Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Tools and Jack,I am inclined to use the flush router bit with my router and table. Fortunately,I have an unusable rib made from jig 1.0 that needs trimming. If I muck thatone up, no great loss. I was going to hang it on the wall, so no big deal.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report
Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report
RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report> Once you get the new one in, have someone blow into the pitot while > youwatch the instrument!
> > > > Gary Boothe> > NX308MB> > OK.just kidding!> > >
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report> Once you get the new one in, have someone blow into the pitot while > youwatch the instrument!
> > > > Gary Boothe> > NX308MB> > OK.just kidding!> > > Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
A couple "o" frustrating days down here at Loensloe Airfield. As I have previously stated, I am trying to complete a now due and required BFR, to be flown in my Aeronca 15-AC Sedan. Awhile back I discovered a completely- clogged-with-mud pitot tube, thanks to our friends the mud daubers, or as some down here refer to "dirt" daubers. My first remedy was to hold a vacuum up to the tube as I simultaneously poked the dried and caked clog with a .040 safety wire. This seemed to work just fine as far as I could tell. Subsequent flights revealed erroneous readings on the low side. So I disconnected the hoses at the wing root, flushed water into the Pitot tube and then blew out with compressed air. Muddy water ejected. So I thought I had it but subsequent flight revealed no improvement. So then I disconnected the lines at the instruments and blew air through the lines that run from the wing root to the instruments. I thought I detected some dust being ejected. A subsequent flight revealed no improvement. ARGGGG. What now, a new airspeed? Could that dust have affected the instrument like that?Dan HelsperPuryear, TN________________________________________________________________________________
A couple "o" frustrating days down here at Loensloe Airfield. As I have previously stated, I am trying to complete a now due and required BFR, to be flown in my Aeronca 15-AC Sedan. Awhile back I discovered a completely- clogged-with-mud pitot tube, thanks to our friends the mud daubers, or as some down here refer to "dirt" daubers. My first remedy was to hold a vacuum up to the tube as I simultaneously poked the dried and caked clog with a .040 safety wire. This seemed to work just fine as far as I could tell. Subsequent flights revealed erroneous readings on the low side. So I disconnected the hoses at the wing root, flushed water into the Pitot tube and then blew out with compressed air. Muddy water ejected. So I thought I had it but subsequent flight revealed no improvement. So then I disconnected the lines at the instruments and blew air through the lines that run from the wing root to the instruments. I thought I detected some dust being ejected. A subsequent flight revealed no improvement. ARGGGG. What now, a new airspeed? Could that dust have affected the instrument like that?Dan HelsperPuryear, TN________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Mud daubers: A report
Original Posted By: "tools"
Second on thew ReStore. Check there often if you have one, stuff moves through ReStores really fast. Our local one often has unannounced 25% or 50% off days. I got a perfectly functional oven for the farmhouse for $50. Also a great place to pick up a beer fridge for the hangar.Kip GardnerOn Feb 24, 2013, at 6:13 AM, Wayne Bressler wrote:> >>> Terry,>> Consider looking for one at a Habitat for Humanity Re-Store. They > sell all kinds of stuff leftover from remodels, etc, and often at > very low prices. A quick google search should tell you if there's > one in your area.>> Wayne Bressler> Taildraggers, Inc.> www.taildraggersinc.com>> On Feb 23, 2013, at 10:15 AM, "jarheadpilot82" > wrote:>>> >>>>> Dave,>>>> Actually I am looking for a (cheap) crappy oven on Craigslist that >> maybe the burners on top are dead, so I can buy it and use it for >> powder coating. I am trying to avoid the "kitchen remodel to get an >> oven" deal.>>>> -------->> Semper Fi,>>>> Terry Hand>> Athens, GA>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mud daubers: A report
Second on thew ReStore. Check there often if you have one, stuff moves through ReStores really fast. Our local one often has unannounced 25% or 50% off days. I got a perfectly functional oven for the farmhouse for $50. Also a great place to pick up a beer fridge for the hangar.Kip GardnerOn Feb 24, 2013, at 6:13 AM, Wayne Bressler wrote:> >>> Terry,>> Consider looking for one at a Habitat for Humanity Re-Store. They > sell all kinds of stuff leftover from remodels, etc, and often at > very low prices. A quick google search should tell you if there's > one in your area.>> Wayne Bressler> Taildraggers, Inc.> www.taildraggersinc.com>> On Feb 23, 2013, at 10:15 AM, "jarheadpilot82" > wrote:>>> >>>>> Dave,>>>> Actually I am looking for a (cheap) crappy oven on Craigslist that >> maybe the burners on top are dead, so I can buy it and use it for >> powder coating. I am trying to avoid the "kitchen remodel to get an >> oven" deal.>>>> -------->> Semper Fi,>>>> Terry Hand>> Athens, GA>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mud daubers: A report
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Original Posted By: "TriScout"
You'd have to do some searching on the EAA website, but there was an excellentarticle about a year or two ago on building a simple manometer and how to useit for the purpose of verifying or calibrating an airspeed indicator.While I haven't taken an airspeed indicator apart, I have taken apart a lot ofvery finely calibrated and intricate inner working pressure gages and metrologystuff (dial indicators, co ax indicators, last word style indicators, pressuregages for leak down testers) and they aren't that complicated or difficultto work on.If you find with the manometer that the gage is bad, I wouldn't hesitate to takeit apart and see if some dust jammed up the works somehow. Might be as simpleas a little compressed air once the back is off.Good luck!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mud daubers: A report
You'd have to do some searching on the EAA website, but there was an excellentarticle about a year or two ago on building a simple manometer and how to useit for the purpose of verifying or calibrating an airspeed indicator.While I haven't taken an airspeed indicator apart, I have taken apart a lot ofvery finely calibrated and intricate inner working pressure gages and metrologystuff (dial indicators, co ax indicators, last word style indicators, pressuregages for leak down testers) and they aren't that complicated or difficultto work on.If you find with the manometer that the gage is bad, I wouldn't hesitate to takeit apart and see if some dust jammed up the works somehow. Might be as simpleas a little compressed air once the back is off.Good luck!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mud daubers: A report
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
I had a pet mud dauber when I was a kid. His name was Clyde...larryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I had a pet mud dauber when I was a kid. His name was Clyde...larryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Dan I hate to say it but you probably hosed your airspeed indicator when youput the vacuum on it. I got some water in the pitot of my old Cessna 140many years ago and tried sucking it out by mouth. I got the water out, butthe airspeed indicator was never the same. I tried to fix it but ended upbuying a new one. They are very sensitive and easily damaged. When youapplied suction you probably deformed the return spring. Now I never blowdirectly into the pitot tube, or apply suction at all.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Dan I hate to say it but you probably hosed your airspeed indicator when youput the vacuum on it. I got some water in the pitot of my old Cessna 140many years ago and tried sucking it out by mouth. I got the water out, butthe airspeed indicator was never the same. I tried to fix it but ended upbuying a new one. They are very sensitive and easily damaged. When youapplied suction you probably deformed the return spring. Now I never blowdirectly into the pitot tube, or apply suction at all.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A reportDan I hate to say it but you probably hosed your airspeed indicator when you putthe vacuum on it. I got some water in the pitot of my old Cessna 140 many yearsago and tried sucking it out by mouth. I got the water out, but the airspeedindicator was never the same. I tried to fix it but ended up buying a new one.They are very sensitive and easily damaged. When you applied suction you probablydeformed the return spring. Now I never blow directly into the pitot tube,or apply suction at all. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ----------------
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A reportDan I hate to say it but you probably hosed your airspeed indicator when you putthe vacuum on it. I got some water in the pitot of my old Cessna 140 many yearsago and tried sucking it out by mouth. I got the water out, but the airspeedindicator was never the same. I tried to fix it but ended up buying a new one.They are very sensitive and easily damaged. When you applied suction you probablydeformed the return spring. Now I never blow directly into the pitot tube,or apply suction at all. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ----------------
Re: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report
Original Posted By: Jack Phillips
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A reportThe very same thing happened to me with my Stinson. Mud Dauber in the pitot, removedit with welding rod and then asked my inexperienced aircraft partner toblow AT the pitot while I looked at the ASI (lessoned learned: be the persongently blowing air at your pitot, not the one watching the ASI). I watched withhorror and before I could say anything his mouth was covering the end of thepitot and he did his best Louis Armstrong impression. ASI went to the shop twice before we gave up on it and replaced it. Along with the new one we purchased a nice pitot cover. Scott Knowlton -----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A reportThe very same thing happened to me with my Stinson. Mud Dauber in the pitot, removedit with welding rod and then asked my inexperienced aircraft partner toblow AT the pitot while I looked at the ASI (lessoned learned: be the persongently blowing air at your pitot, not the one watching the ASI). I watched withhorror and before I could say anything his mouth was covering the end of thepitot and he did his best Louis Armstrong impression. ASI went to the shop twice before we gave up on it and replaced it. Along with the new one we purchased a nice pitot cover. Scott Knowlton -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
I have 3 sets of the full size rib drawings and all of them are 1/8' shorter thenthe 27 3/4' spar distance. I think this is a problem?? Are the Air Camper's ribs the same as the Sky Scouts? -Matt-Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report
I have 3 sets of the full size rib drawings and all of them are 1/8' shorter thenthe 27 3/4' spar distance. I think this is a problem?? Are the Air Camper's ribs the same as the Sky Scouts? -Matt-Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report
Original Posted By: Jack Phillips
That is actually good news Jack, because I am leaning toward just buying a new airspeed. Hopefully I'll just put in on and be done with the problem. And yea, my nice home-made pitot cover was "put away" in my storage container in the baggage compartment.......Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
That is actually good news Jack, because I am leaning toward just buying a new airspeed. Hopefully I'll just put in on and be done with the problem. And yea, my nice home-made pitot cover was "put away" in my storage container in the baggage compartment.......Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Once you get the new one in, have someone blow into the pitot while youwatch the instrument! ;-)Gary BootheNX308MBOK.just kidding!
Once you get the new one in, have someone blow into the pitot while youwatch the instrument! ;-)Gary BootheNX308MBOK.just kidding!
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Original Posted By: norm
Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A report
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A reportDuring a series of bounce and goes during my tailwheel training in a Champ, theairspeed suddenly dropped to zero. The instructor yelled "I have the plane" andshoved the stick forward while starting a go around. (it was not that frenzied)He took it around and brought it in just a little hot and let the airspeeddrop to land.When we stopped there was a mud dauber (or yellow jacket) stuck in the Pitot. MessageThe Mud Daubers are out to get us.be sure you Blow gently, when you check. You can damage the airspeed with yourbreath. Years ago, I had a grandson shoot a little air from the air hose into my pitotas he walked by, $180 airspeed overhaul later it was fixed. BTW what I have used to check lines like the Pitot and fuel lines is a piece ofWeed trimmer string. Stiff enough to knock out a dirt dauber nest, flexible enoughto follow the tube an soft enough not to scratch the pipe.Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mud daubers: A reportDuring a series of bounce and goes during my tailwheel training in a Champ, theairspeed suddenly dropped to zero. The instructor yelled "I have the plane" andshoved the stick forward while starting a go around. (it was not that frenzied)He took it around and brought it in just a little hot and let the airspeeddrop to land.When we stopped there was a mud dauber (or yellow jacket) stuck in the Pitot. MessageThe Mud Daubers are out to get us.be sure you Blow gently, when you check. You can damage the airspeed with yourbreath. Years ago, I had a grandson shoot a little air from the air hose into my pitotas he walked by, $180 airspeed overhaul later it was fixed. BTW what I have used to check lines like the Pitot and fuel lines is a piece ofWeed trimmer string. Stiff enough to knock out a dirt dauber nest, flexible enoughto follow the tube an soft enough not to scratch the pipe.Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Mud daubers: A report
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Couldn't stand it... I changed the subject line =3Bo) Terry=2C I'm with the others who suggested a drum or belt/disk sander. Should work quickly to get the ribs to final shape. I have the Harbor Freight belt/disk sander that someone else mentioned and it is truly a "Chinese Army knife"- I use it for lots of things. However=2C if the other poster was referring to the small adjustable metal angle that sits near the downstream end of the belt as the "guard"=2C I sure wouldn't remove it. If you're trying to sand a small piece of something and the belt grabs it=2C that metal angle keeps it from getting swept away or tossed across the room. I use that metal angle as a stop to hold the workpiece where I want it on the belt (the middle area tends to wear faster than the edges=2C and when I'm hogging material off in a hurry=2C I can bear down on the work with it held against that stop and the belt won't strip it away from me.)By the way=2C Air Camper ribs without undercamber are just wrong =3Bo)Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mud daubers: A report
Couldn't stand it... I changed the subject line =3Bo) Terry=2C I'm with the others who suggested a drum or belt/disk sander. Should work quickly to get the ribs to final shape. I have the Harbor Freight belt/disk sander that someone else mentioned and it is truly a "Chinese Army knife"- I use it for lots of things. However=2C if the other poster was referring to the small adjustable metal angle that sits near the downstream end of the belt as the "guard"=2C I sure wouldn't remove it. If you're trying to sand a small piece of something and the belt grabs it=2C that metal angle keeps it from getting swept away or tossed across the room. I use that metal angle as a stop to hold the workpiece where I want it on the belt (the middle area tends to wear faster than the edges=2C and when I'm hogging material off in a hurry=2C I can bear down on the work with it held against that stop and the belt won't strip it away from me.)By the way=2C Air Camper ribs without undercamber are just wrong =3Bo)Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mud daubers: A report