol-List: down in 230'

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Re: Pietenpol-List: Jenny landing gear & ash cross member

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Original Posted By: santiago morete
Hi Santiago,Yes, the ash cross members are necessary. They stiffen and reinforce the plywood floor between the gear leg attach points. The metal strap addition is a good idea also.Greg C. ----- Original Message -----
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RE: Pietenpol-List: down in 230'

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Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
I can't beat 20' but I did have a ground roll of less than 100' in a 20kt wind straight down the runway.Even in windless conditions the ground roll is only a few hundred feet. This is in NX18235 which is brakeless.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message ----- >> About 20' ground roll once in the piet. It was downright scary. I didn't > dare turn off the runway for fear I would flip. Winds were about 35kts > down the runway after I diverted to the larger metro apt. with a crosswind > runway. I somehow got it to a tie down and left it there for the weekend. > I haven't landed backwards yet though. My personal record for TO/Landings > is 5 without a pattern on our 5900' strip. Take off, climb to 100' and > land straight ahead full stop, without turning as many times as you can > before running out of runway. Silly headwind piet tricks.>>> Steve E>>> > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: down in 230'>> wow! what fun today. Been practicing short field landings in our> Taylorcraft. Today I managed down and stopped in 230' (see attached) > Winds were ahead at 9kts. I wonder... a Piet/GN-1 should be able to do > the same right?? For those flying, what's your shortest landing in your > Piet and what were the winds?>> DJ>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: down in 230'Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:00:27 -0500
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers

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I'm looking into buying another prop for my A-65 powered Piet. Does anyone have any knowledge of Cloudcars or Tennessee props and how well or how poorly they perform Also would be interested in anyones opinion of any other props (good or bad) they have used.Thank YouGene ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellersDate: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:50:20 -0500
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers

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Original Posted By: Gene and Tammy
I have a Sturba wood prop 72 x 42 on my Piet, total gross at 1223 lbs. with two people and 15 gal. fuel, which climbs well and cruises at 80mph at 2150rpm. iI'm quite satisfied with its performance.Roman Bukolt NX20795 ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers

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Original Posted By: Roman Bukolt
Roman,Thnks for your reply. Which engine do you have? Do you remember what you gave for the prop? I've heard of the Sturba prop but am not familiar with it. Do you have a phone # or address?Thank YouGene ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers

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Original Posted By: harvey.rule(at)bell.ca
Harvey,Thanks for your reply. Do you happen to know how much your 72X42 Tennesse Prop weighed? I'm going to be replacing a metal prop and I'm a little concerned about the weight difference. Have thought about adding a battery in the engine compartment to off set the difference.Gene ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers

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Original Posted By: harvey.rule(at)bell.ca
I've 14 hours of ground run time on my Tennesee 66x29. It's a well made prop. One of the only propr makers that I know of that use 1/16" laminations. There are 48 laminations on my prop and it's very sturdy and tracks dead on.DJ ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers

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Original Posted By: DJ Vegh
DJ,Thanks for the info on the Tennessee. I've always liked the ultralite props that Tennessee makes but have not seen any of the props they make for GA.. Well worth looking into. What motor are you running the 66X29 on?Gene----- Original Message -----
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> Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee

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Original Posted By:> harvey.rule(at)bell.ca
>From: >To: >Subject: FW: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers>Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:52:00 -0500>>>________________________________>>From: Rule, Harvey G (N092740)>Sent: January 17, 2007 11:48 AM>To: 'pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com'>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee>propellers>>>I don't know how much it weighed but I took a metal prop off and>replaced it with the wood prop and the weight difference of the two>props was quite substantial.I also took off an adaptor plate which>weighed a lot as well.I put my battery in the front seat (bolted in with>a battery box).I was able to put my started back on with the weight I>took off.Tennessee props could give you the exact answer to the weight>question.I will say that the prop I received from them is a work of>art.I paid 650$ for it and it's worth every penny.I get about 80 -85 mph>out of her and I'm hoping to make that 90 mph in the spring.>>>________________________________>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene and>Tammy>Sent: January 17, 2007 10:16 AM>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee>propellers>>>Harvey,>>Thanks for your reply. Do you happen to know how much your 72X42>Tennesse Prop weighed? I'm going to be replacing a metal prop and I'm a>little concerned about the weight difference. Have thought about adding>a battery in the engine compartment to off set the difference.>>Gene>> ----- Original Message ----->
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers

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Original Posted By: Gene and Tammy
mine is mounted to a 100hp Corvair ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers

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Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellersGene,I use a Tennessee prop, 64 x 34 on my Corvair powered Piet.It is a well made prop, I have the urethane leading edge option.The prop is excellently balanced and performs well, I have about 40 hours on it and it show little wear, I fly from grass.I would definitely buy from Tennessee prop againHans________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers

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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellersHans,You said you had the urethane leading edge on your prop. Have you ever flown through rain, and if so, how did it hold up? Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.________________________________________________________________________________
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> Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers

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Original Posted By: "Roman Bukolt"
I forgot ,I have the urethane leading edge on mine as well.After a flight I just spray a light mixture of dish washing soap and water on it and wipe the bugs off.Looks like new all the time.I have attached a picture of what it looks like on the aircraft.>From: HVandervoo(at)aol.com>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers>Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:44:25 EST>>Gene,>>I use a Tennessee prop, 64 x 34 on my Corvair powered Piet.>It is a well made prop, I have the urethane leading edge option.>>The prop is excellently balanced and performs well,>I have about 40 hours on it and it show little wear, I fly from grass.>>I would definitely buy from Tennessee prop again>>Hans________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers

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Original Posted By: Gene and Tammy
The engine is a Continental A-65.The prop was on the plane when I bought it last Oct. but it was bought in 2004 and i can probably find out from the previous owner. ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Phillips, Jack
I'm with you on that, Jack. A couple of weeks ago in discussion, someone had much better climb performance with the same engine. It would be worth the change if we could climb out better.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Dick Navratil
Once again, Thanks everyone for all of the good input. As I understand it, what may work well from one prop maker will not necessarily work well from another.I have been told by one prop maker that he thought 74X38 would be the best all around prop for the 65 Piet. Anyone use this prop?GeneN502RTennessee ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Phillips, Jack
I didn't realize your 74 X 36 was made for a Piet. Where can I get information on the St Croix? Haven't heard of them before. If you were a dedicated mentor you'd say "Damn the snow and rain, I'm going to put that prop on today and fly it so Gene will know if he should order one." Corky would do that, wouldn't you Corky. As a side note, I fould Ed Sterba's phone number and I'm giving him a call today as well as Tennessee Props.GenePS I'll spend the day waiting for your report on how well your St Croix does. ----- Original Message -----
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The Phone # for St Croix Aircraft 1-641-322-4041 Chad Wille is theman!!!!!!!-----Original Message-----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers

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Original Posted By: Dave Abramson
Dave,Thank you for the phone #. I'll give Chad a call. --- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: down in 230'

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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: down in 230'In a message dated 1/17/2007 7:02:18 AM Central Standard Time, Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com writes:Winds were 250 at20 kts, gusts to 25 (remember the winds that morning, Chuck?). Ah yes, Jack, I remember that morning well. Brodhead '05, and you took off shortly before I did, en route to that other show up north. You must have stayed low on that leg, because the winds at 3000' msl where I was, were quitedifferent. I don't really know why I climbed that high...I think I just wantedto see more of the beautiful Wisconsin countryside from the higher altitude. Igot about 15 miles to the north of Brodhead, trying to track to the North, but the strong winds out of the West caused the nose of my plane to point almostdirectly West !! I had almost full power in, and was indicating just over 75 mph, and according to my GPS, I had about 15 mph. ground speed. At one point, I noticed a tower to the North, between the right struts a couple of milesaway. Five minutes later that tower was still in the same place...10 minutes later, still there...15 minutes later that tower didn't change location !! I've never been in that situation before, where I'm trying to track north, heading west, with almost full power in and getting nowhere. It was a strangefeeling. I decided to abort the leg to Oshkosh, and headed back to Brodhead. For a while, I wasn't sure that I could even make it back, till I dropped to a much lower altitude where the winds weren't quite as strong. I finally made itback to Brodhead, and rode up to Oshkosh with Dennis & Kathy E. We had a greattime there, but I never could find Jack.Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellersIn a message dated 1/18/2007 8:13:15 AM Central Standard Time, Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com writes:As I said in an earlier post, I=99ve got a St. Croix that is 74 x 36 and was supposedly designed for a Pietenpol, as a climb prop. I have not flown it yet, but will do so this spring.Jack,I'm very interested in how the 74 X 36 prop changes the performance of your plane. I think the longer blades, with a shorter pitch would work better on a Pietenpol...at least as far as climb / short field take off performance, butI've never heard of anyone using that prop on their Piet. It just seems like the standard prop for an A 65 has always been a 72 X 42 prop.Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: down in 230'Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:56:39 -0500
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RE: Pietenpol-List: prop swaps

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Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Jack wrote->I wish I had a second prop hub - then the swap would be easier.I take it that you have a tapered shaft hub and the prop bolts are the problem? But if both props have the same thickness at the hub, can't you use the same length bolts? What's easier about pulling and swapping the entire prop and prop hub over swapping just the prop on the same hub?Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into something more. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/c ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: prop swapsDate: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:18:11 -0500
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Re: Pietenpol-List: down in 230'

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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: down in 230'In a message dated 1/19/2007 7:00:09 AM Central Standard Time, Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com writes:I never got more than 500 feet off the ground on that trip, Chuck (typical Pietenpol altitude for me). I know why you went high =93 trying to get out of the turbulence down low. It about beat me to death. Down low the winds were more from the west-southwet and I had a pretty good tailwind component. As I recall, I was seeing groundspeed on the GPS of around 90 mph.I only stayed at OSH until Wednesday morning, then took off for the long trip home.I=99m bringing the RV-4 this year. Will you have your Tailwind at Brodhead this summer?Jack,Yes, you are right about that turbulence...it was pretty rough down low. I think we got going too late in the morning. It was the only flight that I've ever made, that I didn't make my intended destination. Every flight is certainly a Learning Experience, and I love it !!I'm hoping to get both wings complete this winter, in the environmentally controlled atmosphere of my Dining Room. Having done that, I'll be able to pre-fit them to the fuselage in the spring, and then complete the fuselage. I think the cowling is going to take me a long time to build, because I hope to make a very efficient cooling system. Instrument panel will be two flat screens,with a small steam gauges - ASI and Altimeter as backup. If I didn't have to go to work every day, I could certainly have 'er going by mid summer. Be that as it may, I think it will be a next summer '08 before she graces the skies.Jack,I hope you still have that spam can RV-4 then !!Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: weldingHi Dick: Ditto what Greg said. That happened to me too and someonesuggested going to a larger tip size for more flow to cool the tip. Thatworked for me. Lucky for me I didn't burn the house down. Leon S.Finally having a white Christmas in Ks.--a mo. late.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: down in 230'Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:29:13 -0500
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