Original Posted By: jack(at)bedfordlandings.com
Todd=2C I started on the tail surfaces. Next=2C I did the wing ribs -- then started on the fulelage. Stopped the fuse to build the wings. Listen to Jack's advice -- I last worked on my project last October. Wife and I both had cancers removed and we bought a new house nearer to our kids. Am now in the process of selling the old house. The "project" is now in storage in a grandson's garage. Gotta get started back on it. Maybe this fall after the closing on our house. Chuck
RE: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start
Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start
Original Posted By: Toddster
Todd,Build the ribs first, then the tail feathers, then wings, then fuselage last.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Todd,Build the ribs first, then the tail feathers, then wings, then fuselage last.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start
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Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start
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Jack, a friend of mine here building a gn needs a prop for his a65 . I suggested. A cloud cars. Don t you have one and what kind of performance do you get out of it? Cheers, gardinerSent from my iPadOn Aug 16, 2013, at 3:51 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:> Todd,> > You've already gotten lot's of good advice. It doesn't really matter where you start. I did ribs first, then wings, then tail, then centersection, then fuselage, but it really doesn't matter. Just break it down into a bunch of small manageable projects. It's a whole lot easier to think about building a rib than the enormity of building a whole airplane.> > As Scott said, try to do something on it every day, just to keep your mind in it. If you stop working on it for a few days, that can easily turn into a few weeks or months and pretty soon you don't know what you were working on last and it becomes difficult to get back into it. I've got a brother who has had a Hatz biplane almost ready to cover for 27 years, because he "took a break" from it back in 1986 when his daughter was born. Now it looks like an enormous project to him.> > One thing to consider if you are getting your wood from one of the big companies like Aircraft Spruce or Wicks is that shipping is very expensive, so it might pay to order all your long pieces (spars and longerons, and big sheets of aircraft plywood) together if possible, to reduce the shipping costs. Tail pieces are easy to store, as are wing ribs. A completed wing can be hung from a wall or the ceiling. The fuselage is the most cumbersome of the main pieces of the airplane so if you have cramped building quarters, that might be the deciding factor as to where to start.> > As for doing the wings first because it seems to be the most time consuming task, what you will find is that building all the structure takes less than half the time to finish the airplane. Builders commonly are at the point in their project where they are "90% done and 90% to go". That happens about the point where all the structure is complete. Designing, fabricating and installing all the systems (fuel system, brakes, controls, electrical system if so equipped, instruments, etc.) takes a large amount of time, as does covering and painting.> > Just enjoy the process. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get it flying - there will be plenty of time for that. You may find, as several of us have, that without an airplane project to work on you feel a bit lost, after your Pietenpol is done and flying. I'm now building one of the Van's RV's (Ramp Vermin), but I find building a kit to be much less satisfying than building from scratch.> > Before Mike Cuy can say it, I'll advise that you buy at least the first two of the Tony Bingelis books (available from EAA), The Sportplane Builder and Sportplane Construction Techniques. There you will find many of your questions answered in generous detail. And attend the annual Pietenpol Fly-in in Brodhead, Wisconsin. There you will typically see a couple of dozen Pietenpols, and no two are alike.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
Jack, a friend of mine here building a gn needs a prop for his a65 . I suggested. A cloud cars. Don t you have one and what kind of performance do you get out of it? Cheers, gardinerSent from my iPadOn Aug 16, 2013, at 3:51 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:> Todd,> > You've already gotten lot's of good advice. It doesn't really matter where you start. I did ribs first, then wings, then tail, then centersection, then fuselage, but it really doesn't matter. Just break it down into a bunch of small manageable projects. It's a whole lot easier to think about building a rib than the enormity of building a whole airplane.> > As Scott said, try to do something on it every day, just to keep your mind in it. If you stop working on it for a few days, that can easily turn into a few weeks or months and pretty soon you don't know what you were working on last and it becomes difficult to get back into it. I've got a brother who has had a Hatz biplane almost ready to cover for 27 years, because he "took a break" from it back in 1986 when his daughter was born. Now it looks like an enormous project to him.> > One thing to consider if you are getting your wood from one of the big companies like Aircraft Spruce or Wicks is that shipping is very expensive, so it might pay to order all your long pieces (spars and longerons, and big sheets of aircraft plywood) together if possible, to reduce the shipping costs. Tail pieces are easy to store, as are wing ribs. A completed wing can be hung from a wall or the ceiling. The fuselage is the most cumbersome of the main pieces of the airplane so if you have cramped building quarters, that might be the deciding factor as to where to start.> > As for doing the wings first because it seems to be the most time consuming task, what you will find is that building all the structure takes less than half the time to finish the airplane. Builders commonly are at the point in their project where they are "90% done and 90% to go". That happens about the point where all the structure is complete. Designing, fabricating and installing all the systems (fuel system, brakes, controls, electrical system if so equipped, instruments, etc.) takes a large amount of time, as does covering and painting.> > Just enjoy the process. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get it flying - there will be plenty of time for that. You may find, as several of us have, that without an airplane project to work on you feel a bit lost, after your Pietenpol is done and flying. I'm now building one of the Van's RV's (Ramp Vermin), but I find building a kit to be much less satisfying than building from scratch.> > Before Mike Cuy can say it, I'll advise that you buy at least the first two of the Tony Bingelis books (available from EAA), The Sportplane Builder and Sportplane Construction Techniques. There you will find many of your questions answered in generous detail. And attend the annual Pietenpol Fly-in in Brodhead, Wisconsin. There you will typically see a couple of dozen Pietenpols, and no two are alike.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you start
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you startbuilding?
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: For those of you who finished where did you start
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> RE: Pietenpol-List: For those of you who finished where did you
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>>> Todd,>>> You've already gotten lot's of good advice. It doesn't really matter> where you start. I did ribs first, then wings, then tail, then> centersection, then fuselage, but it really doesn't matter. Just break it> down into a bunch of small manageable projects. It's a whole lot easier to> think about building a rib than the enormity of building a whole airplane.>>> As Scott said, try to do something on it every day, just to keep your mind> in it. If you stop working on it for a few days, that can easily turn into> a few weeks or months and pretty soon you don't know what you were working> on last and it becomes difficult to get back into it. I've got a brother> who has had a Hatz biplane almost ready to cover for 27 years, because he> "took a break" from it back in 1986 when his daughter was born. Now it> looks like an enormous project to him.>>> One thing to consider if you are getting your wood from one of the big> companies like Aircraft Spruce or Wicks is that shipping is very expensive,> so it might pay to order all your long pieces (spars and longerons, and big> sheets of aircraft plywood) together if possible, to reduce the shipping> costs. Tail pieces are easy to store, as are wing ribs. A completed wing> can be hung from a wall or the ceiling. The fuselage is the most> cumbersome of the main pieces of the airplane so if you have cramped> building quarters, that might be the deciding factor as to where to start.>>> As for doing the wings first because it seems to be the most time> consuming task, what you will find is that building all the structure takes> less than half the time to finish the airplane. Builders commonly are at> the point in their project where they are "90% done and 90% to go". That> happens about the point where all the structure is complete. Designing,> fabricating and installing all the systems (fuel system, brakes, controls,> electrical system if so equipped, instruments, etc.) takes a large amount> of time, as does covering and painting.>>> Just enjoy the process. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get it flying> - there will be plenty of time for that. You may find, as several of us> have, that without an airplane project to work on you feel a bit lost,> after your Pietenpol is done and flying. I'm now building one of the Van's> RV's (Ramp Vermin), but I find building a kit to be much less satisfying> than building from scratch.>>> Before Mike Cuy can say it, I'll advise that you buy at least the first> two of the Tony Bingelis books (available from EAA), *The Sportplane> Builder* and *Sportplane Construction Techniques*. There you will find> many of your questions answered in generous detail. And attend the annual> Pietenpol Fly-in in Brodhead, Wisconsin. There you will typically see a> couple of dozen Pietenpols, and no two are alike.>>> Jack Phillips>> NX899JP>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> Todd,>>> You've already gotten lot's of good advice. It doesn't really matter> where you start. I did ribs first, then wings, then tail, then> centersection, then fuselage, but it really doesn't matter. Just break it> down into a bunch of small manageable projects. It's a whole lot easier to> think about building a rib than the enormity of building a whole airplane.>>> As Scott said, try to do something on it every day, just to keep your mind> in it. If you stop working on it for a few days, that can easily turn into> a few weeks or months and pretty soon you don't know what you were working> on last and it becomes difficult to get back into it. I've got a brother> who has had a Hatz biplane almost ready to cover for 27 years, because he> "took a break" from it back in 1986 when his daughter was born. Now it> looks like an enormous project to him.>>> One thing to consider if you are getting your wood from one of the big> companies like Aircraft Spruce or Wicks is that shipping is very expensive,> so it might pay to order all your long pieces (spars and longerons, and big> sheets of aircraft plywood) together if possible, to reduce the shipping> costs. Tail pieces are easy to store, as are wing ribs. A completed wing> can be hung from a wall or the ceiling. The fuselage is the most> cumbersome of the main pieces of the airplane so if you have cramped> building quarters, that might be the deciding factor as to where to start.>>> As for doing the wings first because it seems to be the most time> consuming task, what you will find is that building all the structure takes> less than half the time to finish the airplane. Builders commonly are at> the point in their project where they are "90% done and 90% to go". That> happens about the point where all the structure is complete. Designing,> fabricating and installing all the systems (fuel system, brakes, controls,> electrical system if so equipped, instruments, etc.) takes a large amount> of time, as does covering and painting.>>> Just enjoy the process. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get it flying> - there will be plenty of time for that. You may find, as several of us> have, that without an airplane project to work on you feel a bit lost,> after your Pietenpol is done and flying. I'm now building one of the Van's> RV's (Ramp Vermin), but I find building a kit to be much less satisfying> than building from scratch.>>> Before Mike Cuy can say it, I'll advise that you buy at least the first> two of the Tony Bingelis books (available from EAA), *The Sportplane> Builder* and *Sportplane Construction Techniques*. There you will find> many of your questions answered in generous detail. And attend the annual> Pietenpol Fly-in in Brodhead, Wisconsin. There you will typically see a> couple of dozen Pietenpols, and no two are alike.>>> Jack Phillips>> NX899JP>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia>>> -----Original Message-----