Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
I've finally gotten around to downloading the pictures that I took at Old Kingsbury.Here are the ones of their Sky Scout, which does not look to be airworthyto me.--------Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXAir Camper NX41CCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p101 ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout pix
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout pix
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
The Kingsbury Scout might have been the model for this RC model.http://www.stevensaero.com/StevensAero- ... 0.htmlIt's a cutey.--------Al RiceSkybolt 260RV-9AHelping with my grandson's PietRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scou ... __________
The Kingsbury Scout might have been the model for this RC model.http://www.stevensaero.com/StevensAero- ... 0.htmlIt's a cutey.--------Al RiceSkybolt 260RV-9AHelping with my grandson's PietRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scou ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout pix
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Oscar,Thanks for the pictures of the Sky Scout. Since I am building one, very slowly, I am quite interested in pictures and all the info available. If you, or anyone else, has additional information; I would really appreciate it.Thanks and fly SAFELY,Ray KrauseWaiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder, Garmin Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 231 hrs. Also building Sky Scout.----- Original Message -----
Oscar,Thanks for the pictures of the Sky Scout. Since I am building one, very slowly, I am quite interested in pictures and all the info available. If you, or anyone else, has additional information; I would really appreciate it.Thanks and fly SAFELY,Ray KrauseWaiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder, Garmin Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 231 hrs. Also building Sky Scout.----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: doc's email and plastic resin glue
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
First off, does anyone have a good email for Doc Mosher? Been emailing himand haven't heard back.Secondly, regarding plastic resin glue, produced by "weldwood" or others.Resourcinol is not what is commonly referred to as "plastic resin" glue.Resourcinol is the two part, dark red glue that is a fabulous product andFAA approved for wood. "Plastic resin" glue is/was produced by manycompanies, one of them "Weldwood" and was a powder that one mixed withwater, and it was a milky color I think.As correctly mentioned earlier, hit is officially considered "obsolete" andit's use is discouraged due to the reasons mentioned. These reasons didn'tcome out of thin air, but from painful experience over time. Yes, some havehad luck with it, but others have not. The stuff has been banned inAustralia for airplane use for the same reasons. Also as mentioned earlier, I am finishing up a rebuild of the parts thatwere build using plastic resin glue because of glue joint failures, andthese were done in the early nineties. None of this makes me an expert, butI have understandably done a little research into the issue. One thing Ican say is that nobody agrees exactly what the problem was with the jointsin my project. The builder who started it used the plastic resin (I usedT-88 on everything I built) and his woodworking skills were beyond question,however some of the glue joints were bad. Whether this was because ofimproper mixing, mixing in the wrong temperature, heat the moisturedegrading the joint or what, nobody who inspected my plane can agree. Butreally. WHO CARES!!! WHY USE IT??!!My $.02 worth on this subject (for what it's worth) is why on earth not justuse one of the great adhesives available that are not in contention? Ifthere are so many doubts, and even bans on a product, and there are otherproven options, why even risk the possibility that you'll have a plane fullof bad joints like mine was??Sorry if I ranted.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: doc's email and plastic resin glue
First off, does anyone have a good email for Doc Mosher? Been emailing himand haven't heard back.Secondly, regarding plastic resin glue, produced by "weldwood" or others.Resourcinol is not what is commonly referred to as "plastic resin" glue.Resourcinol is the two part, dark red glue that is a fabulous product andFAA approved for wood. "Plastic resin" glue is/was produced by manycompanies, one of them "Weldwood" and was a powder that one mixed withwater, and it was a milky color I think.As correctly mentioned earlier, hit is officially considered "obsolete" andit's use is discouraged due to the reasons mentioned. These reasons didn'tcome out of thin air, but from painful experience over time. Yes, some havehad luck with it, but others have not. The stuff has been banned inAustralia for airplane use for the same reasons. Also as mentioned earlier, I am finishing up a rebuild of the parts thatwere build using plastic resin glue because of glue joint failures, andthese were done in the early nineties. None of this makes me an expert, butI have understandably done a little research into the issue. One thing Ican say is that nobody agrees exactly what the problem was with the jointsin my project. The builder who started it used the plastic resin (I usedT-88 on everything I built) and his woodworking skills were beyond question,however some of the glue joints were bad. Whether this was because ofimproper mixing, mixing in the wrong temperature, heat the moisturedegrading the joint or what, nobody who inspected my plane can agree. Butreally. WHO CARES!!! WHY USE IT??!!My $.02 worth on this subject (for what it's worth) is why on earth not justuse one of the great adhesives available that are not in contention? Ifthere are so many doubts, and even bans on a product, and there are otherproven options, why even risk the possibility that you'll have a plane fullof bad joints like mine was??Sorry if I ranted.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: doc's email and plastic resin glue
Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
Couldn't agree more Douwe. I've never had any problems with T-88. The West systemis good stuff too. Sometimes the turbulence gets a little rough and I'm glad I made sample glue jointsand tested them and feel confident in them.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Couldn't agree more Douwe. I've never had any problems with T-88. The West systemis good stuff too. Sometimes the turbulence gets a little rough and I'm glad I made sample glue jointsand tested them and feel confident in them.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: doc's email and plastic resin glue
Original Posted By: Douwe Blumberg
I quote from Aircraft Spruce catologue -- "Weldwood Plastic Resin glue is water-resistant and is FAA approved for use in certified aircraft and has been used for many years in a wide range of aircraft applications. Conforms to Federal Spec. MMM-A-188b, Type ll...It is unaffected by gasoline and solvents....Excellent for use on wood structures." If my airplane falls apart in midair, I will call Aircraft Spruce and tell them they don't know what they are talking about.----- Original Message -----
I quote from Aircraft Spruce catologue -- "Weldwood Plastic Resin glue is water-resistant and is FAA approved for use in certified aircraft and has been used for many years in a wide range of aircraft applications. Conforms to Federal Spec. MMM-A-188b, Type ll...It is unaffected by gasoline and solvents....Excellent for use on wood structures." If my airplane falls apart in midair, I will call Aircraft Spruce and tell them they don't know what they are talking about.----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: doc's email and plastic resin glue
Original Posted By: douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net
Well=2C because if it is mixed and used properly=2C the plastic resin glue is perfectly fine and has worked well for 100 years. I have never had any problems with it. To each his own . . . Gene
Well=2C because if it is mixed and used properly=2C the plastic resin glue is perfectly fine and has worked well for 100 years. I have never had any problems with it. To each his own . . . Gene
Re: Pietenpol-List: doc's email and plastic resin glue
Original Posted By: Douwe Blumberg
Douwe, Just wanted to let you know (for whatever it's worth to you) that I'm really proud of you for "hitching up you pants" and going forward with your rebuild. I know it wasn't easy to start again, but it's amazing what mountain you can climb when you've got the balls to keep going.Gene In beautiful TennesseePast caretaker of N502R
Douwe, Just wanted to let you know (for whatever it's worth to you) that I'm really proud of you for "hitching up you pants" and going forward with your rebuild. I know it wasn't easy to start again, but it's amazing what mountain you can climb when you've got the balls to keep going.Gene In beautiful TennesseePast caretaker of N502R
Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout pix
Original Posted By: "Ray Krause"
OscarThanks for the pics of the Sky Scout. I am also building one. Ray, we will have to chat in the future about this one.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
OscarThanks for the pics of the Sky Scout. I am also building one. Ray, we will have to chat in the future about this one.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout pix
Original Posted By: "899PM"
I love beating a dead horse...Chuck - This may be a better answer to your initial question: if I were startingagain I would likely use the $6000, 0 time C-85 with starter and generator thatBill Church mentions. I don't think I have $6000 in the motor but I thinkwe'd be getting close with the fifth bearing.I'm thoroughly satisfied with my corvair and do not regret the choice.Now if I could just get it to provide thrust at night! (that was funny, Bill)--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout pix
I love beating a dead horse...Chuck - This may be a better answer to your initial question: if I were startingagain I would likely use the $6000, 0 time C-85 with starter and generator thatBill Church mentions. I don't think I have $6000 in the motor but I thinkwe'd be getting close with the fifth bearing.I'm thoroughly satisfied with my corvair and do not regret the choice.Now if I could just get it to provide thrust at night! (that was funny, Bill)--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout pix
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout pix
Original Posted By: "899PM"
Thanks for the wonderful pictures of the Sky Scout! If there are any other pictures, please let me know, or send them along. I would REALLY appreciate it.Thanks and fly SAFELY,Ray KrauseWaiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder, Garmin Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 231 hrs., building the Sky Scout .... slowly----- Original Message -----
Thanks for the wonderful pictures of the Sky Scout! If there are any other pictures, please let me know, or send them along. I would REALLY appreciate it.Thanks and fly SAFELY,Ray KrauseWaiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder, Garmin Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 231 hrs., building the Sky Scout .... slowly----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks for the encouragement
Original Posted By: "Dangerous Dave"
Actually, that beautiful Sky Scout that Dennis Hall completed isn't in Brodheadanymore. It was sold, and now lives in the Port Townsend Aero Museum, in Washington,not too far from Seattle.http://www.ptaeromuseum.com/pietenpol.htmlBill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks for the encouragement
Actually, that beautiful Sky Scout that Dennis Hall completed isn't in Brodheadanymore. It was sold, and now lives in the Port Townsend Aero Museum, in Washington,not too far from Seattle.http://www.ptaeromuseum.com/pietenpol.htmlBill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks for the encouragement
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks for the encouragement
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
I'm gonna hafta get down there. Why is there always toomuch to do??Like updating my website. :-)http://www.clifdawson.ca/Clif>> Actually, that beautiful Sky Scout that Dennis Hall completed now lives in > the Port Townsend Aero Museum, in Washington, not too far from Seattle.>>> http://www.ptaeromuseum.com/pietenpol.html>> Bill C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks for the encouragement
I'm gonna hafta get down there. Why is there always toomuch to do??Like updating my website. :-)http://www.clifdawson.ca/Clif>> Actually, that beautiful Sky Scout that Dennis Hall completed now lives in > the Port Townsend Aero Museum, in Washington, not too far from Seattle.>>> http://www.ptaeromuseum.com/pietenpol.html>> Bill C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks for the encouragement
Original Posted By: Dangerous Dave
Hi Dave,I think what Chuck meant was gluing the fabric to the undercamber part of the ribs only. I believe this is a generally accepted method, prior to rib stitching, of insuring that the fabric can follow a undercambered-type rib.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.-----Original Message-----
Hi Dave,I think what Chuck meant was gluing the fabric to the undercamber part of the ribs only. I believe this is a generally accepted method, prior to rib stitching, of insuring that the fabric can follow a undercambered-type rib.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks for the encouragement
Original Posted By: "Dangerous Dave"
Kip asked->Oscar, how IS the C-85 working out? Better, I hopeI swapped my A65 for an A75, not a C85. And it is doingquite well, thank you. Not that I ever felt like theairplane was particularly under-powered with the A65, andnot that the 65 was running poorly (it is now pulling DocHecker's Taylorcraft around south Texas), but the opportunityto acquire the 75 core came up and I decided to have itoverhauled into a "new" engine. Pix and story on the engineand swap are at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.htmlI'll tell you this, though... with two aboard and about thesame amount of fuel, Kevin Purtee's "Fat Bottomed Girl" ran awayfrom "Scout" with no problem. My engine has 171 cu. in. andis rated 75HP at 2600 RPM for takeoff. Kevin's engine has 164cu. in. and is rated 100HP at 3150 RPM for takeoff so he hasessentially 33% more power than I do, at about the same cost.And Kip also wrote->Can you get a C-85 or C-95 rebuilt to zero time for 6K?>In the last post, I meant C-90 (O-200) of course.Well, let's sort through this a bit. The C85, C90, and O-200are all birds of a feather but then again they're different.For more on this subject, you can read my article "The SmallContinentals" in the current issue of Contact! Magazine. Fora representative cost for a rebuilt O-200, here's one thatmy friend Jeff Scott has for sale for $6500:http://jscott.comlu.com/Engines/O-200%2 ... 2.htmlJeff (and Doug Reid, his machinist) did the overhaul on my A75.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"San Antonio, TXwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks for the encouragement
Kip asked->Oscar, how IS the C-85 working out? Better, I hopeI swapped my A65 for an A75, not a C85. And it is doingquite well, thank you. Not that I ever felt like theairplane was particularly under-powered with the A65, andnot that the 65 was running poorly (it is now pulling DocHecker's Taylorcraft around south Texas), but the opportunityto acquire the 75 core came up and I decided to have itoverhauled into a "new" engine. Pix and story on the engineand swap are at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.htmlI'll tell you this, though... with two aboard and about thesame amount of fuel, Kevin Purtee's "Fat Bottomed Girl" ran awayfrom "Scout" with no problem. My engine has 171 cu. in. andis rated 75HP at 2600 RPM for takeoff. Kevin's engine has 164cu. in. and is rated 100HP at 3150 RPM for takeoff so he hasessentially 33% more power than I do, at about the same cost.And Kip also wrote->Can you get a C-85 or C-95 rebuilt to zero time for 6K?>In the last post, I meant C-90 (O-200) of course.Well, let's sort through this a bit. The C85, C90, and O-200are all birds of a feather but then again they're different.For more on this subject, you can read my article "The SmallContinentals" in the current issue of Contact! Magazine. Fora representative cost for a rebuilt O-200, here's one thatmy friend Jeff Scott has for sale for $6500:http://jscott.comlu.com/Engines/O-200%2 ... 2.htmlJeff (and Doug Reid, his machinist) did the overhaul on my A75.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"San Antonio, TXwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks for the encouragement
Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
Dan,I have never seen where it is legal to do that.It is only a half inch awayfrom the ribs at the farthest and if you use the correct 3 1/2" rib stiching itjust pull right down anyway.If you glued it it could pull up the reinforcingtape and missalign it so as the fabric would directly contact the ribs and eventualycut through the fabric.dave--------Covering PietRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Dan,I have never seen where it is legal to do that.It is only a half inch awayfrom the ribs at the farthest and if you use the correct 3 1/2" rib stiching itjust pull right down anyway.If you glued it it could pull up the reinforcingtape and missalign it so as the fabric would directly contact the ribs and eventualycut through the fabric.dave--------Covering PietRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thanks for the encouragement
Original Posted By: "Dangerous Dave"
Dave, I tried to scan a page out of the Poly Fiber manual but my scanner is broken, I guess. So I'll quote: "Before you attach any fabric, brush the LOWER rib capstrips only with two coats of Poly-Tac cement. Let the cement dry. Now attach the upper and lower wing fabric exactly as described.....Mix a solution of Poly-Tac thinned 1 to 1 with MEK. Brush this into the fabric over the bottom rib capstrips. This solution will soak through the fabric and soften the Poly-Tac previously applied to the bottom capstrips. This will CEMENT THE FABRIC TO THE CONCAVE BOTTOM OF THE RIBS (Emphasis mine)." I'm sure that if the Poly Fiber process is "approved" then the Stewart process would be, also. I'm sure your're talking about the top capstrips which the procedure was careful to exclude from the glueing process. Chuck----- Original Message -----
Dave, I tried to scan a page out of the Poly Fiber manual but my scanner is broken, I guess. So I'll quote: "Before you attach any fabric, brush the LOWER rib capstrips only with two coats of Poly-Tac cement. Let the cement dry. Now attach the upper and lower wing fabric exactly as described.....Mix a solution of Poly-Tac thinned 1 to 1 with MEK. Brush this into the fabric over the bottom rib capstrips. This solution will soak through the fabric and soften the Poly-Tac previously applied to the bottom capstrips. This will CEMENT THE FABRIC TO THE CONCAVE BOTTOM OF THE RIBS (Emphasis mine)." I'm sure that if the Poly Fiber process is "approved" then the Stewart process would be, also. I'm sure your're talking about the top capstrips which the procedure was careful to exclude from the glueing process. Chuck----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout pix
Original Posted By: "899PM"
Thanks for the quick report Oscar, even if I did have my facts a bit askew.
So it sounds like you CAN get a certified aircraft engine in flying condition that is comparable to a full conversion Corvair for about the same amount of $$$. We all pays our money & takes our choices & if you want to comment on this topic on THIS list, it helps if your skin is not too thin .KipOn Dec 22, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:> >>>> Kip asked->>> Oscar, how IS the C-85 working out? Better, I hope>> I swapped my A65 for an A75, not a C85. And it is doing> quite well, thank you. Not that I ever felt like the> airplane was particularly under-powered with the A65, and> not that the 65 was running poorly (it is now pulling Doc> Hecker's Taylorcraft around south Texas), but the opportunity> to acquire the 75 core came up and I decided to have it> overhauled into a "new" engine. Pix and story on the engine> and swap are at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html>> I'll tell you this, though... with two aboard and about the> same amount of fuel, Kevin Purtee's "Fat Bottomed Girl" ran away> from "Scout" with no problem. My engine has 171 cu. in. and> is rated 75HP at 2600 RPM for takeoff. Kevin's engine has 164> cu. in. and is rated 100HP at 3150 RPM for takeoff so he has> essentially 33% more power than I do, at about the same cost.>> And Kip also wrote->>> Can you get a C-85 or C-95 rebuilt to zero time for 6K?>> In the last post, I meant C-90 (O-200) of course.>> Well, let's sort through this a bit. The C85, C90, and O-200> are all birds of a feather but then again they're different.> For more on this subject, you can read my article "The Small> Continentals" in the current issue of Contact! Magazine. For> a representative cost for a rebuilt O-200, here's one that> my friend Jeff Scott has for sale for $6500:>> http://jscott.comlu.com/Engines/O-200%20engine%202.html>> Jeff (and Doug Reid, his machinist) did the overhaul on my A75.>> Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> San Antonio, TX> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout pix
Thanks for the quick report Oscar, even if I did have my facts a bit askew.
So it sounds like you CAN get a certified aircraft engine in flying condition that is comparable to a full conversion Corvair for about the same amount of $$$. We all pays our money & takes our choices & if you want to comment on this topic on THIS list, it helps if your skin is not too thin .KipOn Dec 22, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:> >>>> Kip asked->>> Oscar, how IS the C-85 working out? Better, I hope>> I swapped my A65 for an A75, not a C85. And it is doing> quite well, thank you. Not that I ever felt like the> airplane was particularly under-powered with the A65, and> not that the 65 was running poorly (it is now pulling Doc> Hecker's Taylorcraft around south Texas), but the opportunity> to acquire the 75 core came up and I decided to have it> overhauled into a "new" engine. Pix and story on the engine> and swap are at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html>> I'll tell you this, though... with two aboard and about the> same amount of fuel, Kevin Purtee's "Fat Bottomed Girl" ran away> from "Scout" with no problem. My engine has 171 cu. in. and> is rated 75HP at 2600 RPM for takeoff. Kevin's engine has 164> cu. in. and is rated 100HP at 3150 RPM for takeoff so he has> essentially 33% more power than I do, at about the same cost.>> And Kip also wrote->>> Can you get a C-85 or C-95 rebuilt to zero time for 6K?>> In the last post, I meant C-90 (O-200) of course.>> Well, let's sort through this a bit. The C85, C90, and O-200> are all birds of a feather but then again they're different.> For more on this subject, you can read my article "The Small> Continentals" in the current issue of Contact! Magazine. For> a representative cost for a rebuilt O-200, here's one that> my friend Jeff Scott has for sale for $6500:>> http://jscott.comlu.com/Engines/O-200%20engine%202.html>> Jeff (and Doug Reid, his machinist) did the overhaul on my A75.>> Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> San Antonio, TX> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout pixOriginal Posted By: shad bell
Blew some dust of these pics! These go back a ways. I wish I had gotten a chanceto fly the Scout before it migrated west.--------PAPA MIKERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ssen ... ______Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:27:07 -0800 (PST)
Blew some dust of these pics! These go back a ways. I wish I had gotten a chanceto fly the Scout before it migrated west.--------PAPA MIKERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ssen ... ______Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:27:07 -0800 (PST)
Pietenpol-List: doc's email and plastic resin glue
Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
First off=2C does anyone have a good email for Doc Mosher? Been emailing him and haven=92t heard back.Secondly=2C regarding plastic resin glue=2C produced by =93weldwood=94 or others. Resourcinol is not what is commonly referred to as =93plastic resin=94 glue. Resourcinol is the two part=2C dark red glue that is a fabulous product and FAA approved for wood. =93Plastic resin=94 glue is/was produced by many companies=2C one of them =93Weldwood=94 and was a powder that one mixed with water=2C and it was a milky color I think.As correctly mentioned earlier=2C hit is officially considered =93obsolete=94 and it=92s use is discouraged due to the reasons mentioned. These reasons didn=92t come out of thin air=2C but from painful experience over time. Yes=2C some have had luck with it=2C but others have not. The stuff has been banned in Australia for airplane use for the same reasons. Also as mentioned earlier=2C I am finishing up a rebuild of the parts that were build using plastic resin glue because of glue joint failures=2C and these were done in the early nineties. None of this makes me an expert=2C but I have understandably done a little research into the issue. One thing I can say is that nobody agrees exactly what the problem was with the joints in my project. The builder who started it used the plastic resin (I used T-88 on everything I built) and his woodworking skills were beyond question=2C however some of the glue joints were bad. Whether this was because of improper mixing=2C mixing in the wrong temperature=2C heat the moisture degrading the joint or what=2C nobody who inspected my plane can agree. But really=85 WHO CARES!!! WHY USE IT??!!My $.02 worth on this subject (for what it=92s worth) is why on earth not just use one of the great adhesives available that are not in contention? If there are so many doubts=2C and even bans on a product=2C and there are other proven options=2C why even risk the possibility that you=92ll have a plane full of bad joints like mine was??Sorry if I ranted=85Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
First off=2C does anyone have a good email for Doc Mosher? Been emailing him and haven=92t heard back.Secondly=2C regarding plastic resin glue=2C produced by =93weldwood=94 or others. Resourcinol is not what is commonly referred to as =93plastic resin=94 glue. Resourcinol is the two part=2C dark red glue that is a fabulous product and FAA approved for wood. =93Plastic resin=94 glue is/was produced by many companies=2C one of them =93Weldwood=94 and was a powder that one mixed with water=2C and it was a milky color I think.As correctly mentioned earlier=2C hit is officially considered =93obsolete=94 and it=92s use is discouraged due to the reasons mentioned. These reasons didn=92t come out of thin air=2C but from painful experience over time. Yes=2C some have had luck with it=2C but others have not. The stuff has been banned in Australia for airplane use for the same reasons. Also as mentioned earlier=2C I am finishing up a rebuild of the parts that were build using plastic resin glue because of glue joint failures=2C and these were done in the early nineties. None of this makes me an expert=2C but I have understandably done a little research into the issue. One thing I can say is that nobody agrees exactly what the problem was with the joints in my project. The builder who started it used the plastic resin (I used T-88 on everything I built) and his woodworking skills were beyond question=2C however some of the glue joints were bad. Whether this was because of improper mixing=2C mixing in the wrong temperature=2C heat the moisture degrading the joint or what=2C nobody who inspected my plane can agree. But really=85 WHO CARES!!! WHY USE IT??!!My $.02 worth on this subject (for what it=92s worth) is why on earth not just use one of the great adhesives available that are not in contention? If there are so many doubts=2C and even bans on a product=2C and there are other proven options=2C why even risk the possibility that you=92ll have a plane full of bad joints like mine was??Sorry if I ranted=85Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________