Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
While flying home from OSH I was leading our group of four.- The group included two other Piets, Frank Pavliga and Gary Bell and Bill See in an Aeronca.- We ran into some rain near Ft. Wayne, Indiana and had to divert to the north.- I headed toward Auburn, IN.- They have a huge and wide paved runway.- While coming down final I looked toward the grass that ran between the runway and taxiway.- I thought it looked awful inviting.- So between the cross taxiways I came in over some taxi lights and set it down in the grass.- As I was rolling along in some beautiful grass wondering why they even had to put the pavement in, I glanced over at the taxiway beside me and saw a row of very surprised individuals, including a pilot, all staring at me while comfortably seated in a large and gorgeous Gulfstream.- I waved at them all.- As I rolled up on the taxiway pavement I looked back to see the other three guys following suit and all landing beside the taxiway too.- I'm sure it became qui!te a topic of discussion inside the beautiful Gulfstream, both among the pilots and the non pilot passengers, that these little airplanes were missing the runway!- Sometimes my little airplane makes me smile in many more ways than one!Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 5#265975le, List Admin.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams...
Pietenpol-List: Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams...
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
While flying home from OSH I was leading our group of four. The group includedtwo other Piets, Frank Pavliga and Gary Bell and Bill See in an Aeronca. Weran into some rain near Ft. Wayne, Indiana and had to divert to the north. Iheaded toward Auburn, IN. They have a huge and wide paved runway. While comingdown final I looked toward the grass that ran between the runway and taxiway.I thought it looked awful inviting. So between the cross taxiways I camein over some taxi lights and set it down in the grass. As I was rolling alongin some beautiful grass wondering why they even had to put the pavement in, Iglanced over at the taxiway beside me and saw a row of very surprised individuals,including a pilot, all staring at me while comfortably seated in a largeand gorgeous Gulfstream. I waved at them all. As I rolled up on the taxiwaypavement I looked back to see the other three guys following suit and all landingbeside the taxiway too. I'm sure it became quite a topic of discussion insidethe beautiful Gulfstream, both among the pilots and the non pilot passengers,that these little airplanes were missing the runway! Sometimes my littleairplane makes me smile in many more ways than one!Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
While flying home from OSH I was leading our group of four. The group includedtwo other Piets, Frank Pavliga and Gary Bell and Bill See in an Aeronca. Weran into some rain near Ft. Wayne, Indiana and had to divert to the north. Iheaded toward Auburn, IN. They have a huge and wide paved runway. While comingdown final I looked toward the grass that ran between the runway and taxiway.I thought it looked awful inviting. So between the cross taxiways I camein over some taxi lights and set it down in the grass. As I was rolling alongin some beautiful grass wondering why they even had to put the pavement in, Iglanced over at the taxiway beside me and saw a row of very surprised individuals,including a pilot, all staring at me while comfortably seated in a largeand gorgeous Gulfstream. I waved at them all. As I rolled up on the taxiwaypavement I looked back to see the other three guys following suit and all landingbeside the taxiway too. I'm sure it became quite a topic of discussion insidethe beautiful Gulfstream, both among the pilots and the non pilot passengers,that these little airplanes were missing the runway! Sometimes my littleairplane makes me smile in many more ways than one!Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutesExcellent video Dan and nice, nice smooth landing at Dacy. That is one nicegrass airport. Landed there for gas one year enroute to Wisconsin. Thanks for sharing that video. You fly lower than Jack P. and I did under a loweringcloud deck enroute to Dodge Co. Juneau, WI after Brodhead. Must not be any cell phone towers around there. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutesExcellent video Dan and nice, nice smooth landing at Dacy. That is one nicegrass airport. Landed there for gas one year enroute to Wisconsin. Thanks for sharing that video. You fly lower than Jack P. and I did under a loweringcloud deck enroute to Dodge Co. Juneau, WI after Brodhead. Must not be any cell phone towers around there. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Spar splice
Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
Santiago:I'm sure you know this, but since you have cabane bracetubes going forward to the engine mount points, you don'tneed the X-brace wires on the side, between the cabanes.You could remove them and save some weight.Hermosa, la maquina tuya...Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:47:39 -0400
Santiago:I'm sure you know this, but since you have cabane bracetubes going forward to the engine mount points, you don'tneed the X-brace wires on the side, between the cabanes.You could remove them and save some weight.Hermosa, la maquina tuya...Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:47:39 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams...
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams...That's a great story Don about landing in the grass at Auburn, IN. After I landed at Goshen, IN in 2005 a big business jet taxied up (I don'trecall the type) and as I was getting fuel only two pilots came out ofthe jet and they came right over to the Pietenpol and were asking all kindsof questions. Turns out they were there to pickup the owners of the IndianapolisColts to take them home from some B&B they were staying at near Goshen. Here I wanted to go see the jet and these two corporate pilots wanted tosee the Piet ! Mike C. PS-- here's the Piet at Romeoville, IL Lewis U. Airport when I gotweathered in enroute to Brodhead Friday night. That's a Falcon jet ofsome sort in the background. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams...That's a great story Don about landing in the grass at Auburn, IN. After I landed at Goshen, IN in 2005 a big business jet taxied up (I don'trecall the type) and as I was getting fuel only two pilots came out ofthe jet and they came right over to the Pietenpol and were asking all kindsof questions. Turns out they were there to pickup the owners of the IndianapolisColts to take them home from some B&B they were staying at near Goshen. Here I wanted to go see the jet and these two corporate pilots wanted tosee the Piet ! Mike C. PS-- here's the Piet at Romeoville, IL Lewis U. Airport when I gotweathered in enroute to Brodhead Friday night. That's a Falcon jet ofsome sort in the background. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforced "end" ribs
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Speaking of radios.....A while back, when I was having problems being understood on the radio because of all the wind noise, someone on this list suggested I put a 35mm film canister, with a small hole, over the mike. I'm here to tell you it works great! Thanks to whom ever passed on that info to me.Gene N502R ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforced "end" ribs
Speaking of radios.....A while back, when I was having problems being understood on the radio because of all the wind noise, someone on this list suggested I put a 35mm film canister, with a small hole, over the mike. I'm here to tell you it works great! Thanks to whom ever passed on that info to me.Gene N502R ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforced "end" ribs
Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams...
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Well, maybe I misunderstood what you wrote.What I read was you talking about other builders reinforcing the wing tip "incaseof ground loops", and then you said that you were thinking of adding some plywoodto your wingtips (I think). That sounds to me like you're planning to reinforceyour wing tips in preparation for a ground loop.As for fire protection, I have only one thing to say. THE AIRPLANE IS BUILT OFWOOD.Wood burns. But gasoline burns more readily than wood. I would imagine that thefuel had more to do with the unfortunate circumstance you mentioned than thefact that it was an open cockpit, or what materials the plane was built of. Iwould hazard a guess that those poor people that perished in their crash mostlikely were burned by the fuel that spilled, far more that the wooden structure(if it even was a wooden airframe). Crashing on landing is a possibility withevery flight - but that is a known risk that all pilots take (as is the riskof a crash with every trip we take in an automobile). Perhaps a more effectivesafety feature might be the use of a fuel cell, such as those used in race cars,which would limit the flow of fuel out of a ruptured fuel tank.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams...
Well, maybe I misunderstood what you wrote.What I read was you talking about other builders reinforcing the wing tip "incaseof ground loops", and then you said that you were thinking of adding some plywoodto your wingtips (I think). That sounds to me like you're planning to reinforceyour wing tips in preparation for a ground loop.As for fire protection, I have only one thing to say. THE AIRPLANE IS BUILT OFWOOD.Wood burns. But gasoline burns more readily than wood. I would imagine that thefuel had more to do with the unfortunate circumstance you mentioned than thefact that it was an open cockpit, or what materials the plane was built of. Iwould hazard a guess that those poor people that perished in their crash mostlikely were burned by the fuel that spilled, far more that the wooden structure(if it even was a wooden airframe). Crashing on landing is a possibility withevery flight - but that is a known risk that all pilots take (as is the riskof a crash with every trip we take in an automobile). Perhaps a more effectivesafety feature might be the use of a fuel cell, such as those used in race cars,which would limit the flow of fuel out of a ruptured fuel tank.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams...
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Well Shad, that's a pretty good story! They don't call Bill by his initials fornothing! B. S. Ha! The visibility wasn't the best. I was leading for a whilethen I think he did pull ahead and give the rain a test. Sure enough itwas rain! Now that I think of it he did lead us up there to Auburn. I was thefirst to land. He must have waited until the Gulfstream took off. Anyway thelooks on their faces was priceless! By the way, I have a ton of respect for Bill See. He's a great guy with lots offlying wisdom. It's a real treat to hang out with him! As a matter of facteven though it seemed to take forever to get home, that trip out of OSH withyou and that whole gang was the highlight of my summer of flying. Loads of fun!Thanks Shad!On a totally different note... I'd love to fly out to the islands next Spring andcamp out for the weekend. Wouldn't it be cool if we could do a little Pietgathering up at Wakeman or somewhere up that way and fly out there together.Maybe we could get Mike C. and Frank P. and possibly Skip G. and all go out theretogether.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Well Shad, that's a pretty good story! They don't call Bill by his initials fornothing! B. S. Ha! The visibility wasn't the best. I was leading for a whilethen I think he did pull ahead and give the rain a test. Sure enough itwas rain! Now that I think of it he did lead us up there to Auburn. I was thefirst to land. He must have waited until the Gulfstream took off. Anyway thelooks on their faces was priceless! By the way, I have a ton of respect for Bill See. He's a great guy with lots offlying wisdom. It's a real treat to hang out with him! As a matter of facteven though it seemed to take forever to get home, that trip out of OSH withyou and that whole gang was the highlight of my summer of flying. Loads of fun!Thanks Shad!On a totally different note... I'd love to fly out to the islands next Spring andcamp out for the weekend. Wouldn't it be cool if we could do a little Pietgathering up at Wakeman or somewhere up that way and fly out there together.Maybe we could get Mike C. and Frank P. and possibly Skip G. and all go out theretogether.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforced "end" ribs
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
William Wynn's crash and burn and after the fact analysisshould be required reading for all of us.The plane and passengers would have been OK exceptthat the routing of the fuel line caused it to shear off whenthe wing slammed forward.http://flycorvair.com/wynne.htmlA few pics down you can see that the line comes straightout of the tank and down the cabane. It should have hada stress relieving, 360 spiral at the tank exit.Clif>> As for fire protection, I have only one thing to say. THE AIRPLANE IS > BUILT OF WOOD.Perhaps a more effective safety feature might be the use of a fuel cell, such as those used in race cars, which would limit the flow of fuel out of a ruptured fuel tank.>> Bill C.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:02:39 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforced "end" ribs
William Wynn's crash and burn and after the fact analysisshould be required reading for all of us.The plane and passengers would have been OK exceptthat the routing of the fuel line caused it to shear off whenthe wing slammed forward.http://flycorvair.com/wynne.htmlA few pics down you can see that the line comes straightout of the tank and down the cabane. It should have hada stress relieving, 360 spiral at the tank exit.Clif>> As for fire protection, I have only one thing to say. THE AIRPLANE IS > BUILT OF WOOD.Perhaps a more effective safety feature might be the use of a fuel cell, such as those used in race cars, which would limit the flow of fuel out of a ruptured fuel tank.>> Bill C.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:02:39 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforced "end" ribs
Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood web spar-- the right plywoods
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood web spar-- the right plywoods
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood web spar-- the right plywoods
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforced "end" ribs
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforced "end" ribs
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforced "end" ribs
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforced "end" ribs
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforced "end" ribs
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reinforced "end" ribs
Re: Pietenpol-List: translating Jorge's post- #1
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Hi dear Piets, well, after to let the piet for almost two years now i have time for work on it, i will clean all (to many dust) ,finish the fuel tank and install it... JorgeDonde estas ubicado? yo estoy en la Ciudad de Mexico, tengo ya algunos aos trabajando en mi Pietenpol...SaludosJavier Cruzpd. good translation Oscar________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:57:23 -0400 (EDT)
Hi dear Piets, well, after to let the piet for almost two years now i have time for work on it, i will clean all (to many dust) ,finish the fuel tank and install it... JorgeDonde estas ubicado? yo estoy en la Ciudad de Mexico, tengo ya algunos aos trabajando en mi Pietenpol...SaludosJavier Cruzpd. good translation Oscar________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:57:23 -0400 (EDT)
Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams...
Original Posted By: Ross Alexander
Ross, I just took off the cap (I used a plastic cannister) and slipped the cannister over the mic, with the small hole I drilled in line with the mic. I was then able to slip a foam mic cover over the cannister. Everyone reported good audio. I should have mentioned that I used coflex (stuff that is used by nurses to secure a bandage), to wrap the mic in before I put the cannister on. You can buy it at any drug store. The colfax keep the cannister from slipping off.Gene ----- Original Message -----
Ross, I just took off the cap (I used a plastic cannister) and slipped the cannister over the mic, with the small hole I drilled in line with the mic. I was then able to slip a foam mic cover over the cannister. Everyone reported good audio. I should have mentioned that I used coflex (stuff that is used by nurses to secure a bandage), to wrap the mic in before I put the cannister on. You can buy it at any drug store. The colfax keep the cannister from slipping off.Gene ----- Original Message -----
> Pietenpol-List: intercostals wing rib
Original Posted By: Ryan M
RE: Pietenpol-List: intercostals wing rib
Original Posted By:> pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net
Intercostal is a term used frequently in sailboat construction. Typically a longitudinal face between the deck and the hull side on a 45 degree angle. Steve in Maine
Intercostal is a term used frequently in sailboat construction. Typically a longitudinal face between the deck and the hull side on a 45 degree angle. Steve in Maine
> RE: Pietenpol-List: intercostals wing rib
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> .net>> > Tim=2C "intercostal" is just a fancy word for a structural member between two> other structural members=2C when there is no other word for it. It is really> a medical term=2C meaning "between the ribs"=2C but I know there were some> "intercostals" between the fuselage bulkheads on the F-16. They were> usually added to provide a surface to mount something on - e.g.=2C I remember> there was an intercostal in the cockpit of the F-16 between a couple of> bulkheads that provided the mount for the throttle lever.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Raleigh=2C NC> In Rainy North Vernon Indiana tonight> > -----Original Message-----
> .net>> > Tim=2C "intercostal" is just a fancy word for a structural member between two> other structural members=2C when there is no other word for it. It is really> a medical term=2C meaning "between the ribs"=2C but I know there were some> "intercostals" between the fuselage bulkheads on the F-16. They were> usually added to provide a surface to mount something on - e.g.=2C I remember> there was an intercostal in the cockpit of the F-16 between a couple of> bulkheads that provided the mount for the throttle lever.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Raleigh=2C NC> In Rainy North Vernon Indiana tonight> > -----Original Message-----