Original Posted By: "Jim Sury"
I must have misinterpreted the grain orientation for the wing rib gussets. Onlyafter cutting out more than half of mine with horizontal outside grain, did Irealize Bingelis recommends vertical orientation for rib gussets. I don't minddoing the right thing if it means ordering more 1/16 ply and redoing these,but wanted to see if others felt this was necessary. Any recommendations? Thanks.Steve C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Newbie gusset question
Re: Pietenpol-List: Windshield thickness
Original Posted By: "John Franklin"
John go down to the local motorcycle shop and pick up a cracked motorcycle windshield. Cost is reasonable and it will work just fine. Cut it down to size and make the attach fittings. You can even get one that is tinted. Just watch where the crack is.----- Original Message -----
John go down to the local motorcycle shop and pick up a cracked motorcycle windshield. Cost is reasonable and it will work just fine. Cut it down to size and make the attach fittings. You can even get one that is tinted. Just watch where the crack is.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie gusset question
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie gusset questionSteve,I never considered the grain orientation on the rib gussets either, so I guess about 50% of mine are "wrong". I doubt very much if this is going to makea hill of beans difference in the long run, but then again I haven't flown behind it yet. I think I'll "chance" it. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvemen ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie gusset questionSteve,I never considered the grain orientation on the rib gussets either, so I guess about 50% of mine are "wrong". I doubt very much if this is going to makea hill of beans difference in the long run, but then again I haven't flown behind it yet. I think I'll "chance" it. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvemen ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Newbie gusset question
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire metal fittings
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire metal fittings
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie gusset question
Original Posted By: jeremy bramall
Thanks for the sanity check! Then I'm going to press and continue with rib building!Cheers,Steve C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks for the sanity check! Then I'm going to press and continue with rib building!Cheers,Steve C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: flaperons
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flaperonsWelcome Jeremy!Just learn to slip the Piet. It will come down from 1000' in less than a mile, a lot less. I bet I could land it in the bottom of a 5 gallon bucket. Getting out would be another story...Flaps, (or flaperons) would add complexity and weight with no advantage.The airframe is very draggy as is. Put the wind to its side and it will drop out of the sky. (besides it is great fun!)Steve E.
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flaperonsWelcome Jeremy!Just learn to slip the Piet. It will come down from 1000' in less than a mile, a lot less. I bet I could land it in the bottom of a 5 gallon bucket. Getting out would be another story...Flaps, (or flaperons) would add complexity and weight with no advantage.The airframe is very draggy as is. Put the wind to its side and it will drop out of the sky. (besides it is great fun!)Steve E.
Re: Pietenpol-List: flaperons
Original Posted By: jeremy bramall
a Piet with flaperons is a tip stall waiting to happen.Spoilerons would be preferred over flaperons in a Piet. On my RC model Piet I have implemented spoilerons. At full spoiler defflection the ailerons are angled up about 30=B0 Makes for very steep approaches with good aileron authority.Seems like the weight involved in a real Piet would make them undeseirable. Besides a slipping Piet can drop down into a small strip easily.DJ Veghwww.azchoppercam.com ----- Original Message -----
a Piet with flaperons is a tip stall waiting to happen.Spoilerons would be preferred over flaperons in a Piet. On my RC model Piet I have implemented spoilerons. At full spoiler defflection the ailerons are angled up about 30=B0 Makes for very steep approaches with good aileron authority.Seems like the weight involved in a real Piet would make them undeseirable. Besides a slipping Piet can drop down into a small strip easily.DJ Veghwww.azchoppercam.com ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie gusset question
Original Posted By: "Glenn Thomas"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: solid wire vs cablesOscar,It was stated that the wing drag and antis were double piano wire. No gauge was given. Do you have any info on that?Levi**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvemen ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie gusset question
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: solid wire vs cablesOscar,It was stated that the wing drag and antis were double piano wire. No gauge was given. Do you have any info on that?Levi**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvemen ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie gusset question
Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
Steve,I made a small sander out of a piece of one of those free paint stirrers from HomeDepot T-88'd to a small maneuverable piece of aluminum scrap. (The scroungerin me tells me to grab an acceptable amount of them every time I go theresince they are handy for shims and little homemade tools)http://www.flyingwood.com/index.asp?page=14&filter=0I wrapped a piece of coarse 60 grit over the bottom and pinched it against thehandle to hold it during use and cross-hatch scored the gussets and the capstripsprior to gluing. I only scored it and then vacuumed up all the dust thoroughlywith a shop vac. I vacuumed all the gussets and all the capstrip areasthat were sanded prior to the T-88. We have yet to see how well this works. But, like Jack said, the 1/16th birch ply is so smooth I wanted to make sure theglue had something to grip. It only adds another 10 minutes to each rib butthink that it's worth the time.Keep on keepin on!Glenn--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:43:17 -0700
Steve,I made a small sander out of a piece of one of those free paint stirrers from HomeDepot T-88'd to a small maneuverable piece of aluminum scrap. (The scroungerin me tells me to grab an acceptable amount of them every time I go theresince they are handy for shims and little homemade tools)http://www.flyingwood.com/index.asp?page=14&filter=0I wrapped a piece of coarse 60 grit over the bottom and pinched it against thehandle to hold it during use and cross-hatch scored the gussets and the capstripsprior to gluing. I only scored it and then vacuumed up all the dust thoroughlywith a shop vac. I vacuumed all the gussets and all the capstrip areasthat were sanded prior to the T-88. We have yet to see how well this works. But, like Jack said, the 1/16th birch ply is so smooth I wanted to make sure theglue had something to grip. It only adds another 10 minutes to each rib butthink that it's worth the time.Keep on keepin on!Glenn--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:43:17 -0700
Pietenpol-List: Newbie gusset question
Original Posted By: "chase143"
>>>>The extra 6" of span my centersection added just about cancelled the area I >lost by adding a circular cutout to the centersection. But I don't think a >little more wing area could possibly hurt, and it certainly would help the >climb rate.>>Jack Phillips>NX899JP>>>-----Original Message----->From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Recine>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:12 PM>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section>>>>Just curious as to how that may impact the wing loading especially since it >increases overall square footage of wing surface>>Has anyone done the calculations?>>Or is it an even tradeoff?>>John>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry>>-----Original Message----->From: "Dick Navratil" >>Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:52:02>To:>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section>>>Me too. I have a 37" center section and I copied Jack's cut out for >radios. I made my wings to plan.>Dick N.>----- Original Message ----->From: Gary> Boothe >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:58 AM>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section>>>So far I have come up with Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and Roman Bukolt. >There may be more, but that's all I know of for now. The pro's seem to all >be about increasing the center section tank size, primarily. Size range >from 30", 36" and 48".>>Does anyone care to express any concerns or cautions?>>Gary Boothe>Cool, CA>WW Conversion 90% done,>Working on Tail Group>>>---------------->>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick >Holland>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:45 AM>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section>>Bill Rewey's Piet has that setup and has been flying for at least a decade.>>Rick>>On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Gary Boothe > wrote:>>>Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing the >wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece wing >with a 3' center section?>>Gary Boothe>Cool, CA>WW Conversion 90% done,>Working on Tail Group (and ribs)>>>---------------->>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Clif >Dawson>Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib>>>That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in >2000.>>Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center>>section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and >installation,>>ply covering, etc.>>>This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep >promising>>myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine >noises.
>>>Clif>>>"So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~ Lord >Alfred Tennyson>>----- Original Message ----->>From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib>>>Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful experience. >I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner.>>>Dan Helsper>Poplar Grove, IL.>>>---------------->>Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL> Home > >.href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >href="http://forums.matronics.com >">http://forums.matronics.com >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ">http://www.matronics.com/c >>>---------------->>3/22/2008 4:43 PMhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution > >>>-->Rick Holland>>>_________________________________________________>>or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please >notify the sender>>Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - >Norsk - Portuguese>>_________________________________________________or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notifythe senderDansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk- Portuguese________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie gusset question
>>>>The extra 6" of span my centersection added just about cancelled the area I >lost by adding a circular cutout to the centersection. But I don't think a >little more wing area could possibly hurt, and it certainly would help the >climb rate.>>Jack Phillips>NX899JP>>>-----Original Message----->From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Recine>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:12 PM>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section>>>>Just curious as to how that may impact the wing loading especially since it >increases overall square footage of wing surface>>Has anyone done the calculations?>>Or is it an even tradeoff?>>John>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry>>-----Original Message----->From: "Dick Navratil" >>Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:52:02>To:>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section>>>Me too. I have a 37" center section and I copied Jack's cut out for >radios. I made my wings to plan.>Dick N.>----- Original Message ----->From: Gary> Boothe >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:58 AM>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section>>>So far I have come up with Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and Roman Bukolt. >There may be more, but that's all I know of for now. The pro's seem to all >be about increasing the center section tank size, primarily. Size range >from 30", 36" and 48".>>Does anyone care to express any concerns or cautions?>>Gary Boothe>Cool, CA>WW Conversion 90% done,>Working on Tail Group>>>---------------->>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick >Holland>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:45 AM>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section>>Bill Rewey's Piet has that setup and has been flying for at least a decade.>>Rick>>On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Gary Boothe > wrote:>>>Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing the >wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece wing >with a 3' center section?>>Gary Boothe>Cool, CA>WW Conversion 90% done,>Working on Tail Group (and ribs)>>>---------------->>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Clif >Dawson>Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib>>>That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in >2000.>>Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center>>section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and >installation,>>ply covering, etc.>>>This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep >promising>>myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine >noises.
>>>Clif>>>"So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~ Lord >Alfred Tennyson>>----- Original Message ----->>From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib>>>Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful experience. >I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner.>>>Dan Helsper>Poplar Grove, IL.>>>---------------->>Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL> Home > >.href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >href="http://forums.matronics.com >">http://forums.matronics.com >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ">http://www.matronics.com/c >>>---------------->>3/22/2008 4:43 PMhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution > >>>-->Rick Holland>>>_________________________________________________>>or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please >notify the sender>>Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - >Norsk - Portuguese>>_________________________________________________or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notifythe senderDansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk- Portuguese________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie gusset question