Original Posted By: "tkreiner"
Steve=3BThe airplane doesn't know or care who is piloting the airplane=2C or from which cockpit. My first couple of hours (and first couple of dozen landings) in Scout were made with me in the front cockpit and my instructor in the back. Thus=2C I learned to fly the airplane without benefit of instruments of any kind=2C and I thought that was a good thing. I've flown it from the front seat (with another pilot in back) on different occasions and I find the sensation exhilarating. The propeller is so close you can touch it (or so it seems)=2C and there is a much different feel when you're essentially on the CG. It's fun. It makes the airplane seem smaller=2C sportier.However=2C there are three controls in the front cockpit of my airplane that I consider to be essential to safety of flight and operation=2C that are not replicated in the front cockpit. They are=2C in descending order of importance to me: carb heat=2C fuel shutoff=2C and ignition switch. One could argue that the brakes are sometimes essential=2C and there are no brake pedals in the front cockpit=2C but "it depends". Turf or hard surface? Calm winds or gusty? Short field or long? Brakes are nice to have=2C but probably not essential most of the time.Unless you are flying with someone who is intimately familiar with flying your airplane and who knows and understands the importance of those three controls=2C I would question the prudence of flying the airplane from the front seat while the other person is in the rear. And unless they know and understand what the brake pedals do=2C keep that person away from them. Based on my experience flying out of south Texas with a small Continental and Stromberg carb=2C the carb heat knob can be as important to you as the ripcord is to a parachutist=2C because carb ice will kill your engine or chop the available power drastically=2C and that carb heat knob can keep you in the air. And of course in an emergency situation=2C proper use of the fuel shutoff valve and ignition switch can be very important as well.My two cents.Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tore Down my engine!
Pietenpol-List: Tore Down my engine!
Original Posted By: Gardiner
A few months back, a buddy of mine sold me a Continental PC-60 Packette engine,which is virtually identical to a C-90, at least inside. Along with the PC-60,I got a C-85-12F Crankcase and four O-200 Chrome plated Cylinders, with valves...all for $250. Then, on another visit, I found second GPU engine whichI picked up for $50. The thought was that I would be able to put together onenice C-90-ish engine in a C-85 case. Since the GPU is a -12 configuration,the gears, and accessory case will allow me to have a full up electrical system.(I fly from a controlled field where they train air traffic controllers, andthey don't like aircraft without radio & xponder.)So, during the last couple of weeks, I built an engine stand, mounted the engine,and tore it down. Pics are attached.After disassembly, the crankshaft mikes mid-range of NEW specs on both main androd journals, and the only thing it needs is magnafluxing.The Cam, followers, & oil pump are all within tolerance and pristine in appearance.The pistons, however, are a different story, as they appear to be used,with a few broken rings, and ring grooves beyond the wear limits.Next, I'll vat the C-85 case and start getting bearings to build the lower end.If any of you have C-85 or 90 parts you want to offload, contact me offline andlet me know what you have. I'd really like to find a 530788 cam, and a set ofpistons...--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/phot ... ______Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:33:36 -0500
A few months back, a buddy of mine sold me a Continental PC-60 Packette engine,which is virtually identical to a C-90, at least inside. Along with the PC-60,I got a C-85-12F Crankcase and four O-200 Chrome plated Cylinders, with valves...all for $250. Then, on another visit, I found second GPU engine whichI picked up for $50. The thought was that I would be able to put together onenice C-90-ish engine in a C-85 case. Since the GPU is a -12 configuration,the gears, and accessory case will allow me to have a full up electrical system.(I fly from a controlled field where they train air traffic controllers, andthey don't like aircraft without radio & xponder.)So, during the last couple of weeks, I built an engine stand, mounted the engine,and tore it down. Pics are attached.After disassembly, the crankshaft mikes mid-range of NEW specs on both main androd journals, and the only thing it needs is magnafluxing.The Cam, followers, & oil pump are all within tolerance and pristine in appearance.The pistons, however, are a different story, as they appear to be used,with a few broken rings, and ring grooves beyond the wear limits.Next, I'll vat the C-85 case and start getting bearings to build the lower end.If any of you have C-85 or 90 parts you want to offload, contact me offline andlet me know what you have. I'd really like to find a 530788 cam, and a set ofpistons...--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/phot ... ______Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:33:36 -0500
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder
Original Posted By:> Jerry Dotson
Jerry,Very cool story about your father and his last "paycheck" from Luscombe.Skip> [Original Message]
Jerry,Very cool story about your father and his last "paycheck" from Luscombe.Skip> [Original Message]
Original Posted By: Fred Kim
Gardiner,WOW! That's great... I'll take both!Please call me at 832-326-2970, and we'll make arrangements to pay and ship.Thanks,Tom--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Gardiner,WOW! That's great... I'll take both!Please call me at 832-326-2970, and we'll make arrangements to pay and ship.Thanks,Tom--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder
Original Posted By:> skipgadd(at)earthlink.net
Thanks for all of the feedback.I will let you know what I decide and how it works out.Thanks againFred
Thanks for all of the feedback.I will let you know what I decide and how it works out.Thanks againFred
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tore Down my engine!
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Michael a show plane for sure, outstanding work!Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 20, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Michael Perez wrote:> > An alternative to threading.> > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tore Down my engine!
Michael a show plane for sure, outstanding work!Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Feb 20, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Michael Perez wrote:> > An alternative to threading.> > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tore Down my engine!
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Tom,Take a good look at the prop flange if you are going to use the GPU crank. Youwill notice that one of the six bolt holes is drilled off center. It will needto be re-drilled to to relocate it, I believe the other holes will also needto be drill to accept the prop bolt bushings. It will work. Dad has convertedseveral of these for aircraft use. The cylinder are different too. Theyare set up for a down draft carburetor whereas an aircraft engine is set up forupdraft. You got those for a very good price and there are many usable partsin them. Just make sure the parts you choose are compatible.Regards,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Tom,Take a good look at the prop flange if you are going to use the GPU crank. Youwill notice that one of the six bolt holes is drilled off center. It will needto be re-drilled to to relocate it, I believe the other holes will also needto be drill to accept the prop bolt bushings. It will work. Dad has convertedseveral of these for aircraft use. The cylinder are different too. Theyare set up for a down draft carburetor whereas an aircraft engine is set up forupdraft. You got those for a very good price and there are many usable partsin them. Just make sure the parts you choose are compatible.Regards,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tore Down my engine!
Original Posted By: "tkreiner"
This is kind of an interesting story about a local Aircamper.http://www.kvue.com/news/90-year-old-is ... tmlDanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tore Down my engine!
This is kind of an interesting story about a local Aircamper.http://www.kvue.com/news/90-year-old-is ... tmlDanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tore Down my engine!
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tore Down my engine!
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Scott,Thanks for the input! There is a guy here in the Houston area, Dirk Kretschman,who wrote this article:http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/article ... vp2.aspand after reading the article, I tracked Dirk down, and got all of the AN manualson the engine along with the LAA conversion notes to turn the engine into anaircraft engine. As I won't be using the PC-60 case, I'm only using part ofthe conversion notes.Like you mentioned, the crank flange does need to be drilled, and the centerlineof one hole needs to be relocated by a small amount. This is clearly describedin the LAA article.After disassembly, I've found that the crank mikes within the NEW LIMITS shownin the C & O Series overhaul manuals, and many of the other parts are good, aswell. I've agreed to trade the old PC-60 case and camshaft for a C-90 camshaft,and so, I'll have nearly a C-90 stuffed into a C-85 case. If you recall from my first post, along with this stuff, I got 4 chrome platedO-200 cylinders, which have no detectable wear. Lacking, however, are the intakemanifolds, spider, and several other items. Also needed are pistons and rings.The C-85 Crankcase that came with the package has some fretting on the center mainflange faces - those adjacent to the bearing bores. MY guess is that I'llhave to send the case out, and have it faced to clean up, then linebored formains and camshaft. OR am I overlooking something?At the moment, I'm cleaning all the parts, and contemplating who or where to sendthe case to for repair.Several months ago, a guy came to me with an aircraft tug that needed repair, whichI completed in trade for two 100 hr. old Slick mags to fit the engine, withgears and impulse couplings. So, the list of stuff I have for the engine is growing, but I still need severalitems. I'm not sure what's more fun, the engine work, or scrounging for parts...My total cost to date for the engine stuff is $352.00, not including afew shipping costs...--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tore Down my engine!
Scott,Thanks for the input! There is a guy here in the Houston area, Dirk Kretschman,who wrote this article:http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/article ... vp2.aspand after reading the article, I tracked Dirk down, and got all of the AN manualson the engine along with the LAA conversion notes to turn the engine into anaircraft engine. As I won't be using the PC-60 case, I'm only using part ofthe conversion notes.Like you mentioned, the crank flange does need to be drilled, and the centerlineof one hole needs to be relocated by a small amount. This is clearly describedin the LAA article.After disassembly, I've found that the crank mikes within the NEW LIMITS shownin the C & O Series overhaul manuals, and many of the other parts are good, aswell. I've agreed to trade the old PC-60 case and camshaft for a C-90 camshaft,and so, I'll have nearly a C-90 stuffed into a C-85 case. If you recall from my first post, along with this stuff, I got 4 chrome platedO-200 cylinders, which have no detectable wear. Lacking, however, are the intakemanifolds, spider, and several other items. Also needed are pistons and rings.The C-85 Crankcase that came with the package has some fretting on the center mainflange faces - those adjacent to the bearing bores. MY guess is that I'llhave to send the case out, and have it faced to clean up, then linebored formains and camshaft. OR am I overlooking something?At the moment, I'm cleaning all the parts, and contemplating who or where to sendthe case to for repair.Several months ago, a guy came to me with an aircraft tug that needed repair, whichI completed in trade for two 100 hr. old Slick mags to fit the engine, withgears and impulse couplings. So, the list of stuff I have for the engine is growing, but I still need severalitems. I'm not sure what's more fun, the engine work, or scrounging for parts...My total cost to date for the engine stuff is $352.00, not including afew shipping costs...--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tore Down my engine!
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tore Down my engine!
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Tom,I recommend sending your crankcase to Divco to overhaul it. They'll millthe faces flat, then line bore the crankshaft and camshaft. I had them domy A65 when I rebuilt it and it has never leaked a drop of oil around thecrankcase seal.Good luck!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Tom,I recommend sending your crankcase to Divco to overhaul it. They'll millthe faces flat, then line bore the crankshaft and camshaft. I had them domy A65 when I rebuilt it and it has never leaked a drop of oil around thecrankcase seal.Good luck!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Tore Down my engine!
Original Posted By: "tkreiner"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder>>> Fred,> If you are planning on welding a lot of thin aluminum plan on one of thebetter machines that have high frequency arc stabilization. I am not"current" on the new breed of tig machines. Mine is a 1980 Miller Gold Star300 which cost me $3000 back then. It has an amperage start control and aramp up control so you don't blow a hole in the material getting the arcstabilized. All the modern high end machines will have that and more. > That said an oxygen/acetylene torch will build a Piet just fine. Thesmallest Victor would be my preference. I own a Smith Airline that 65+years old. It was my dad's. The torch was his last payday from Luscombe.They went broke and told the employees to take the equipment they wereissued because there would be no money to pay them. He built engine mounts.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tore Down my engine!
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder>>> Fred,> If you are planning on welding a lot of thin aluminum plan on one of thebetter machines that have high frequency arc stabilization. I am not"current" on the new breed of tig machines. Mine is a 1980 Miller Gold Star300 which cost me $3000 back then. It has an amperage start control and aramp up control so you don't blow a hole in the material getting the arcstabilized. All the modern high end machines will have that and more. > That said an oxygen/acetylene torch will build a Piet just fine. Thesmallest Victor would be my preference. I own a Smith Airline that 65+years old. It was my dad's. The torch was his last payday from Luscombe.They went broke and told the employees to take the equipment they wereissued because there would be no money to pay them. He built engine mounts.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tore Down my engine!
> RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder
Original Posted By:> > Jerry Dotson
> earthlink.net>> > Jerry=2C> Very cool story about your father and his last "paycheck" from Luscombe.> Skip> > > > [Original Message]
> earthlink.net>> > Jerry=2C> Very cool story about your father and his last "paycheck" from Luscombe.> Skip> > > > [Original Message]
> > Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder> >> > >> > Fred=2C> > If you are planning on welding a lot of thin aluminum plan on one of the> better machines that have high frequency arc stabilization. I am not> "current" on the new breed of tig machines. Mine is a 1980 Miller Gold Star> 300 which cost me $3000 back then. It has an amperage start control and a> ramp up control so you don't blow a hole in the material getting the arc> stabilized. All the modern high end machines will have that and more. > > That said an oxygen/acetylene torch will build a Piet just fine. The> smallest Victor would be my preference. I own a Smith Airline that 65+> years old. It was my dad's. The torch was his last payday from Luscombe.> They went broke and told the employees to take the equipment they were> issued because there would be no money to pay them. He built engine mounts.> > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder> >> > >> > Fred=2C> > If you are planning on welding a lot of thin aluminum plan on one of the> better machines that have high frequency arc stabilization. I am not> "current" on the new breed of tig machines. Mine is a 1980 Miller Gold Star> 300 which cost me $3000 back then. It has an amperage start control and a> ramp up control so you don't blow a hole in the material getting the arc> stabilized. All the modern high end machines will have that and more. > > That said an oxygen/acetylene torch will build a Piet just fine. The> smallest Victor would be my preference. I own a Smith Airline that 65+> years old. It was my dad's. The torch was his last payday from Luscombe.> They went broke and told the employees to take the equipment they were> issued because there would be no money to pay them. He built engine mounts.> > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________