Original Posted By: "j_dunavin"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuss about rustAndrew King would know this for sure but when they recovered Alan Rudolph's old1930's PietenpolAir Camper (that Frank Pavliga now owns) I don't recall them having to replacethe rusted nailsholding the wing rib gussets unless the actual gusset glue joint was loose. Besides, if you use staples, cement-coated, brass plated steel nails (I did) andyou varnish overthe whole thing they really shouldn't rust anyway and if a 1930's wing is stillflying in good shapewith rusty nails I don't see all the worry over something that is only needed for12 hours of gluecuring. Mike C.Not one to dance on the head of a pin....________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
Re: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Boiled fish?--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:34:16 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
Boiled fish?--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:34:16 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
Re: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
There goes the neighborhood.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:54:40 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
There goes the neighborhood.--------Mark ChouinardFinishing up Wings - Working on Center SectionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:54:40 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
Re: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
RE: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I went with the A65 Continental for several reasons:1. I had owned an A65 before on a J-3 Cub and was familiar with it2. I had owned a Corvair engine before on a Corvair and was familiar with it3. I already had all the tools I would need to overhaul the A654. The A65 is rated at 1500 hours TBO, and is as near bulletproof as youare likely to find in the 50 - 125 hp range5. I don't mind hand-propping - I rather enjoy it6. I like the sound of the A657. I didn't want a Model A because I know nothing about working on it, anddon't know how to pour babbit bearings. I do like the pockita pockitasound of it, though.8. I would prefer a small (100 hp) radial engine, but haven't found one thatmeets my requirements for cost and reliabilityJack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
I went with the A65 Continental for several reasons:1. I had owned an A65 before on a J-3 Cub and was familiar with it2. I had owned a Corvair engine before on a Corvair and was familiar with it3. I already had all the tools I would need to overhaul the A654. The A65 is rated at 1500 hours TBO, and is as near bulletproof as youare likely to find in the 50 - 125 hp range5. I don't mind hand-propping - I rather enjoy it6. I like the sound of the A657. I didn't want a Model A because I know nothing about working on it, anddon't know how to pour babbit bearings. I do like the pockita pockitasound of it, though.8. I would prefer a small (100 hp) radial engine, but haven't found one thatmeets my requirements for cost and reliabilityJack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: which power plant???
Original Posted By: Doug Dever
> What motor do you have in your Piet, and why did you decide to use it? > Please give any and all reasons. Even if you did the Model A just for looks alone,I want to know. Dont know if this will help, but you wanted to know. Im working on what may endup being the longest Pietenpol project ever (started in 1974). I took on apartner to build two of them in the 1980s (hes doing the wings and Im doing fuselageand engines). We wanted the classic straight axles but Bernard warnedme that it was heavier. We rationalized that saving the weight difference witha metal fuselage would be the way to go and commissioned a certified welderto create two of them with conventional mounts (Continental or Lycoming flat-fours)but we both loved the Model-A looks and sound.We decided to make the pilgrimage to Mecca (Brodhead) specifically to compare performanceof A/C flat-fours, Corvair and Model-A engines. I took a ride withBill Knight (Model-A) and my partner flew with Virl Deal (Corvair) and we bothwatched the different ships come and go during the weekend. In the end, weboth decided that the Model-A compared favorably with the other ships and aftergetting home modified our ships to accept the Model-A. I assume its the oldtheory of moving a small amount of air at a high velocity versus moving a largevolume of air slowly but we were impressed with the Model-A.As background, I live in a forested state (Washington) where the trees are typically150 to 200 feet tall and some airports look like swaths cut out of the trees.I used to own and fly N2431 (now owned by Ernie Moreno) and back then itwas 150lbs overweight and the Franklin 65 engine was pretty anemic I had alot of fun in that plane but some stressful moments as well. Pete Bowers owneda Model-A powered ship (688Y) nearby and it seemed to perform fine with bothof us on board.I have not finished my Model-A project (626E) yet, nor do I know what it will weigh,so perhaps my decision was incorrect. The advice mentioned earlier aboutnot selecting your power plant based on initial cost seems the wisest. Youand your dad have a dream my advice is to strive towards that dream being realisticand safe. If youre unsure and your dad wants the Model-A, Id lean thatdirection. A lot of Model-As have been replaced with conventional engines fora lot of different reasons, but theres a lot of them still flying. Im sorryfor the ramble but I too went through your assessment process either way, itsa great experience.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> What motor do you have in your Piet, and why did you decide to use it? > Please give any and all reasons. Even if you did the Model A just for looks alone,I want to know. Dont know if this will help, but you wanted to know. Im working on what may endup being the longest Pietenpol project ever (started in 1974). I took on apartner to build two of them in the 1980s (hes doing the wings and Im doing fuselageand engines). We wanted the classic straight axles but Bernard warnedme that it was heavier. We rationalized that saving the weight difference witha metal fuselage would be the way to go and commissioned a certified welderto create two of them with conventional mounts (Continental or Lycoming flat-fours)but we both loved the Model-A looks and sound.We decided to make the pilgrimage to Mecca (Brodhead) specifically to compare performanceof A/C flat-fours, Corvair and Model-A engines. I took a ride withBill Knight (Model-A) and my partner flew with Virl Deal (Corvair) and we bothwatched the different ships come and go during the weekend. In the end, weboth decided that the Model-A compared favorably with the other ships and aftergetting home modified our ships to accept the Model-A. I assume its the oldtheory of moving a small amount of air at a high velocity versus moving a largevolume of air slowly but we were impressed with the Model-A.As background, I live in a forested state (Washington) where the trees are typically150 to 200 feet tall and some airports look like swaths cut out of the trees.I used to own and fly N2431 (now owned by Ernie Moreno) and back then itwas 150lbs overweight and the Franklin 65 engine was pretty anemic I had alot of fun in that plane but some stressful moments as well. Pete Bowers owneda Model-A powered ship (688Y) nearby and it seemed to perform fine with bothof us on board.I have not finished my Model-A project (626E) yet, nor do I know what it will weigh,so perhaps my decision was incorrect. The advice mentioned earlier aboutnot selecting your power plant based on initial cost seems the wisest. Youand your dad have a dream my advice is to strive towards that dream being realisticand safe. If youre unsure and your dad wants the Model-A, Id lean thatdirection. A lot of Model-As have been replaced with conventional engines fora lot of different reasons, but theres a lot of them still flying. Im sorryfor the ramble but I too went through your assessment process either way, itsa great experience.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
Original Posted By:> j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com
I'm by no means an expert on anything Pietenpol. I've decided (At least for now.) on a Model A. But since I started on the wings first I figure I have a couple years still to decide. Just buy the plans=2C study them=2C buy the books watch all the EAA videos=2C get building. If you still have questions=2C search the archives. If you can't find an answer=2C ask=2C someone will answer it. I'm on about as limited a budget as you can get. I have way more time than money. Sometimes neither. But that will change. Anyone can usually find 5-10 bucks a day. (Quit somking and drinking so much beer:-0. That will build you an airplane. That will also hanger it and buy some gas every month and some liability insurance. At least around here.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio> Subject: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
I'm by no means an expert on anything Pietenpol. I've decided (At least for now.) on a Model A. But since I started on the wings first I figure I have a couple years still to decide. Just buy the plans=2C study them=2C buy the books watch all the EAA videos=2C get building. If you still have questions=2C search the archives. If you can't find an answer=2C ask=2C someone will answer it. I'm on about as limited a budget as you can get. I have way more time than money. Sometimes neither. But that will change. Anyone can usually find 5-10 bucks a day. (Quit somking and drinking so much beer:-0. That will build you an airplane. That will also hanger it and buy some gas every month and some liability insurance. At least around here.Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio> Subject: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
RE: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
J,My reason for choosing the Corvair was not for any of the 'good' reasonsthat Ryan M. mentioned, or any of the others who gave input. In thebeginning I was truly enamored with the Model A, but eventually stumbledupon the picture of the "Last Original." Being personally compelled to walka 'less traveled' path, well, the rest just followed.BTW - Don't order the plans "soon." Order them TONIGHT!Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear20 ribs done-----Original Message-----
J,My reason for choosing the Corvair was not for any of the 'good' reasonsthat Ryan M. mentioned, or any of the others who gave input. In thebeginning I was truly enamored with the Model A, but eventually stumbledupon the picture of the "Last Original." Being personally compelled to walka 'less traveled' path, well, the rest just followed.BTW - Don't order the plans "soon." Order them TONIGHT!Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear20 ribs done-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
My fuse and wing ribs have nothing except glue,but seeing mine in action I would have used it ina flash on all that stuff and will when I'm puttingthe wing together. That thing is the fault I woundup with my lathe/mill combo that has already savedme more than it cost! :-)Clif>> Has anyone used a pin nailer to hold their rib gussets in place? I >> played with mine last night and it seems to me it would be good way to >> go. The pins are 1/2 inch long and 23 gauge. That's a smaller gauge >> than the nails (20 gauge). I would prefer a shorter length but this is >> the shortest my Porter- Cable pin nailer will handle.>>>> --------________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 21:32:59 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
My fuse and wing ribs have nothing except glue,but seeing mine in action I would have used it ina flash on all that stuff and will when I'm puttingthe wing together. That thing is the fault I woundup with my lathe/mill combo that has already savedme more than it cost! :-)Clif>> Has anyone used a pin nailer to hold their rib gussets in place? I >> played with mine last night and it seems to me it would be good way to >> go. The pins are 1/2 inch long and 23 gauge. That's a smaller gauge >> than the nails (20 gauge). I would prefer a shorter length but this is >> the shortest my Porter- Cable pin nailer will handle.>>>> --------________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 21:32:59 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???