Pietenpol-List: variations on how to build a Pietenpol : empennage

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Original Posted By: Roman Bukolt
Subject: Pietenpol-List: variations on how to build a Pietenpol : empennageplans using tubingI had a gent visit my hangar in the spring from Australia who became totallyfascinated with the Pietenpol design. He was in the states for a few weeks and came back to tell me that he had orderedand rec'd the plans (in case you'd like to order Pietenpol plans go here: http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Upon this gent's next visit to the airport he proceeded to tell me how he was goingto: 1) make folding wings so he could trailer the airplane--he was going to redesignit like a Kitfox (I think)2) Use stamped aluminum ribs3) Use an aluminum tubes for the wing spars (like Jim Bede used and the littleGrumman's followed up with in factory-builts such as the Yankee, AA1 series, Tiger,and Traveler) 4) Possibly use a different airfoil--he was going to do a search for the best lift/lowest drag airfoil5) I forget what all he told me because I literally tuned him out after hearinghis first few ideasand the guy hadn't even gone over the plans but just in casual observation of myairplane decided all thesethings in rapid fire order. I wished him luck and asked him to send me photos of it when he's got it flying.I almost added "have fun and knock yourself out !"Mike C. Just another snowflake (Larry W. will like that one:) ________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
My Piet, NX20795 has a welded tube fuse AND tail feathers.I think I might even have the builder's drawings of the steel frames.As a matter of fact, the rudder ribs were sheet metal channels which he accidentally welded facing up (water collecting?)so he mounted the rudder upside down. If you look at a photo of NX20795 in the archives you'll notice that the top of therudder is a different angle than the typical Piet.Roman Bukolt NX20795On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:53 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:> >>>> Well, I don't know why we should cut somebody off at the> knees about this ;o) Pietenpol published alternate plans> for a steel tube fuselage, so a logical extension would be> to look at the empennage as well. For a very few dollars> one can purchase the set of three (or is it four?) "Flying> & Glider Manuals" from EAA from the 1930s and besides them> being fascinating reading and very educational, there are> a whole host of different designs in them that utilize> steel tubing for the empennage and other parts. From those,> it would be quite simple to lay out the lines of the> Piet surfaces and translate them to tubing sizes, bracing,> and intersection connections.>> If I may even go a bit heretical, one could also look at> the Roger Mann RW-1 "Ragwing Piet" plans and figure it out> from there, because the Ragwing Piet is all tubing and> aluminum at that.>> Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC> San Antonio, TX> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:57:06 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: empennage plans using tubing

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Original Posted By:> billspiet(at)sympatico.ca
Big Steve=2CI just received my plans and they do have the steel fuse. However only for the short version for the model A. According to Don Pietenpol there never was published steel tube plans for the long version.Doug Dever> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: empennage plans using tubing

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Original Posted By: Tim Willis

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Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Bill=2CThe plans that I have do have drawings for the steel tube fuse. However only the short version.Doug Dever_________________________________________________________________Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you=92re up to on Facebook.http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialN ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: empennage plans using tubingDate: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:26:46 -0400

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Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> ca>> > Big Steve=2C> > Why are you looking at Nieuport plans to build a Pietenpol?> And=2C more importantly=2C why are you surprised that the empennage looks "quite different"?> > To the best of my knowledge=2C there are no published plans for the Pietenpol empennage built of steel tubing (or any other kind of tubing=2C for that matter). I'd say you're on your own there. Which is not to say that people have not built their empennage out of steel tube=2C because they have. I'm just saying that they all did it without the use of published plans.> > Good luck with your Nieuportenpol!> > Bill C.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 941#260941> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/nieuport_17_143.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... er_112.jpg> > > > ============================================> > > _________________________________________________________________Hotmail=AE is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?o ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: empennage plans using tubingDate: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:15:55 -0400